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Apple Sneaks Up on Motorola in Mobile Phone Sales, Android Surges Past iOS

LagunaSol said:
I don't own an Android phone so I may be speaking errant hearsay, but in a previous thread someone asked how to sync contacts and calendars from an Android phone to a Mac and vice-versa. The reply was it's easy, just sync through Google services. :eek:

Please correct me if this is not accurate.



Yikes. Good luck with the "don't abuse it" part. How some people don't have a wary eye turned in Google's direction is baffling to me. Talk about Big Brother materialized. What they're trying to accomplish (the primary gatekeeper for the world's information) makes anything Microsoft or Apple have done look like child's play. I used to love Google. Now, with no real competition standing in their way, they're starting to terrify me.

Apple sells me gadgets. I can always walk away from a gadget. Good luck walking away from Google five years from now.



Fundamentally not really. Mobile advertising for Apple is a side salad. With Google it's the appetizer, the main course, and the dessert.



Not a mystery at all. But it should be cause for alarm.



Different strokes for different folks. Google certainly has convinced the world that they're the good guy in this particular war.
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Compared to Apple, yes Google is the good guy they offer much more to the end user for less than Apple ever will.

If you think that you can still adequately protect your own personal info. on your own level in this day and age then you are more clueless and naive than your previous posts would suggest.

heck, there was even an analytics firm ripping off Apple's data that Apple didn't even know about for months!!!

Also nice to see that Apple is so consumer friendly that it will allow iAd only...nothin for Admob....

I suppose you think thats good too.
 
Right, Google wants Web apps, and that's what all those Android users will be herded toward. And before anyone asks who cares, just remember how people loudly complained when that was Apple's first suggestion for apps before they brought out the App store.

Android is a dead-end.
 
LagunaSol said:
A Verizon iPhone = Android gets left in the dust.



http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ne_owners_waiting_for_verizon_to_upgrade.html
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funny but in the UK, the iphone is now available on all 5 networks...

guess what's growing quicker than iOS over here... give you a clue...

begins with A....

A Verizon iPhone would undoubtedly spike the iOS figures we probably all agree on that.

..but it would be temporary.

the problem Apple has (for all the trumpeting or fanfare on sales figures) is that 80% of iPhone 4's are being sold to exisiting users/upgraders. the new take up is slow.


Apple has to either make the TCO lower or make the TCO have some value by making a better product.

When you can get Android devices with a TCO of 20% of iPhone 4 over the length of an 18 month contract then you can't win with the higher priced offering.

It isn't really any better...especially as a phone.
 
NebulaClash said:
Right, Google wants Web apps, and that's what all those Android users will be herded toward. And before anyone asks who cares, just remember how people loudly complained when that was Apple's first suggestion for apps before they brought out the App store.

Android is a dead-end.
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Most of the App store apps ARE glorified web apps..

iOS is a deader end...
 
At lest you admit Android is a dead end.

But for you to equate it to iOS tells me you aren't paying attention.
 
archipellago said:
I think you have me wrong there..

I don't equate it to iOS, I believe it to be far superior and much more useful.
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Quibbling over semantics, while missing the point. Typical Web argument we are having :)

Android users, but maybe not you, have little idea what is going to happen to their platform. It's going to be another Plays For Sure debacle.
 
NebulaClash said:
Quibbling over semantics, while missing the point. Typical Web argument we are having :)

Android users, but maybe not you, have little idea what is going to happen to their platform. It's going to be another Plays For Sure debacle.
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Do you have anything confirmed to show that HTML5 apps designed for a ChromeOS tablet/netbook would not run on an Android tablet/phone?

I thought one the big advantages of HTML5 was its ability to be standardised and cross platform without the need for non-standard, closed web plugins (EG: iOS, Android, ChromeOS, Safari, Firefox if they can all come to agreements on some standards).

Am I wrong?
 
No, you are not wrong. HTML 5 apps should work on any phone. That's one of their advantages, they're cross-platform.

But all those Android developers are heading down a blind alley.
 
NebulaClash said:
Android users, but maybe not you, have little idea what is going to happen to their platform. It's going to be another Plays For Sure debacle.
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NebulaClash said:
But all those Android developers are heading down a blind alley.
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You have me confused, what is it then? Android users or developers that are going to be screwed?

If all the HTML5 apps are compatible with my handsets/tablets in what way am I affected?
 
ChazUK said:
You have me confused, what is it then? Android users or developers that are going to be screwed?

If all the HTML5 apps are compatible with my handsets/tablets in what way am I affected?
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Google is going to move away from Android. Those apps will work on existing phones, but the app store will move on to other technology and the apps will no longer be supported. Time for new apps for users (and sorry, Web only), and time for devs to learn new skills. It's going to be disruptive.

I don't think most folks know this is coming.
 
