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I bought one to operate as a speaker from my phone, knowing that Siri was a steaming pile and not really caring about that aspect of it. The very first time I tried to play music from a playlist at a party, the music kept cutting in and out. This is about the most basic use case imaginable. What the hell, Apple?
How far away from your WiFi router?
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Build a time capsule and AirPort Extreme into it, and stick a plug for an old fashioned airplay speaker setup into it, and we'll talk.

And an Apple TV.


I hate clutter. That thing should do all the apple home stuff in one device. And it should be smart enough to set itself up. ...and if it can't figure your Rube Goldberg Machine of a house out, it should ask you if you want to connect you to the nice Indian lady who will help you sort yourself out. Actually do this thing all the way, Apple. Then sell the hell out of them.
Apple doesn't use offshore tech support.
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Is is tweakable in software to lower the bass? Thought it was too bass heavy for my liking when I tried it.
Not tweakable; but I read somewhere that a software update lowered the bass somewhat.
 
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I love my Homepod and listen to it every day. I watch less television now and listen more Apple music on my Homepod. I just wish they would drop the damn price though because I want a few more for my property. Did Apple every come out with the update where one could connect two Homepods?
 
So they make a weak entrance into the smart speaker market after neglecting, then killing off the AirPort and Time Capsule home wifi products.

I’m totally seeing the logic here! :rolleyes:
Nevermind your post (which I disagree with), it's your signature quote that I take the most issue with.

The Apple IIGS is a remarkable achievement, and especially so; since it ALSO offers nearly 100% backwards Apple //e compatibility.

But things like the Ensonic sampler sound chip, 2 MB RAM limit, 2 MHz 65816 CPU, 80 col. colored Text, Super Hi-Res graphics mode, ADB support for mice and keyboards, RS 422/232 ports with up to 1 Mbps bit rate built in, 800 kB 3.5" floppy support, etc. are FAR beyond simply "an exercise in miniaturization".
 
As the popular saying goes - one should not miss the forest for the trees.

The entire Apple ecosystem still provides a very compelling user experience for me, flaws and shortcomings and all. While Siri could be better, it's still good enough to do the basic stuff well for me. The Apple Pencil offers a sublime writing experience, and I teach with my iPad Pro in the classroom every day, with it mirrored to an Apple TV hooked up to the projector. I like the simplicity of iOS.

My photos are synced via iCloud. Files are tossed around effortlessly using airdrop. It's awesome being able to consume Apple Music on my Apple TV and Apple Watch. My AirPods switch readily amongst all my Apple devices. I am able to receive calls and SMSes on my iPad and iMac courtesy of continuity.

So no, I lose no sleep at night over this. Apple isn't perfect, but then again, what company is? Switching over to a competing brand doesn't necessarily mean I am better off - it just means I am trading one set of issues for another. And for me, the strengths of staying within the Apple ecosystem (still) more than outweigh the cons.



You are seeing it backwards. If Apple products were as problematic as you claimed they were, nobody would have bought their products, much less bought them in the quantities that made Apple as insanely successful as it is today. The oft-trotted narrative of a mindless Apple sheep who rushes out to buy whatever new product Apple announces is convenient but ultimately disingenuous because it simply attempts to explain away Apple's success rather than explain it.

That they do just goes to show that for all the criticism levelled at Apple and their product design decisions, they nevertheless remain very compelling choices. Yes, point out Apple's shortcomings as they surface, but don't forget to give Apple credit for the things that they excel in as well.

In a nutshell, my answer to your point is that all things are packages of features and compromises. Not all features matter, and not all features matter equally. There is a difference between functionality (ie: raw number of features) and usability (how those features are actually used). That Siri is inferior to Google Assistant may not mean much to the end user if he uses either one for very basic scenarios. Maps may not be able to match google maps in terms of features, but I use Maps because it's good enough and gets me to where I need to go and I don't really need the extra bells and whistles such as Street View (heck, I don't even have google maps installed on my iOS devices).

On the flip side, what Apple does do well, I happen to value enough to be willing to vote with my wallet. In 2016, I bought an iPad Pro, Apple Pencil, Apple Watch and AirPods, and am enjoying them very much. Last year, I got a 5k iMac and upgraded to an iPhone 8+. This year, I am looking at replacing my 9.7" iPad Pro with a 12.9" iPad Pro if / when it gets refreshed. They aren't perfect, but the user experience afforded has been great enough for me to not lose sleep over what they don't do very well, and truth be told, the competition simply isn't able to offer the same tightly-integrated ecosystem that Apple is renowned for.

And that's why Apple is as successful as it is. Because Apple is a design-led company who is able to monetise the end user experience more effectively than any other company out there, and it does this not by focusing on technology in a vacuum, but by being able to package different bits of technology together to afford me an integrated computing experience which just works right out of the box, even if the tech on their own are inferior to other options out there in the market.
Very well said. Thanks.
 
I have a HomePod, Google Home Max, and Echo Spot. I use the HomePod mostly for controlling HomeKit accessories because it has the best mics. It can hear me way better than the Echo or Max.

I also use the HomePod for quiet listening in evening and I use the Echo for music when sleeping since it has the least bass.

