Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students

[unobtainium]

Need a rehash on the electoral college? Sounds like it's giving you difficulty. "Popular Vote" doesn't have any relevance. Popular and Majority are also two things. Use of a popular vote would be disasterous.

Popular vote indicates who would win if elections were perfectly democratic. The majority vote is the one with little relevance. In many election cycles, neither candidate will get 50%+, so who cares.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Use of a popular vote would be disasterous.

How so? Seems like the elections turn out the same either way most of the time. That doesn't seem too "disastrous" to me.

 

[unobtainium]

Apple, Inc. is a publicly traded corporation. Kinda important thing to mention. It's not Tim's political soapbox, Inc.

And apparently Apple, facebook, google and others all think making a statement in support of human rights is in the best interest of the company and its image.

Anyway, the majority of their users are well educated, and therefore unlikely to hold backward views, so it isn't likely to cause a backlash among users.

 

[SeaFox]

How so? Seems like the elections turn out the same either way most of the time. That doesn't seem too "disastrous" to me.

The amusing part is -- it proved itself unnecessary on its own with this election.

Use of the popular vote is considered "disastrous", as Snoopy4 says, because it allows any nutcase with a strong populist campaign to get elected. The Electoral College is supposed to prevent that by not allowing the people to directly decide the election -- but that only works if the delegates don't follow the results of the polls the (supposedly duped) public voted in. But if the delegates didn't follow the voting of the people and just did what that wanted, there would be riots in the street.

The Electoral College allowed Donald Trump, literally the "unqualified person running on a populist campaign" they are supposed to be protecting the country from, to become President. Thus proving they do not execute their designed function and are not needed. What's more, had they not been there and the election truly been by popular vote, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[chr1s60]

Swoosh...right over the head. It's not about "team sports". Seriously get your head out of that mindset because that is not where I am coming from. I would consider Trump corrupt, mentally ill, incompetent at times and unfit for office if he had ran as an independent. I would have considered him corrupt, mentally ill, incompetent at times and unfit for office if he had ran as a member of the Green Party. Or the Democrat party. Or literally any other party you could name. It really doesn't matter. Corrupt and nutty is still corrupt and nutty no matter what little letter you want to put in front of his name.

It is an absolute failure of our system that someone so crooked, so inexperienced and with so many weird narrsistic mental issues (and without a grip on reality) could make it through. There simply are not enough checks and balances in the process and the ones we have utterly failed. Mike Pence? Sure. Ted Cruz? Okay. Most of the Republican field would have been competent leaders. But instead, Trump got elected. Our founders are likely rolling in their graves.

Perhaps you need to examine politicians in this country and all over the world. Corrupt is part of their game. Is Trump on the far end of the spectrum? Sure. But to act like this is the first time someone considered corrupt is in office, is a total joke. You don't make it to national level politics without doing some shady stuff somewhere along the line. As sad as that is, it is true all over the world.

I've never had an issue throughout our discussion with you not liking Trump. You are perfectly entitled to that opinion and are welcome to express it. Where I have has an issue is that you seem overly upset because you don't like him and because of that you blame the system. The same system that has elected all the other presidents in your lifetime. My point is, had Clinton won or Sanders had he gotten the nomination he should have had, you wouldn't be saying anything about the system being faulty. The root of you now disagreeing with the system is because you don't like who won, regardless the party he represents.

 

[soundsgoodtome]

Build great products. Shut up. Stay out of it. This goes for all causes, liberal or conservative. As a corporation, there is no reason to alienate potential buyers on either side of the aisle.

As one of the most highly valued and respected corporations on the planet—a corporation comprised of humans—Apple has every reason to weigh in on cultural or political matters: Because Apple's position has the potential to change minds.

Whether or not you agree with Apple's position, this is, in fact, the reason Apple comments. And it's a good reason. And an effective one.

 

[Zedcars]

Support coming in from other big tech companies:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14719596/trump-transgender-rights-google-facebook-microsoft-apple
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Okay. I really don't want men in the woman's room...no matter what you call yourself. How do you prove someone is transgender and not a per. You don't. No matter how much you butcher yourself with surgery or hormones....you are still what you were born as. You are just lying to yourself if you think anything different. You just can't change your real gender. I wish you could just flip a switch and be different....but the sad truth is you can not.

Let me ask you this: Do you have a problem with a lesbian using the toilet/bathroom/restroom while you are in there? If not, then why the objection to a transgender individual who identifies themselves as female? This fear over males pretending to be females in order to gain sexual gratification is unfounded and is a smokescreen for prejudice and bigotry.

 

[Freida]

When you pay your hard earned money for a show and than be lectured on politics such as Wanda Sykes & Amy Schumer. That DOES effect consumers. Audiences booed than started to leave, than get flipped off by Wanda is very telling. Leave politics out of sports, shows and consumer products or face consequences.

What show are you referring to? Can I see it, please? (ie. is it on youtube? Mind posting a link?)

 

[Macist]

Still not an issue. For some strange reason after nearly 100 years since the first transgender operation some people are suddenly upset. Where were they over the last century?





You clearly do not understand the difference between transgender and dressing in drag. So not the same thing.

