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At this point everyone who voted for Trump or now supports him should have a long look in the mirror. You might not be a good person.
You liberals are so judgemental, I thought you were the understanding compassionate ones!
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Check out the pic I attached. Which bathroom should these men use? And I'm not being snarky. I curious what people here think.
I think one big difference here is we are talking about children in school, not adults. I seriously doubt any of these school children have undergone full sex change operations. I would doubt any doctors would cut a penis off a 13 year old boy, or give massive amounts of male hormones to girls and remove any breasts. These are children with all the original equipment they were born with. Your picture is of adults 2 or 3 times or more the age of these school children.
So what you are saying is that a 14 year old "boy" with a penis, who identifies as a girl, should shower with other 14 year girls in a public school? And that if these other 14 year old girls or their parents don't like it.... well too bad!

I think Spoc once said; "The sacrifice of the one, for the benefit of the the many"

Penis's should shower with penis's and vagina's with vagina's. Once you have undergone a full sex change, then it's a different matter, but this certainly what is going on with school children.

I would think that back when I was a kid, many of the boys would have claimed they identified as girls just to go shower with the girls!
 
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So if 20 people are running and the top vote getter has 20% you're good with it? Get outta here.
That would be democracy, yes. Are you seriously mystified by this concept?
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Yeah - because its backwards to realize that having a penis makes you a male and having a vagina makes you a female. Those pesky chromosomes getting in the way. And you're calling this backwards thinking? Seriously? Un. Focking. Amazing.
It's not that simple. In a biological sense, you would be incorrect to say that everyone is born clearly male or female. In a social/cultural sense, you would be incorrect to say that our ideas of male/female gender entirely conform with the "natural." In a psychological sense, you'd be wrong to say that everyone feels the same way. Finally, in a moral sense, you'd be incorrect to say that forcing a trans woman who looks female to use the men's bathroom is the "right thing to do." (Oh, one more: in a statistical sense, you'd be wrong to claim that trans people pose a threat to their co-bathroom users. There is just no basis in crime statistics, or logic, for that dumb argument.)
 
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I suggest finding a country so broken they would agree with you. There are many. They are dumspter fires, but they elect people the way you would like to.
There actually aren't many.

But that's irrelevant. I never said I wanted a direct popular vote. I said the current system is not sustainable, because educated, highly populated states like NY and California will not stand by forever while the podunk states elect semi-literate fools like GWB and Trump to run the country, using their outsized votes.

There are plenty of potential ways to fix the electoral college without resorting to "the popular vote" (and it WILL be altered at some point in the next 50 years, I guarantee it.)
 
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I think that it's good that they use their strong voice in the technology community to bring these things to the table. They're perfectly capable of being a hardware/software maker while standing up for others.
 
I've never had an issue throughout our discussion with you not liking Trump. You are perfectly entitled to that opinion and are welcome to express it. Where I have has an issue is that you seem overly upset because you don't like him and because of that you blame the system. The same system that has elected all the other presidents in your lifetime

None of the other presidents in my lifetime were a corrupt pathological liar or a mentally ill narcissist either. Apples to oranges.

Are you discriminating against transgender people who don't pass? Are you dissing hairy old men with broad shoulders who 'transition' in later life will never looking anything other than a strange parody of a woman inviting questions from curious, pointing children?

What about non-binary people? If someone feels like a woman but makes no effort to look like one who are we to question it? Let them lurk around in whatever private space they like I say. Anyone who argues otherwise is literally Hitler.

Not worth responding to further. :rolleyes:

caitly jenner is not a women. if you have a penis you should be in the mens room. if you want to be a women then it needs to be cut off.
How do you know? Have you taken a look under her skirt to see if she still has one or not?

if you had a young daughter in the bathroom with a man would you feel the same way?
If the man was really a transgendered woman, yes, because I understand transgendered people unlike a lot of other people...clearly.

Its a total mental illness thats also partially fetish related, me thinks. It needs to be fixed and fixed permanently. Find out what went wrong and get rid of it. Make a drug that blocks it and lets move on. Penis = BOY, vagina = GIRL. By law. No exceptions. Stop being weirdos

Sounds like an updated version of the crap people used to say about gay people. :rolleyes:

Yeah I don't need any proof of anything
Translation: You don't have any proof and cannot explain how a Republican could sign off on a bunch of democrat fraud. The real fraud is the notion you are trying to peddle. It doesn't even make sense. It's completely illogical and nonsensical.

