Apple Shares Two New iPad Pro Ads in Twitter-Based Campaign

To me, it's a combination of both. It's not everyday you find the perfect tool for your needs right out of the box and so to get what you need, so there invariably will be some compromise involved.

Case in point - I got my first iPad in 2012. After playing around with it for a while, I saw that it would offer some benefits over the windows tablet laptop my school issued me, but in order to use it effectively in the classroom, I would need to get used to the idiosyncrasies of iOS.

For me, what the iPad offered me then was an improved ability to work with PDFs (something my locked down laptop was ill-equipped to handle), an inbuilt camera for scanning and the mobility offered by AirPlay mirroring. It was also thinner and lighter than my work laptop, and felt less buggy to use.

And to master the iPad, I would have to learn to get files onto the iPad (which meant a long tedious process of converting my teaching material to PDF and uploading them to Dropbox), purchase new apps and resign myself to the fact that there were some tasks which are (were) just more inefficient on a tablet. Thankfully, I discovered a website known as "Macstories", and years of trial and error has followed thereafter, where I purchased one app after another, all to find that ever-elusive ideal workflow.

Over the years, Apple has steadily improved the capabilities of the iPad. The Apple TV gained peer to peer AirPlay (doing away with the need for a router), the iPad Pro added the Apple Pencil and split-screen, apps have improved in functionality while iOS gained better sharing features such as airdrop.

Meanwhile, extensive use of the iPad has made me far more comfortable interacting with iOS compared to macOS. Because all my files are on Dropbox, it has allowed me to work from anywhere (some colleagues even text me over the weekend for a document they forgot to copy from their school network). My workflow has more or less settled, and it has been a tiring (I have the battle scars and tons of horror stories to share) but fun journey.

So to me, the iPad is a tool like any other device. What you want to get out of it depends on how much effort you are willing to invest into making it work. For others, it's not worth it. For me, I can't imagine giving this up. Ever.

Cheers for this. It's makes a lot of sense. For me, I absolutely love my air 2 and iPad Pro. Which could I live without, the iPad Pro. Though in my case the air is that perfect device to research, consume content and serve the web. Perfect for all my light needs. As soon as I need to do something more, I jump on a computer. My MacBook and MacBook Pro retina are so much ...so much better at what they were designed for. I tried the pro, I bought the pencil and the keyboard .....it weighed / was more bulky than my MacBook....poor design in my book, while having a fraction of rhe functionality. So I own the MacBook as my ultra portable and the iPad Pro has been relegated to watching tv series in bed...it's even to ackward to use to serve the web etc, I use the air 2 for that, the perfect size.

We are all different though, my experience is my own, others will disagree greatly. I just find iOS way too limited for my needs. I'm in the process of building a hackintosh using my 12C 2697v2, cause I can make a real computer , and at the same time have fun watercooling it. This will run at about 3.3 on all 12 cores and by my go to device for anything work related, the iPad Pro is a toy for . Though that is just me. I know many posters here that just use it, awesome for them.
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You seem the example of the next generation, who wouldn't give up their iPad multitouch experience but would benefit from a richer MacOS, expandable true multiwindow/multiscreen environment.
You're being denied by Apple as long as it refuses to integrate that SW/HW into a new experience
But I might be wrong (if you're comfortably playing with your TouchBar..)

It's interesting, my generation...well the generation before mine , where given the basic tools and they made the magic happen, the hardware and software were not locked down. I kind of feel for the current generation as apple plays big brother.

Imagine if apple 1 and 2 were locked down like today's apple's products....sad :( anyway that is just another perspective how apple used to view its customers to how to views them now. I view it as a transition from a computer company to a consumer company that will end up in content creation/services. Fashion they failed
 
Cheers for this. It's makes a lot of sense. For me, I absolutely love my air 2 and iPad Pro. Which could I live without, the iPad Pro. Though in my case the air is that perfect device to research, consume content and serve the web. Perfect for all my light needs. As soon as I need to do something more, I jump on a computer. My MacBook and MacBook Pro retina are so much ...so much better at what they were designed for. I tried the pro, I bought the pencil and the keyboard .....it weighed / was more bulky than my MacBook....poor design in my book, while having a fraction of rhe functionality. So I own the MacBook as my ultra portable and the iPad Pro has been relegated to watching tv series in bed...it's even to ackward to use to serve the web etc, I use the air 2 for that, the perfect size.