NebulaClash said:
Speaking of pesky facts, I keep repeating that Android is dead-end technology that Google themselves say is only a short term solution. Chrome and HTML 5 is Google's future. Enjoy those Android apps. You'll be replacing them soon while Apple's apps will just slide from device to device.

Google is about to pull a Microsoft on their fans, and if anything this Oracle lawsuit might force them to speed up the abandonment of Android.

So funny to see Android fans here think of Apple as the controlling type of company...
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Did you actually read the article or just the first paragraph? Essentially Google believes most of the app experience can be delivered over the web. As bandwidth increases, and as more things move to the cloud, this is the next logical step. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple moves this way as well. Why should I have to use storage on my device for an application that can easily be delivered over the web? Outside of complex 3D games, most of the apps I see are stripped down iPhone versions of a website. As to the lawsuit, that will be a tricky one with open source technology. I wouldn't be surprised to see Oracle back down over the next couple years in litigation.

Why did people have to re-buy an iPad version of some of there apps for the iPhone?

Reading this whole thread all I see is a bunch of sad commentary about people trying to feel better about their purchase. It's just a damn phone at the end of the day. People should be loyal to people and ideals, not profit driven companies and brands. Perhaps we should all spend a little less time fighting about things that don't matter, and working on ourselves.
 
NebulaClash said:
Google is going to move away from Android. Those apps will work on existing phones, but the app store will move on to other technology and the apps will no longer be supported. Time for new apps for users (and sorry, Web only), and time for devs to learn new skills. It's going to be disruptive.

I don't think most folks know this is coming.
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You do know that the Android market isn't the only source for applications?
Andappstore, SlideMe and Curvefish all sell/distribute Android applications and various developers sell applications direct via their website (Gameloft being one).

The only platforms that such an instance you mention above would be cataclysmic is those platforms that have a single source for applications (such as iOS).
 
Lesser Evets said:
Same here. If anyone I know is using an android they are hiding it. Almost everyone uses RIM and a smaller percentage use Apple, that I know.
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It's because iPhone rocks. :cool:
Do a survey on what phone would you like. The answer is always iPhone. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says "Hmm, I think I want a droid".
THE PROBLEM: Is that many people can't have iPhone. It carries a high price tag and a contract with AT&T.
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Now Droid, lol... (that's the new name! From now on, it's "Droid Lol") anyone can get a droid and it's not like something you just whip out and say "lookie what I got! Betcha wish you had one! :p" Nope. The world wants iPhone. You can compare Android to Hannah Montana or whatever. 10 million CDs sold, but you never see anyone bumping it. The truth is, it strait up sucks but it sells because they advertise the crap out of it and if you don't buy it now, they'll sell it at Walmart on clearance for $5 with a free 2-liter bottle of coke.
 
Okay, let's be fair...

I'm not gonna say that Google is the biggest spammer to hit the internet and that's the main reason that Droid is selling so well because you know it, I know it, the whole world knows it... I refuse to say it.
 
archipellago said:
the problem Apple has (for all the trumpeting or fanfare on sales figures) is that 80% of iPhone 4's are being sold to exisiting users/upgraders. the new take up is slow.
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1) Any hardware manufacture would love to have ~80% of it's customers upgrade to the latest model.

2) You have you remember in America almost all phones are sold subsidized. So new up take isn't going to be any better for an android phone vs an iphone. Each costs roughly $200 and carry a $15/25 (AT&T) $30 (Verizon, soon to be 15/25 most likely) a month data plan.
2a)So the only reason android is outselling iOS is because android is coming on every single new device.
 
ChazUK said:
I've got a feeling that Google have long term plans with Android. Especially with predictions like this. :p

Only time will tell who is right.
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They will make money off Android users as long as they can, but they have already said they are going to move beyond Android. Your article does not contradict. When talking about financials, you always talk about what you've got right now.

I agree with you that time will tell.
 
Ryeno said:
1) Any hardware manufacture would love to have ~80% of it's customers upgrade to the latest model.

2) You have you remember in America almost all phones are sold subsidized. So new up take isn't going to be any better for an android phone vs an iphone. Each costs roughly $200 and carry a $15/25 (AT&T) $30 (Verizon, soon to be 15/25 most likely) a month data plan.
2a)So the only reason android is outselling iOS is because android is coming on every single new device.
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But what happens when iPhone leaves AT&T and is now on all carriers. AT&T is going to have no reason to give early upgrades and rather just let people stay on contract and force people to wait out the normal 18-20 months upgrade cycle.

Most people I know tend to hold hold on to the phone for the normal 18-20 months any how. It is only the iPhone fanboys and girls who upgrade every year.
 
Yes, it's clear that the U.S. and European markets for cell phones are different. In the U.S. there isn't a price advantage to Android over iPhone, but it sounds as if there is a difference in the UK. You know where you see it in the U.S.? Blackberry usage among tens. No way they should be popular among teens, but they are practically given away and have cheap texting plans, and thus teens buy them.

Cheap always finds some buyers regardless of features.
 
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