Which one of them is not an adult in a school?

So your fear is children molesting other children in schools?

President Trump is NOT corrupt. But all those democrats and others can't accept this fact so they feel the need to violently protest about their ignorance of this fact.

Trump is far from perfect. He's made many mistakes. Corruption is not one of them.
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From paying off AG's to look the other way, to using charity money to pay legal bills and buy paintings of himself, to violation of the Cuban embargo, to running a fake university, to lying and saying Trump Steaks will still being sold, he is corrupt as they come. There is seemingly nothing he will not lie about.


Then there were the others. See a pattern.
Hugo Black - Democrat 1937
Theodore G. Bilbo - Democrat 1947
Rick Means - Republican 1926
Clarence Morely - Republican 1927
Bib Graves - Alabama Democrat 1942
Clifford Walker - Georgia Democrat 1924
George Gordon - Democrat
John Brown Gordon - Senator Georgia, Democrat 1911
John Clinton Porter - Mayor LA, Democrat 1928
Benjamine F Stapleton - Democrat 1940

I do. I see that Clarence Morely and Rick Means were ahead of their time.
 
Yes, schools are very safe because people care about safety. Never have school shootings or violence. Your arguments are all rubbish.
Ok. My arguments are all rubbish because you disagree with me. Yours aren't exactly grounded in reality are they. You're just fearmungering and trying to legitimise your obvious prejudice.

What the hell do school shootings have to with this? That's more about a society that allows such crazy liberal gun laws and a wide range of motivations that has jack to do with this issue. Stop conflating the issue with irrelevant arguments. The bottom line is whether allowing transgender people to use the restroom of their choice has caused an increase in sexual attacks on women. The evidence just ain't there:

http://time.com/4314896/transgender-bathroom-bill-male-predators-argument/

http://www.politifact.com/north-car...ty-nc-director-no-public-safety-risks-cities/
 
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Why are Americans complaining about Donald Trump? They clearly wanted this guy as president; they picked him in the primaries and then elected him over Hillary in the end as well. Stop whining.

And don't give me the excuse that Hillary was no better... there was Bernie Sanders but it seems like Americans ignored him (he would have been great).
I love Trump - always have.
The people who votes for him aren't the ones whining.

Bernie Sanders is an authoritarian moron.
 
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There actually aren't many.

But that's irrelevant. I never said I wanted a direct popular vote. I said the current system is not sustainable, because educated, highly populated states like NY and California will not stand by forever while the podunk states elect semi-literate fools like GWB and Trump to run the country, using their outsized votes.

There are plenty of potential ways to fix the electoral college without resorting to "the popular vote" (and it WILL be altered at some point in the next 50 years, I guarantee it.)

It's absolutely sustainable. It takes 2/3 of the House and Senate to vote for what you want. So no, it's not changing in the next 50 years or even 100 years.

Speaking of semi-literate fools, your contempt for the rest of the country and ignorance of its history and laws is duly noted. You will stand by forever, because you're just two States out of fifty. You are fooling yourself if you think The NY and CA bubbles matter to the rest of us.
 
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You will stand by forever, because you're just two States out of fifty.
It's not just CA and NY. The greatest percentage of GDP comes from blue states. If it weren't for Texas, the red states would contribute less than 20% of the country's entire GDP.
Yeah, it's not sustainable.
 
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It's not just CA and NY. The greatest percentage of GDP comes from blue states. If it weren't for Texas, the red states would contribute less than 20% of the country's entire GDP.
Yeah, it's not sustainable.

You are truly out of touch. Take your hysterics elsewhere. Maybe you can peddle them someplace like Mexico or Venezuela.
 
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I never said I wanted a direct popular vote. I said the current system is not sustainable, because educated, highly populated states like NY and California will not stand by forever while the podunk states elect semi-literate fools like GWB and Trump to run the country, using their outsized votes.
Are you listening to yourself? That's basically saying that the folks in NY and California are smarter and know what's good for the rest of the country. That's a very arrogant thing to say and typical of the liberal attitude. It's one of the reasons the democrats are losing governorships and seats in the house and senate.
 