I completely agree.... the iPad is great for consuming media, light work and replacing the laptop at lectures. With a few dongles you can connect it to most projectors. For me, it couldn't replace a real computer if I had to choose one of the two.
 
I completely agree.... the iPad is great for consuming media, light work and replacing the laptop at lectures. With a few dongles you can connect it to most projectors. For me, it couldn't replace a real computer if I had to choose one of the two.
It couldn't replace a real computer for me either. But my 90 year old it's a perfect laptop replacement as her needs are:
- checking facebook
- responding to emails
- watching netflix
- facetime with her grandchildren
- imessage with her family
- plus other tasks the ipad is well equipped to handle.
 
I still don't think it can replace a laptop for anyone using it for more than some content consumption and very basic email / note taking.

Definitely a less effective device for school (in the context of writing essays etc).
The iPad Pro is a tool. A laptop is a tool. Nobody is telling anybody to only use one tool. At the same time, dismissing the iPad Pro simply because you don't have a usage scenario for it is not wise.
Typing up an essay sure is "better" with a hardware full-sized keyboard. Doesn't mean the iPad Pro cannot be used for other things.
 
As I've said, it can for those that only do certain tasks such as word processing, email search the web, photos, watch Netflix and play the odd game, there are people who do just tho things with a laptop, so for those types of people yes it can totally replace a laptop.
Really? "An iPad can replace a laptop. But only for the people that use it to email, internet and word processing. For all the rest of you, it can't." Do you really believe this nonsense? iPad is nowhere near replacing a laptop. Maybe someday, but not anytime soon.
 
Imagine if apple 1 and 2 were locked down like today's apple's products....sad :( anyway that is just another perspective how apple used to view its customers to how to views them now. I view it as a transition from a computer company to a consumer company that will end up in content creation/services. Fashion they failed
Agree, while "lockdown" is one but not my greatest objection on the modern Apple (it always carried that aspect in it some way...)
I'm more annoyed by my sons' and nephews' gruntling about the lack of a multi-touch MacBook, hopping over to Wintel/SurfacePro soon. I get in agony with Cook/Schiller in denial mode (their abysmal defensive arguments against anything multi-touch in their CPU line), the delusive creation of a pseudo solution (TouchBar) and now the class-B/grumpy Pro customer category, to get people pay MacBook level prices for a tablet.
It's all about concealing and further exploiting their own inertia and shortcomings.
 
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Really? "An iPad can replace a laptop. But only for the people that use it to email, internet and word processing. For all the rest of you, it can't." Do you really believe this nonsense? iPad is nowhere near replacing a laptop. Maybe someday, but not anytime soon.

Yes because it's true, my dad use to have a laptop (and Acer) he only used it for email, keeping Touch with friends and family on Facebook, photos, email, surfing the web and general things like that. He now does exactly the same thing with my old iPad 3. My mum also uses my old iPad Air 2, and she use to share the laptop with my dad. So for people like that yes iPads have replaced laptops. Personally I do more on my iPad Pro than I use to, but I do still like to have a Mac, the iPad Pro can easily handle word processing (for example).
 
Agree, while "lockdown" is one but not my greatest objection on the modern Apple (it always carried that aspect in it some way...)
I'm more annoyed by my sons' and nephews' gruntling about the lack of a multi-touch MacBook, hopping over to Wintel/SurfacePro soon. I get in agony with Cook/Schiller in denial mode (their abysmal defensive arguments against anything multi-touch in their CPU line), the delusive creation of a pseudo solution (TouchBar) and now the class-B/grumpy Pro customer category, to get people pay MacBook level prices for a tablet.
It's all about concealing and further exploiting their own inertia and shortcomings.

Valid point , it was always locked down, though Now days is getting silly. It's profits over use ability / accessibility :( at one stage apple were at the forefront .
 
