Apple Sneaks Up on Motorola in Mobile Phone Sales, Android Surges Past iOS

[LagunaSol]

Are you sure about the data thing Laguna? You can use Android without giving Google a single bit of data.

In Android, I can choose not to use Google's services - no Gmail, no Calendar, no Voice. I can change my default search engine to Bing or whatever.

I don't own an Android phone so I may be speaking errant hearsay, but in a previous thread someone asked how to sync contacts and calendars from an Android phone to a Mac and vice-versa. The reply was it's easy, just sync through Google services.

Please correct me if this is not accurate.

However, as long as Google is transparent about how they use my data, and don't abuse it - I am perfectly fine with that.

Yikes. Good luck with the "don't abuse it" part. How some people don't have a wary eye turned in Google's direction is baffling to me. Talk about Big Brother materialized. What they're trying to accomplish (the primary gatekeeper for the world's information) makes anything Microsoft or Apple have done look like child's play. I used to love Google. Now, with no real competition standing in their way, they're starting to terrify me.

Apple sells me gadgets. I can always walk away from a gadget. Good luck walking away from Google five years from now.

Fundamentally, it's about the same thing Apple is trying to do now with iAd.

Fundamentally not really. Mobile advertising for Apple is a side salad. With Google it's the appetizer, the main course, and the dessert.

Monetizing mobile platform via targetted ad revenue isn't exactly a great mystery you make it out to be.

Not a mystery at all. But it should be cause for alarm.

And putting Google's (mostly open) and Apple's (mostly closed) approaches to mobile platform side by side - I will take Google's any day of the week and twice on Sunday. But that's just me.

Different strokes for different folks. Google certainly has convinced the world that they're the good guy in this particular war.

 

[ChazUK]

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You can sync via Google contacts if you set up a Google account but you can also use other apps (here is a free one http://www.waxworlds.org/edam/software/android/import-contacts) or you can directly import contacts from a vcard file in your sd card in the contacts app. (Phone > contacts > import > from sd card).
The Google method is easiest for seamless wireless syncing but other apps like missing sync for Android also does wireless syncing to a pc or Mac as well.

 

[LagunaSol]

You can sync via Google contacts if you set up a Google account but you can also use other apps (here is a free one http://www.waxworlds.org/edam/software/android/import-contacts) or you can directly import contacts from a vcard file in your sd card in the contacts app. (Phone > contacts > import > from sd card).

An import utility isn't exactly what I had in mind when I said "sync."

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't own an Android phone so I may be speaking errant hearsay, but in a previous thread someone asked how to sync contacts and calendars from an Android phone to a Mac and vice-versa. The reply was it's easy, just sync through Google services.

Please correct me if this is not accurate.

And you can do that just as easily with the iPhone/iPod Touch. Based on that logic then if you want to use the iPhone like that it requires you to give your info to Google.
Now do you see the huge hole in your entire attempted to bash Android.
You also are admitting that you never have really used an Android product and just repeat the crap that is put out on theses boards.

Now apple is really starting to gather data like Google was and I have far less trust in Apple not abusing it. On top of that Apple will not be as open in what it is doing with your personal data as Google.

 

[ChazUK]

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You can sync via Google contacts if you set up a Google account but you can also use other apps (here is a free one http://www.waxworlds.org/edam/software/android/import-contacts) or you can directly import contacts from a vcard file in your sd card in the contacts app. (Phone > contacts > import > from sd card).

An import utility isn't exactly what I had in mind when I said "sync."

Oops! I had this silly assumption it was a one time thing.
Re-reading it that was not what you were on about.
Reading comprehension fail.

 

[LagunaSol]

And you can do that just as easily with the iPhone/iPod Touch. Based on that logic then if you want to use the iPhone like that it requires you to give your info to Google.

Rubbish. My iPhone syncs my calendar and my contacts from my Mac (and vice-versa) without landing on anyone else's server.

Now do you see the huge hole in your entire attempted to bash Android.

The only huge hole I see is your failed attempt to disprove my point.

You also are admitting that you never have really used an Android product and just repeat the crap that is put out on theses boards.

I have used Android, but have not owned an Android device. I have not used Android 2.2. I have never said otherwise. And I clearly stated that the syncing question was based on hearsay, not personal experience.