The Max is best for bass heavy music or asking questions. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. The least useful one to me would be the Echo.

The only reason I keep the Echo Spot is because it makes a nice looking alarm clock, but otherwise the display isn’t very useful. Also not impressed with Amazon services or devices. I tried using it to control lights and stuff, but it seems to be slowest to respond.

If I ask Siri to turn on lights or change color it is almost instant whereas Alexa seems to take forever or fails completely more often. The Max controls the lights fairly well, but it can’t hear me like Siri often if TV, music, fans etc are making noise in room.
 
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I'm in the Apple ecosystem, and was excited about this, but damn..still not not Canada..that along with 1) Siri is not smart and 2) the price ended up swaying me.

I bought 2 echos and a few dots at less than half of what 1 HomePod will cost.
Very happy. Great product.
 
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Right now I have active subscriptions on Tidal, Spotify, Apple Music, Google Play, Deezer, iHeartRadio, and Pandora. I turned off the Amazon Music Unlimited after trial ended.

Selection wise the services are all about the same. Tidal and Deezer have best quality sound. Spotify has better playlists, but Apple Music has better radio stations. Google Play also have pretty good playlists along with Deezer.

None of the services have great recommendations for me since I change genres a lot depending on mood. Also none of the services have exactly everything I would want after exploring them all.

It is nice to be able to control multiple services by voice on my Google Home Max, but since I usually just set playlists it’s not hard to do it from a device on HomePod if don’t want to use Apple Music. I could live with just the HomePod and Apple Music if had to, but I prefer to have more options.

Back in the CD days I used to buy multiple CDs each month for at least $10 each, so it’s not that crazy to me to pay for multiple services since gives a lot of flexibility for listening options.

If I had to keep only 3, I would keep Tidal for quality, Spotify for playlists, and Apple Music for radio. After some more exploring I will probably unsubscribe from Deezer, and Google Play.

iHeartRadio is good for local listening so will probably keep it since only one that can do it. I wish Apple would add Tidal, Spotify, and iHeartRadio to Siri voice control.

It’s nice to be able to tell Google Max to play local radio stations without having to take out device... probably my favorite thing about it wasn’t expecting to ever use.
 
Over 14 pages and 300 posts. On this site it’s a given that any article even mildly suggesting an Apple product not performing up to expectations generates this kind of response, most of which is negative drivel and parroted talking points.
 
This reminds me I should order a spare band. From Amazon. I'll try to place the order using Siri. When that fails I'll use Alexa.
 
Over 14 pages and 300 posts. On this site it’s a given that any article even mildly suggesting an Apple product not performing up to expectations generates this kind of response, most of which is negative drivel and parroted talking points.

That’s right. Macrumors staff knows what kind of articles stir up the most people and any sort of Apple might have a problem - article guarantee that the fans and the haters will clash.

It’s a tired old scheme rehashed hundreds of times from the old “Apple is doomed area” from when Steve returned but it obviously still works well.
 
Sure. Go read the earnings minutes and you’ll see Cook confirm multiple times that the X was the best selling iPhone since release (2 straight quarters) and the number 1 selling phone in China.

That's my exact point. Apple is refusing to give any indication how badly the iPhone X is doing. With 8 different iPhone models on the market it could be responsible for 1/8th + 1 of the total iPhone sales and still technically the best selling iPhone. And in fact since the 6, 6s, and 7 have 2 different sizes while the X only has one size, it's very likely the 8 and maybe even the 7 are outselling the X.

The point is not my speculation, but that Apple has only given handwaving BS. They you're going off half-cocked in the forum pretending we have concrete numbers.

Also, their ASP and revenue numbers for the last 2 quarters indicate strong performance in top of the line iPhones.

And, in related news, the cheapest model, the SE is getting pretty ancient and probably selling less each quarter which would also raise the ASP even if the X didn't exist at all. Besides which even mediocre X sales will raise the ASP. Again, no way to tell yet you pretend the fiction in your head is hard fact.

If you want to think it’s anything but a success despite the numbers or won’t believe anything until you see a unit sales mix which Apple doesn’t provide and won’t report, continue to be wrong and bury your head all you want.

I'm not saying it's not a success, I'm saying there are no numbers and all and you constantly cite these fictions in your head as if we had real numbers.

Funny how Apple used to provide more detailed breakdowns, it's only when they have stuff to hide that they switch to handwaving and vague ambiguous statements..
 
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Just like iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad started out...and AppleWatch, its dependent on other devices existing for it being. Which makes sense to some extent but if someone just wanted to buy one and play anything on it, they really can't. its not just a Siri HomePod its an AppleMusic HomePod. Sure there's AirPlay..
 
Find a hi fi speaker with the quality of the HomePod for less then $349

Why? Apple sure doesn't sell a hi fi speaker with the quality of a HomePod at any price.

Apple sells a cheap piece of crap accessory for siri and Apple music and the only legitimate price point is free with purchase of an iPhone.

Now if they actually sold a speaker of the quality of HomePod for the $350, it would be a bargain. A speaker; as in something I can use with my TV (no not apple TV) and gaming console. If it can't do that, it's not a speaker, it's landfill.
 