It couldn't replace a real computer for me either. But my 90 year old it's a perfect laptop replacement as her needs are:
- checking facebook
- responding to emails
- watching netflix
- facetime with her grandchildren
- imessage with her family
- plus other tasks the ipad is well equipped to handle.

I'll agree that it handles what most casual users needs in a PC. The difference between today and 3-4 years ago is that there are now other products on the market that can make the same claim, and for the price of an iPad Pro that would include combination laptop/pad products that can do more and store more in formats that are easily transportable than the IPad can.
 
I'll agree that it handles what most casual users needs in a PC. The difference between today and 3-4 years ago is that there are now other products on the market that can make the same claim, and for the price of an iPad Pro that would include combination laptop/pad products that can do more and store more in formats that are easily transportable than the IPad can.
That's true, but the overarching function is FaceTime, our entire family is iPhone and scattered and aunt loves to get in FaceTime with the family.
 
Welcome to the illiterate tech herd that this "almost computer" makes feel Pro.
Selfiestick is fragile and expensive, so that must be Pro.
Similar budget as a laptop. So really Pro.
Because Tim says so.

I don't understand how your statement is relative to my original comment, but since you brought it up, the iPad pro is indeed a device for professionals. If you can't figure out a professional task that you could do on it this would be your problem.

Personally, I've made several paintings on an iPad Air (first generation) that were sold for at least $10,000 combined. And I can't wait to get an iPad pro to make my work easier.
 
That's true, but the overarching function is FaceTime, our entire family is iPhone and scattered and aunt loves to get in FaceTime with the family.

The biggest problem I have with FaceTime is that it apparently requires an Apple product to use it. All of the family members who have non Apple systems complain of being left out of video calls and want everyone to use Skype when trying to video call them, and that's 60% of the family. FaceTime (mostly) works well, but because it's proprietary it's not a universal option. My Android using family members point out that Skype is.
 
Couple things. First, many people have pointed out that the in the good ol' days, many people used a cassette recorder to capture lectures, and boy wasn't I naive to not know it. Of course I realize that (after all, I was a student for a long long time). There were a couple grad courses that I myself recorded (with a 3rd generation iPod with mic attachment). The recordings were made when I asked the professor, who in turn asked the room if anyone minded. They did not. The recorder sat on the table in front of the instructor. Everyone saw it, any time it was in use. And those files were a shared class resource for everyone, with the blessing of the instructor.

Now, a key difference between the old tape recorder era and the modern digital recording era is that I could very easily make those recordings available widespread and wholesale all over the Internet. That would include more sensitive class meetings like a post-exam review. There was always a way to share recordings, but the scale and scope was much different in the cassette days. That's worth acknowledging.

But the other, bigger issue for me is that pedagogical methods have shifted, particularly in higher education (long the domain of the "sage on the stage" lecture-heavy all-knowing professor). That's considered a pretty outdated model these days. Classrooms these days are supposed to be student-focused, rather than instructor-focused, so the recordings would not be capturing what they would have in the olden days. Having captured a recitation of facts on tape wouldn't do too much good on my assessments, because recall of trivial detail is about the least important thing to me — I'm more interested in assessing your ability to apply that knowledge in a context you've never seen before (and I'll probably give you those trivial facts and equations so you don't have to try memorizing them — I want to see if you known when and how to use them). It's a more authentic experience to "the real world."

If I were just gathering students together to rattle off a series of trivial facts and equations, distilled and condensed down from their textbook, then I could see all sorts of benefits to recordings (and I'd probably provide them myself). But that's not how I generally operate in the classroom. There are all sorts of better ways to deliver the trivial detail outside of the classroom. When we get together as a group, it should be to do something that takes advantage of the fact that we're all in the same room together. So classroom time for me is more used for applying the knowledge in problem-solving activities or lab experiences that students work on together in small groups as I facilitate. Frankly an audio recording of that wouldn't get you very far.