If you want to bash (or counter) my point of view, you may want to get the facts straight first?

 

[wreckshop]

Google is spying on you no matter what apps you use. That's the whole point of giving Android away, Google makes its money on search views, and that means tracking your views.

So what? ISPs keep a log of all the places you've been on the internet. Phone companies know who you've been calling. UPS and fedex keep a record of all packages that you send and receive.

How is this any different? At least with google, you dont have to give them any real info about yourself.

 

[LagunaSol]

So what? ISPs keep a log of all the places you've been on the internet. Phone companies know who you've been calling. UPS and fedex keep a record of all packages that you send and receive.

Google just wraps up all that data mining in one single corporate entity.

It's all about the convenience! Thanks Big G!

 

[435713]

And that's why iOS is losing so rapidly to Android - dropping market share is just an early symptom of a bigger shift in mindshare yet to come.

Incorrect, iOS is losing to Android for a simple reason. # of devices. Put webOS, winMO on all these devices and the #'s games catches up. Obviously they wouldn't but if Apple had iOS on as many devices as Android it wouldnt even be close. Google may eventually take #2 from RIM, but put an asterisk next to it.

Rather MS take it to be honest. All this flapping gums about BS features is ridiculous all of these features are selling points maybe to the < 1 % of geeks out there. I dont think Android is bad by any means. Gave a little thought to the EVO 4G.

Anyway it will be real fun seeing the beating Google gets in trying the actual real OS market. Have fun getting raped by the big boys

 

[435713]

So what? ISPs keep a log of all the places you've been on the internet. Phone companies know who you've been calling. UPS and fedex keep a record of all packages that you send and receive.

How is this any different? At least with google, you dont have to give them any real info about yourself.

This is true. Its how they make their money obviously. My biggest problem with Google is I feel they dont EARN it as much as other companies. And Larry Page's beaver teeth as well. EWWWW

 

[NebulaClash]

So what? ISPs keep a log of all the places you've been on the internet. Phone companies know who you've been calling. UPS and fedex keep a record of all packages that you send and receive.

How is this any different? At least with google, you dont have to give them any real info about yourself.

Two thoughts:

1. At least you know what Google is doing. I suspect some Android users think they are shutting Google out, but they're not.

2. You give Google lots of real info about yourself whether done deliberately or not. As you say, your ISP can log lots of stuff about you, and so does Google. That can all be pieced together to form a clear picture of you.

I'm not saying be paranoid or anything. I'm just cautioning the Android types around here not to put Google up on too much of a pedestal. They are in the business to make money off your information, and that's always been their bottom line.

It's a moot point anyway. Once Android is sidelined in favor of Google Web apps, it'll be obvious that Google is checking every thing you do.

 

[LagunaSol]

A Verizon iPhone = Android gets left in the dust.

While 29 percent of all respondents said they were somewhat or very likely to purchase an iPhone on Verizon's network, 51 percent of current Verizon subscribers said they were waiting to buy it. Those sales would likely come from Android and BlackBerry customers.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ne_owners_waiting_for_verizon_to_upgrade.html

 

[lowkey9]

A Verizon iPhone = Android gets left in the dust.



http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ne_owners_waiting_for_verizon_to_upgrade.html

The Samsung Captivate has been pretty successful on AT&T. Why aren't those people buying iPhones instead?

 

[ChazUK]

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A Verizon iPhone = Android gets left in the dust.

While 29 percent of all respondents said they were somewhat or very likely to purchase an iPhone on Verizon's network, 51 percent of current Verizon subscribers said they were waiting to buy it. Those sales would likely come from Android and BlackBerry customers.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ne_owners_waiting_for_verizon_to_upgrade.html

It will be a good day when people in the U.S get a choice of carriers for the iPhone. If/when a VZ iPhone happens I bet we have a lot of smiling people here.

 

[Fluffy Bunny]

Well, it would make sense that Android will capture a larger market share given the sheer number of manufacturers making devices.

This strawman cracks me up every time. Keep 'em coming!

 

[NebulaClash]

The Samsung Captivate has been pretty successful on AT&T. Why aren't those people buying iPhones instead?

Because no one device will ever satisfy every single customer. The iPhone can be wildly successful and still there will be a few people who hate Apple or love Samsung or whatever.