That's my exact point. Apple is refusing to give any indication how badly the iPhone X is doing. With 8 different iPhone models on the market it could be responsible for 1/8th + 1 of the total iPhone sales and still technically the best selling iPhone. And in fact since the 6, 6s, and 7 have 2 different sizes while the X only has one size, it's very likely the 8 and maybe even the 7 are outselling the X.

The point is not my speculation, but that Apple has only given handwaving BS. They you're going off half-cocked in the forum pretending we have concrete numbers.



And, in related news, the cheapest model, the SE is getting pretty ancient and probably selling less each quarter which would also raise the ASP even if the X didn't exist at all. Besides which even mediocre X sales will raise the ASP. Again, no way to tell yet you pretend the fiction in your head is hard fact.



I'm not saying it's not a success, I'm saying there are no numbers and all and you constantly cite these fictions in your head as if we had real numbers.

Funny how Apple used to provide more detailed breakdowns, it's only when they have stuff to hide that they switch to handwaving and vague ambiguous statements..
It’s the best selling phone and Apple has never released iPhone mix. How you can say it’s sellig poorly is a mystery as there is no basis for it. What measure are you using?

I don’t care what the breakdown is, the “best selling” is all I need to know. The numbers indicate it’s more than just selling the best within 1 iPhone. ASP was $800 in Q1. It was also the FIRST time the top of the line iPhone was also the best selling, according to Cook.

Saying it’s not selling well bc they won’t release the mix is totally irrational since they’ve never released mix. It’s also ignoring all the numbers. How do you think they did $61B in sales in Q2? Just looking at iPhone revenue, it increased 15% y/y to over $38B.
 
It’s the best selling phone and Apple has never released iPhone mix. How you can say it’s sellig poorly is a mystery as there is no basis for it. What measure are you using?

Wow. I never said it's selling poorly. I mentioned several times I'm not saying that. I also mentioned several times what measure i'm using; that there is no measure available.

You clearly don't take the time to read anything in your mad rush to defend Apple against any perceived slight even where none exist. It's really kind of sad.

I don’t care what the breakdown is, the “best selling” is all I need to know.

Yep, that really does say it all right there.
 
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It’s the _sales_ that are factored m. They’re not factoring returns. Manufacturers do not determine how many XYZ did we sell and how many XYZ were returned. It’s the initial sale of the product to begin with.
This isn't true.

Returns may not be taken in account for the metrics used for this article, but manufacturers take in account all sorts of things other than sales, including returns, estimated warranty claims, defects, pilferage, and others.

Maybe I am not not understanding what your post says.
 
Wow. I never said it's selling poorly. I mentioned several times I'm not saying that. I also mentioned several times what measure i'm using; that there is no measure available.

You clearly don't take the time to read anything in your mad rush to defend Apple against any perceived slight even where none exist. It's really kind of sad.



Yep, that really does say it all right there.
Any questions you have about its success are dispelled when it's confirmed it's the best selling iPhone during record breaking quarters.
 
This isn't true..

It is. Re-read the article. Units sold doesn’t diversify over units returned. That’s not the initial focus and nor do we even evidence supporting what was returned, so there is no initial discussion behind any numbers regardless.

TReturns may not be taken in account for the metrics used for this article.

Then you quoting my first post is moot. Because I said they, as in Apple, it’s not factoring the returns in this specific article. So I’m not sure what your countering here. For the record, I worked loss prevention for _years_ and I’m fully aware of logistics when it comes to overall sales and returns. And many manufactures don’t always consider returns, when they look at the initial sale because of net profit. In terms of actual returns, that’s something that’s actually tallied up at the end of the year during a fiscal period. Even if something is return such as a tech product, doesn’t mean that it’s considered a loss either, because in some cases, products can be refurbished remanufacture to resell later on.
 
Google "sells" your data, in a roundabout way, to its advertisers when they start picking (very specific) demographics to target their ads to. Facebook did the same thing and had similar policies and look what happened to them. I'm sorry that you no longer value your privacy - some of us still do.

Speaking of parroting nonsense, Google Assistant is so much better than Siri because Siri is a 7 year old project that was purchased by Apple, most of the original team has since quit, they put Eddy Cue in charge of it and he did next to nothing with it for 5+ years. Apple can absolutely develop a competitive voice assistant without invading your privacy, they just haven't (yet).

That’s not selling your data. The advertisers don’t get access to your data. They know nothing about you. Stop spreading FUD. They pay Google to target ads. This is less invasive than selling mailing lists, something catalog companies have done for decades. Are you all worked up over that too? Bottom line, Google does NOT sell your data. They sell access to your eyeballs. That’s a huge difference. I’m sorry if that basic logic escapes you.

As for Siri, you might be right, but that’s neither here nor there. Apple has let the technology wither on the vine while others have pummeled them. Apple is either grossly incompetent or doesn’t see the inherent value in this emerging assistant/AI technology. Sort of like how Microsoft ignored mobile until it was too late. If Apple can build an assistant that rivals Google or Amazon, they should do it. Stop making excuses for their incompetence in this department.
 
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