And finally, the classes where recording makes the most sense, as I suggested above, are courses in which facts and details are just rattled off in lecture. What about those courses that don't lend themselves to that format? I kind of straddle a few different disciplines, and one of the courses I teach is about educational methods. The course is very discussion-oriented and covers sensitive topics (bullying, racism, sexism, LGBT issues, disabilities, etc.). For that class to work as it should, I really have to build up a rapport with and among students, so that they feel as though they can just speak the unvarnished truth that's on their minds, and we will respectfully hear their point of view and discuss it. Some of the students share very private and personal experiences and opinions that are germane to the topic at hand, and it's really what makes the course so useful and so powerful to others in the class. These are generally senior-level students who are beginning to talk to one another as professional peers rather than just fellow students in a class. If someone were recording all that? Wow, what a breech of trust, and what a chilling effect it would have on the important discussions that happen in that classroom. And just so there's not misunderstanding — I really am not concerned about someone secretly recording what I have to say. But I do worry about my students being recorded, unknowingly, as they share things about their teaching experiences or things that they went through as a student. Some of it is mundane, but when someone starts talking about being called a particular racist slur, or instances where teacher acted inappropriately toward them, or about physical or sexual violence at home, or coming out, or countless other things, can you imagine the chilling effect and betrayed feeling someone would have about being recorded without knowledge?

But those kind of classroom experiences are the real power of a good college classroom. It's what you don't get just sitting around watching YouTube or listening to recorded lectures on iTunes U or wherever. As far as I'm concerned, a teacher is not ready to be sent out into the world until they've really had and heard those kinds of conversations. So it's important the the discussions happen, but it's just as important that they don't become the seed of embarrassment, harassment or worse.

So, that's where my problem lies. If a student records me unknowingly, I'm not worried that something bad is going to happen to me. I am conscientious about what I say to other people and really have nothing to hide. I'm tenured and secure in my career. I've also had years to unpack and process my own hang-ups and be comfortable in my own skin, so it's not a source of anxiety for me. But I don't assume that to be true for my students.

I have had students make recordings of class (either as part of an ADA accommodation or just by their request), but it's always been something that is known to the entire class. If something comes up that I feel just should not be recorded, I give instruction that the recording must be shut off (but nobody else in the room cannot take written notes during that time, to keep the field fair). But it is a betrayal of trust to not give every single person in the class forewarning that what they're saying is being recorded.

So anyway, tl;dr. Recordings make a lot of sense for certain kinds of classrooms (especially classrooms of yesterday), but a lot of well-designed learning experiences don't lend themselves well to recording, and some just absolutely shouldn't be recorded. We are becoming too accustomed to giving up too much of our privacy and personal agency already.

You make several excellent points. It was a pleasure to read. I agree completely that recording a class session doesn't work well in some, and maybe even most situations, especially today. As you described, it would be down right inappropriate under some circumstances. Any type of lecture or class interaction that deals with personal feelings or confidential details about students' lives is a noted exception. There is a significant difference between the type of lectures and student interactions one can expect from a business school than from a psychology school, for example. Recording a professor outlining the Ricordian economic model to listen to again later is very different from a group discussion centered on childhood abuse and how such experience affects a therapists approach to treating a client. Trust, as you said, is a critical component in the latter and recording it would violate that trust.

The classroom has changed, indeed. I would agree. Some of the most memorable and insightful learning moments that I recall involved mostly a lively class discussions and the sharing of ideas. Learning about a subject is very different from memorizing things about it. Privacy is another conversation all together. We are giving it up freely based on inaccurate perception of risk. Today's policies do not reflect real risk. They reflect heavily distorted perception of risk.
 
The biggest problem I have with FaceTime is that it apparently requires an Apple product to use it. All of the family members who have non Apple systems complain of being left out of video calls and want everyone to use Skype when trying to video call them, and that's 60% of the family. FaceTime (mostly) works well, but because it's proprietary it's not a universal option. My Android using family members point out that Skype is.
My aunt facetimes with the family she wants to. Skype isn't universal either, but we get along well with FaceTime.
 
That's different from being a third party app, which my aunt doesn't have to install, due to FaceTime working as well as it does.