Ok. My arguments are all rubbish because you disagree with me. Yours aren't exactly grounded in reality are they. You're just fearmungering and trying to legitimise your obvious prejudice.

What the hell do school shootings have to with this? That's more about a society that allows such crazy liberal gun laws and a wide range of motivations that has jack to do with this issue. Stop conflating the issue with irrelevant arguments. The bottom line is whether allowing transgender people to use the restroom of their choice has caused an increase in sexual attacks on women. The evidence just ain't there:

http://time.com/4314896/transgender-bathroom-bill-male-predators-argument/

http://www.politifact.com/north-car...ty-nc-director-no-public-safety-risks-cities/
What is ironic about your statement about gun laws is that they were created to keep people from your country out. I can see why just in this conversation alone. We didn't like your crazy British ideology then and I certainly don't care for it now. Stop telling us how we should run our country. You have your little collection of islands....go destroy those. I bet the EU can't wait for you to be gone.
 
Ignorance is not a strength, get informed or stop talking. Got that. Simple isn't.

I guess this "woman" (sic) (see image below) should just go in the woman's bathroom hey, no problem.... Perfectly logical.
This is what a trans man looks like, yes, they do exist and there are plenty of them.

To be fair, this is the absolute best case scenario for a woman transforming into a man, which is why he is featured on the front of a bunch of magazines. Most people are far less successful in the transformation because they aren't willing to or can't afford all of the surgeries, medications, and hard work required to do this. I had a trans professor in college and the first thing I thought the second I laid eyes on the professor was "whoa, that's a dude in a dress!" I was right. Also, living near San Francisco I see my fair share of transgender people, and the fact that I recognize them as transgender means they aren't doing a very good job of disguising their birth gender.
 
I don't see why this is so complicated.
Got a dick, use the mens.
Happen to have a vag? Use the ladies.
I realize that there is a very small number of people who are genuinely mixed up as far as genitalia/gender goes (hermaphrodites), but this bathroom nonsense is not being pushed by them.
It's being pushed by people with mental illnesses and their OTT big L liberal supporters.
 
I love Trump - always have.
The people who votes for him aren't the ones whining.

Bernie Sanders is an authoritarian moron.

Replace Bernie Sanders with Trump in that sentence and you'd have a correct statement.

Are you listening to yourself? That's basically saying that the folks in NY and California are smarter and know what's good for the rest of the country. That's a very arrogant thing to say and typical of the liberal attitude. It's one of the reasons the democrats are losing governorships and seats in the house and senate.

But the typical conservative attitude here (such as Snoopy demonstrated above) seems to be that NY, CA and similar states do not matter. That's a very arrogant attitude to have.

Am I the only one who thinks that pumping mentally ill people full of hormones and mutilating their genitals instead of getting them some real help is just a little bit cruel?

Yes. You are the only one. Instead of calling them mentally ill, how about attempting to learn about people which you clearly do not understand? Listen to the stories and life experiences.
 
No, but assuming that you bought the new MacBook you certainly got ripped off.

Nope. Exactly the same price I spent on my 2013 rMBP and it blows it out of the water.
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Yep, after exclusive use of Apple/Mac products since 2001 I've had enough. I want awesome, innovative technology products. I do not want a political statement. When my phone contract expires in June I'm done with the iPhone. When I replace my Apple laptop and desktop this year it will be with another manufacturers product. I'm done. Love the products, but won't contribute to your political campaigns again. Bye Apple.

For gods sakes people. Tim Cook does NOT make the products. He does not do 100% of EVERY SINGLE THING that Apple is doing. It is NOT possible. It is too much work for one person. Why do you think there are Managers and Directors? We should just get rid of every single Manager and Director in every single company and just let the CEO do EVERYTHING? It is not possible.
 
Yes. You are the only one. Instead of calling them mentally ill, how about attempting to learn about people which you clearly do not understand? Listen to the stories and life experiences.

So, believing that you're of a different gender is normal, but believing that illuminati controlled aliens are out to get you is a mental disorder. How are these two things different?
 
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