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Apple Shares 'Pride' Video Featuring Preparation for San Francisco Pride Parade

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Feel free to call me homophobic (despite I fully support anti-discrimination laws as well as marriage and adoption rights for gay couples), but I don't think gay pride parades are really a solution to anything. Whenever I look at some of the more... Let's call them "daring"... floats go by I somehow get the feeling they're intentionally built to bring out anti gay-sentiment in people who have them, but are smart enough to keep them to themselves AND (more importantly) people who are still on the fence.

So to put it simply: I think gay pride parades are to the gay rights movement what PETA is to the animal rights movement.
 
swingerofbirch said:
When I was in middle/high school in the 90s we had a lot of Mac vs. PC debates. I was the only Mac guy and Mac became synonymous with being gay. We used to play hangman at lunch, and I remember one of the phrases was "Macs are gay." You could be called gay in a pejorative way for just about anything back then, but using a Mac was high up there.

It's amazing how much has changed in 20 years. I can't imagine a company 20 years ago actively supporting gay rights.
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Twenty years ago is when many companies like Apple started to actively support gay rights. Apple offered its employees domestic partner benefits in the 90s. I remember there was some controversy when some Texas citizens attempted to block an Apple plant being built near Austin because of Apple's pro-gay policies.

Disney started offering domestic partner benefits in 1995. They were one of the last Hollywood studios to do so. These benefits were part of the reason the Southern Baptists organized a not-very-successful boycott of Disney in 1997. They finally called it off in 2005.
 
DShap5 said:
I'm disgusted.

There. I gave my opinion and there is no need to quote me saying that I don't need to buy Apple products anymore and that I'm so stupid or simple-minded, etc.
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Wait...you're disgusted about what exactly?
 
dec. said:
Actually there are a lot of companies these days supporting equality, including the public enemies #1 and #2, google and Microsoft. Nevertheless I think it's nice that Apple are very outspoken about it.
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Add IBM to that list.

Most companies, I think, support equality. Few will express it like Apple does, though. It seems like a risky business move to me when there's still a lot of bigots in the world who will boycott you for such public support.
 
I'd love to have one of those "Apple pride" t-shirts, if only to find out if I get more abuse shouted at me by homophobes or PC enthusiasts ;)
 
yeah said:
Why are you against Christianity?

Don't like it? Awesome. Stop bashing it. :p
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It's theists who cry about their own personal prejudices in others, hide behind their old books and then cry even more if anyone suggests they lack any natural sense of morality because their own source of what they perceive morality to be in the first place is rooted in the incentive of reward and fear of punishment in a fictional afterlife they read about in the old book they're really touchy about.

I'm not gay but I see the whole point of pride. It's the opposite of shame.

Shame is what bigots want people who don't share their sexual orientation to feel for simply being who they are and they're the same people who would be crying about interracial couples, women voting etc.. in the past. It's transparently ignorant and utterly pathetic.
 
luckydcxx said:
that is illegal ... just so you are aware.
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that is not true. there is exception to laws. for example, strip club is allowed to discriminate based on sex and appearance. churches also can discriminate who they hire for pastor based on religious belief.

e.g. http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/foia/letters/2007/religious_organization_exception_dec_28_2007.html

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Millah said:
You can quote all the gibberish you want from a .gov website. But back here in reality, this sort of thing happens all the time in the USA. Just because the laws defined black people as "separate but equal" decades ago, doesn't mean that's how things played out in reality.

You can make snide remarks about him being Canadian, but it's actually sad that a Canadian is more aware of the reality of these issues than an American who thinks he knows the law.

Study law, and one thing you'll learn is that laws are complicated. It's not as simple as quoting a line of text from a govt site. It's much more complicated in reality, and rarely ever so cut and dry as you pretend it to be.
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in the same chapter if you keep reading, you will see that religious organizations are exempted...
 
Pride parades don't achieve anything positive.

It doesn't challenge anyone's prejudice or deal with the pertinent issues.

Sexuality is a non issue in the workplace and the law is very much on side.

Those with physical attributes that open them up to discrimination are far more vulnerable and often unable to defend against attack and reach their potential.

Disabled, disfigured, black, minority, native Americans etc have been persecuted, I don't see any high up in apple, I personally believe apple should rethink their approach to these before supporting a very organised group who have no reason to complain.
 
barkmonster said:
It's theists who cry about their own personal prejudices in others, hide behind their old books and then cry even more if anyone suggests they lack any natural sense of morality because their own source of what they perceive morality to be in the first place is rooted in the incentive of reward and fear of punishment in a fictional afterlife they read about in the old book they're really touchy about.

I'm not gay but I see the whole point of pride. It's the opposite of shame.

Shame is what bigots want people who don't share their sexual orientation to feel for simply being who they are and they're the same people who would be crying about interracial couples, women voting etc.. in the past. It's transparently ignorant and utterly pathetic.
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I don't want to start a religious conflict. I'm implying that if you don't like Christianity or you don't believe in anything religious, like yourself, fantastic!

I also know that we have the freedom of speech and religion, but please, don't go on here just to bash us Christians or any others theists. We are humans just like you.

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Surely this would be an ideal time to crack out the old logo?

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yeah said:
Don't like it? Awesome. Stop bashing it. :p
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Saying Jesus is a fictional character isn't bashing Christianity, it's just pointing something out about history.

None of the people who were alive in the time and place that Jesus supposedly lived, ever mentioned him. They just carried on writing about what was going on around them as if none of the miracles described in the Bible ever happened. This is despite them being totally obsessed with the Bible as it was then. Now I don't know about you, but if things started happening, such as the dead rising from their graves and walking around, I would probably consider that to be a notable occurrence.

You have to ask yourself what is more likely, the creator of the universe decided to appear on Earth and get himself tortured and killed to make a point... or some ancient scholars came up with a hero character to sell their ideas and oppose Roman rule, then added details to pad-out this story over the next few hundred years. Which after serious editing, resulted in the new testament story we know today.

You might find the fact that I've pointed this out annoying, but the rest of us have had to put up with watching children be brainwashed with this mythology for generations. I think it's only fair that we make the case for the purely 'natural' world, whenever a 'supernatural' one is shoved in our faces.
 
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