What if the other guy doesn't have an iPhone? I can ask an iOS user to install Skype but I can't ask an Android user to get FaceTime
 
What if the other guy doesn't have an iPhone? I can ask an iOS user to install Skype but I can't ask an Android user to get FaceTime
If the other person doesn't have an iPhone, SMS or phone call. Work related conference calls all have appropriate software.
 
Yes because it's true, my dad use to have a laptop (and Acer) he only used it for email, keeping Touch with friends and family on Facebook, photos, email, surfing the web and general things like that. He now does exactly the same thing with my old iPad 3. My mum also uses my old iPad Air 2, and she use to share the laptop with my dad. So for people like that yes iPads have replaced laptops. Personally I do more on my iPad Pro than I use to, but I do still like to have a Mac, the iPad Pro can easily handle word processing (for example).
Yes because it's true, my dad use to have a laptop (and Acer) he only used it for email, keeping Touch with friends and family on Facebook, photos, email, surfing the web and general things like that. He now does exactly the same thing with my old iPad 3. My mum also uses my old iPad Air 2, and she use to share the laptop with my dad. So for people like that yes iPads have replaced laptops. Personally I do more on my iPad Pro than I use to, but I do still like to have a Mac, the iPad Pro can easily handle word processing (for example).
Thats great, but it sounds like your parents didnt need a laptop in the first place. Maybe an iPad helped accomplish their specific tasks, but an iPad can't do half of what a laptop can do. If you dont use a laptop to its full potential, then dont get one. But saying an iPad can replace your mom and dads laptop, but not everyone elses is obsurd. The iPad is not a laptop replacement and you are delusional if you believe it does.
 
Thats great, but it sounds like your parents didnt need a laptop in the first place. Maybe an iPad helped accomplish their specific tasks, but an iPad can't do half of what a laptop can do. If you dont use a laptop to its full potential, then dont get one. But saying an iPad can replace your mom and dads laptop, but not everyone elses is obsurd. The iPad is not a laptop replacement and you are delusional if you believe it does.

But a lot of people do buy laptops for that reason, not everyone does video editing or photo editing or even gaming. I'm not saying that the iPad Pro can replace a laptop for people who need power or for the serious editor or gamer, but for people who just do the things I've mentioned it can. But if you don't believe that there are such people then we are wasting each other's time on this.
 
When I returned to school recently I used the iPad with a bluetooth keyboard to take notes in class. I used Pages. Its simple fast. I can type much quicker than I can write. I noticed that I would be done typing what the prof had said while the other students were still scratching away. I could quickly format things if I wanted to, and I could quickly take a photo of an image the professor had drawn or projected onto a board. I would sometimes add a box to the side of the main content to add additional relevant text (like a related case study). I really do wish that Pages had built in audio recording. OneNote has audio recording, but I have not seen a way to type and record at the same time.

Okay, you really wanna tell us, typing and formatting things on an iPad with a BT-keyboard ist faster than using a 'real' laptop? Typing may be fine, but formatting text on an iPad is just plain horrible. I would prefer my MBA or any other ultrabook before that clumsy iPad-combo. Using that nice glass touchpad is so much more enjoyable than gorilla-arm-formatting stuff.

That's why I don't get all this "Laptop replacement" ads from Apple.
 
There are plenty of apps - but is your company ok with using apps that potentially do the OCR or other image enhancement on servers outside of the company, transferring all the scans over the internet?

probably not no.
Just seems a pain.
I walk to the scanner, press a button and get scans and copies
Using an iPad would be such a clunky way of doing what our company scanner does so easy in moments
 
All I ever used in school was pen & paper. Kids these days have it good.


I still pen and paper it. the IPP pulls down my books from safari online and such, the moleskine and pilot pen close by to take notes still though. I have been drawn to the ebooks world since in time I realized my every couple years purging of books on now old and deprecated material was becoming a pita.

But I am an honorary member of the society for anachronism, and a stationary geek. I have tried several note applications, none give that feeling good pen to good paper gives. Notability since mentioned for voice has some nice e-paper choices. even has some with a pseudo fibrous appearance paper would have. Just not the same.
 
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