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Apple Shipped an Estimated 4.5 Million iPhone XR Devices in North America in Q1 2019
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If you choose to believe the numbers, the iPhone's negative annual growth in NA is very telling, imo.
But, I always considered the use of market share as a metric was pointless to the user. I think that Apple products had much better HW and SW quality when Apple's products hardly had any market share.
I still listen to the music that I listened to when I was in high school. Why is that strange?
But, I always considered the use of market share as a metric was pointless to the user. I think that Apple products had much better HW and SW quality when Apple's products hardly had any market share.
I still listen to the music that I listened to when I was in high school. Why is that strange?
‘Slice’ is another analyst company that reports figures that they project, which usually has been off every year since Apple stopped reporting their numbers recently. Wouldn’t take this report anymore seriously than any other mudslinging analyst that tries to under-project iPhone sales.
About as reliable as any other nonsense guess report.
All I care about is official data. Apple needs to improve in China and we saw a bit of that last quarter.
Next.
All I care about is official data. Apple needs to improve in China and we saw a bit of that last quarter.
Next.
And, like for everyone, it's still the best music around. No matter if you were born in 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's
Is anyone stupid enough to pay for these reports? Or worse, stupid enough to actually invest money based on them?
I hear ya. Though I think they should stick with only two models. The high end models only serve to maintain the profit margin as the smartphone market cools.
They gave the numbers for market leaders. Do you want the numbers for all 1000 available smartphone models? They probably have them but you'd have to pay them.
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Apparently, the answer is "yes". Otherwise these companies would go bankrupt. Do you prefer investing without any research?
The dollars follow iOS. I don’t think it’s concerning as Apple wants to sell less phones and make up the revenue with subscriptions.
But that’s my opinion only. YMMV.
They're all fairly successful companies so I'g guess there are people who use these types of reports... in addition to a lot of other information. Evaluated as a stand alone data point, sure, the reports look dumb. Evaluated as a part of an information system? Who knows. Also remember, we're only privy to marketing material outside of the paywall.
Either way these types of reports serve two different audiences. Forum fodder for us and teasers for investors. They work fantastically as forum fodder. I can't judge their efficacy as teasers for investors.
If you used IDC numbers as a data point your investment could have lost money. So research is valuable, but you have to be careful with guesstimates.
I don't recall asking for sales numbers for 1,000 phones. Only the latest iPhone and Samsung models.
They probably have them? When nobody is actually reporting them? So they're guessing. I can guess too, and don't need to pay some analyst money to get information that's very likely no more accurate.
Logical fallacy - causation vs correlation. Just because these companies are successful has no bearing on whether these particular reports are accurate.
The most recent estimates for iPhone sales from the top "analysts" were 36.4 million from IDC, 40.2 million from Canalys and 43.8 million from IHS. That's quite the discrepancy from so-called "experts". Hell, I could take Apple ASP and divide that into their revenue (which Apple still reports) and come up with a figure that's just as accurate as any of these.
Then we have one of the most famous reports (from IDC) that predicted (based on their own data, BTW) that Windows Phone would overtake iOS and become the 2nd most popular OS behind Android. I wonder how many people bet their money on THAT advice.
Like I mentioned earlier, I think that Apple's quality in HW and SW was much better when Apple's market share was tiny.
But, you bring up a good point about developers' investment in devices with smaller market share. It could be a turd of a platform, but if that is what everyone is using, developers will invest in it (Windows from the 90's and 2000's comes to mind).
Yeah, some other stuff, I graduated in the 90's, and listen mostly 70's-2000's. Pretty much anything in the last decade, and most stuff that lacks real musical instruments.
You are probably correct about this.
Although, I read this study about tracking trends in popular music, and it scientifically proves that music in the last two decades is getting worse....
Basically saying that the music today is getting louder, using less pitch and cords, and becoming less unique.
And of course there is this:
Yeah, not going to happen. Eric Schmidt predicted that back in Dec 2011 and it STILL hasn't come true. The idea that developers go for market share is a myth. They go where the money is. And 1 billion iOS devices are far more valuable than umpteen billions of $50 Android devices where owners never spend money. This is why the average iOS user generates 4X the revenue in The App Store as the average Android user does for Google Play.
Samsung is winning? Is that why Apples iPhone revenues were $31 billion and Samsung's ENTIRE mobile division (smartphones, feature phones, tablets and other mobile devices) only hit $23 billion? Or why Samsung operating profit was down a whopping 60% last quarter? Is that what you call "winning"?
Is it my logical fallacy or your misinterpreting what I wrote? I'm gonna go with misinterpretation because I said nothing about the accuracy of the reports.
You asked if anyone was stupid enough to pay for the reports. I said since they're fairly successful companies, someone one must be buying and using the reports. I neither said nor implied anything about the reports being accurate. I have no idea how you reached that conclusion from what I wrote.
This is intentional though. Apple put their stake in the ground with the iPhone X and now they own the upper end. Essentially the same with Macs. It might seem to backfire with negativity toward a $1000 iPhone, but the XR experiment seems to be working.
How arrogant to assume you're the only person I was talking to - especially since I quoted two similar responses (one of which was yours).
Nonetheless, your comment is still a causation vs correlation fallacy. These companies have numerous sources of revenue and services they provide. You can't claim their success is a result of some people buying/using these reports. Unless you have some internal numbers that discloses all their sources of revenue so you can attribute their success to these reports.
You seem to believe that a company can provide inaccurate reports and be successful. Logical fallacy is all yours. You are also confusing reports about the actual sales with projections. In any case, you have nothing to refute these reports, you just don't like them. Well, sucks for you.
Arrogant? If you were talking to someone else about accuracy, you should have directed the comment to them, and not me. I only responded to your response to me. You simply misinterpreted what you read. I said nothing about accuracy. No big deal.
I guessed they were successful and the sales of their reports had something to do with it. Which is exactly what I said, and exactly what you quoted. I don't need inside information to make a guess.
Indeed. If consumers only really knew how much the XR actually offers in comparison to the XS, they’re almost identical aside from 3D Touch, the telephoto lens and OLED panel. What consumers are really choosing when they purchased the XR, is the color, storage and they see the price point along with the same form factor as the XS. The XR long-term, will be in way more successful than the XS ever will be alone just because of the price point.