Microsoft at its best never held 100% of the OS market, and that was a market they illegally forced to be as close to 100% as they could make it. It just won't happen in any market for any device.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

The Samsung Captivate has been pretty successful on AT&T. Why aren't those people buying iPhones instead?

Ahh do not run this thread with pesky little facts. Apple Fanboys heads will explode.

The captivate is an prim example of a lot of people who liked AT&T but could not get the phone they wanted. I am willing to bet money that some of the people who got the Captivated settled for the 3G or 3GS because AT&T never offered any real android phone. The Captivated is the first high end Android phone AT&T offered.
I am glad that AT&T finally got it threw their head that not everyone wants the iPhone. There are a lot of people out their who really like Android and wanted a good one. Hell their are people on these boards who have posted that they were leveling AT&T for Droid, EVO ect and were very happy with it.
I also think AT&T picking up the Android phones is a clear sign that AT&T knows that it is going to loss the iPhone.

 

[NebulaClash]

Speaking of pesky facts, I keep repeating that Android is dead-end technology that Google themselves say is only a short term solution. Chrome and HTML 5 is Google's future. Enjoy those Android apps. You'll be replacing them soon while Apple's apps will just slide from device to device.

Google is about to pull a Microsoft on their fans, and if anything this Oracle lawsuit might force them to speed up the abandonment of Android.

So funny to see Android fans here think of Apple as the controlling type of company...

 

[ChazUK]

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Speaking of pesky facts, I keep repeating that Android is dead-end technology that Google themselves say is only a short term solution. Chrome and HTML 5 is Google's future. Enjoy those Android apps. You'll be replacing them soon while Apple's apps will just slide from device to device.

Google is about to pull a Microsoft on their fans, and if anything this Oracle lawsuit might force them to speed up the abandonment of Android.

So funny to see Android fans here think of Apple as the controlling type of company...

Is there anything stopping those HTML 5 apps being cross platform?

 

[FlyinggPenguin]

Speaking of pesky facts, I keep repeating that Android is dead-end technology that Google themselves say is only a short term solution. Chrome and HTML 5 is Google's future. Enjoy those Android apps. You'll be replacing them soon while Apple's apps will just slide from device to device.

Google is about to pull a Microsoft on their fans, and if anything this Oracle lawsuit might force them to speed up the abandonment of Android.

So funny to see Android fans here think of Apple as the controlling type of company...

+1. I say Android will be abandoned by at least November 2012.

 

[BaldiMac]

Ahh do not run this thread with pesky little facts. Apple Fanboys heads will explode.

The captivate is an prim example of a lot of people who liked AT&T but could not get the phone they wanted. I am willing to bet money that some of the people who got the Captivated settled for the 3G or 3GS because AT&T never offered any real android phone. The Captivated is the first high end Android phone AT&T offered.
I am glad that AT&T finally got it threw their head that not everyone wants the iPhone. There are a lot of people out their who really like Android and wanted a good one. Hell their are people on these boards who have posted that they were leveling AT&T for Droid, EVO ect and were very happy with it.
I also think AT&T picking up the Android phones is a clear sign that AT&T knows that it is going to loss the iPhone.

How well has the Samsung Captivate done on AT&T compared to the iPhone?

 

[435713]

+1. I say Android will be abandoned by at least November 2012.

Really? What would they use in its place if that happened? Curious.

 

[AidenShaw]

Really? What would they use in its place if that happened? Curious.

The link said that they're expecting to use Chrome OS when Chrome matures and the handsets get more powerful and the networks get more bandwidth.

Will the Android user even notice when Android 5.0 comes out with ChromeOS?

Probably not - Google will make sure that Android apps can still run somehow, and the look and feel of 5.0 won't be a radical change from Android 4.3.

 

[FlyinggPenguin]

Really? What would they use in its place if that happened? Curious.

I was thinking maybe a mobile Chromium (is that how you spell it?) OS... If Windows could do it, why not Google?

 

[chris200x9]

The link said that they're expecting to use Chrome OS when Chrome matures and the handsets get more powerful and the networks get more bandwidth.

Will the Android user even notice when Android 5.0 comes out with ChromeOS?

Probably not - Google will make sure that Android apps can still run somehow, and the look and feel of 5.0 won't be a radical change from Android 4.3.

chrome os has a vvery different target audience, it will be chrome thats all and html5 apps