Are you discriminating against transgender people who don't pass? Are you dissing hairy old men with broad shoulders who 'transition' in later life will never looking anything other than a strange parody of a woman inviting questions from curious, pointing children?

What about non-binary people? If someone feels like a woman but makes no effort to look like one who are we to question it? Let them lurk around in whatever private space they like I say. Anyone who argues otherwise is literally Hitler.

 

[fastasleep]

I support corporations standing up for human rights. And I think if you asked me a decade or two ago if one of the largest corporation in the word would make a stand for such, I would've laughed. I'm happy to be pleasantly surprised.

Human rights should not be a partisan issue. Tolerance and empathy hurts no one.

 

[Hieveryone]

Ignorance is not a strength, get informed or stop talking. Got that. Simple isn't.

I guess this "woman" (sic) (see image below) should just go in the woman's bathroom hey, no problem.... Perfectly logical.
This is what a trans man looks like, yes, they do exist and there are plenty of them.

Liberals are going to wake up tomorrow and start saying,

"You know what? Today I feel like a dog."

This is getting out of hand.

 

[s2mikey]

Anyway, the majority of their users are well educated, and therefore unlikely to hold backward views, so it isn't likely to cause a backlash among users.

Yeah - because its backwards to realize that having a penis makes you a male and having a vagina makes you a female. Those pesky chromosomes getting in the way. And you're calling this backwards thinking? Seriously? Un. Focking. Amazing.

 

[Starflyer]

The party of science, folks.

 

[TroyBoy30]

Which Trump..the one that said leave things alone and critized North Carolina (shown in the video I posted a few minutes ago in this thread) and that said Caitlyn Jenner could use whatever restroom she wanted, or the Trump of yesterday that thinks it's a state's rights issue? He seems conflicted. Split personality disorder?

caitly jenner is not a women. if you have a penis you should be in the mens room. if you want to be a women then it needs to be cut off. if you had a young daughter in the bathroom with a man would you feel the same way? how someone can think that's a good idea is beyond me, just because you identify as something doesn't make you that. i identify as a rich person, but i aint

people born with a penis are all male

that is the exact definition of a male lol. i don't care what you think you are..if you have a penis youre male

 

[Cineplex]

So you want this person using the men's room then? Really?

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Irrelevant as that was not my point. My point still stands, the majority of people did not want Trump, thus the statement that "Americans wanted Trump" or anything similar is bogus and an "alternative fact" put forth by Trump supporters who cannot accept the fact that they elected an unpopular president elected by a minority of people. I get hat they want their guy to be popular and to have craft the narrative that everyone wanted him, but that's inaccurate at best.



If things stay and get more and more divisive where do you think that leads? Hmmm? And no, a system that allows a corrupt con man to take office is most assuredly not working perfectly fine.



It's the polite thing for a company to do. Would you like your neighbors issuing critical comments about what goes on inside your house? Seems pretty out there if you do.


Spoken by someone who isn't being discriminated against.


So, I am going to go through and report every post making that claim in this thread, because unsubstantiated claims of fraud violate the rules of this forum. Tired of it. If you've got evidence, present it. But since no one does, you can't and won't. Thus the claim need to stop being made until such evidence presents itself.



Pretending? No. Like so many other people in this thread, some education on transgender people needs to be done.

I don't

Support coming in from other big tech companies:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14719596/trump-transgender-rights-google-facebook-microsoft-apple
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Let me ask you this: Do you have a problem with a lesbian using the toilet/bathroom/restroom while you are in there? If not, then why the objection to a transgender individual who identifies themselves as female? This fear over males pretending to be females in order to gain sexual gratification is unfounded and is a smokescreen for prejudice and bigotry.

Oh please! Go tell Tim Cook of your prejudice and bigotry. I'm sure he'll give you a nice MLK quote. The first thing you people shout out when anyone doesn't agree. Let's just encourage people with a clear mental or other problem to mutalate themselves to become something they are not. At some point they will feel worse and depressed when they realize all this hasn't really changed a thing. There is clearly some sort of cause to these people's suffering. It's either a mental illness, brain or birth defect,defective DNA, or something. It is not a normal nature response. We should be looking at trying to find a way to prevent this instead of encouraging a poor persons suffering. Getting on your transgender party bus doesn't really help them in the long run. There has to be a cause somewhere. Could be something environmental or food or chemicals...something during the birth process. There is a bigger problem here and probably in 100 years they will figure it out. It's probably something a chemical causing a DNA instruction failure that leads to developing a female brain segment or something. There is a cause, and finding that and finding a way to prevent it will go a lot further than all this BS bathroom crap.

 

[s2mikey]

I don't

Oh please! Go tell Tim Cook of your prejudice and bigotry. I'm sure he'll give you a nice MLK quote. The first thing you people shout out when anyone doesn't agree. Let's just encourage people with a clear mental or other problem to mutalate themselves to become something they are not. At some point they will feel worse and depressed when they realize all this hasn't really changed a thing. There is clearly some sort of cause to these people's suffering. It's either a mental illness, brain or birth defect,defective DNA, or something. It is not a normal nature response. We should be looking at trying to find a way to prevent this instead of encouraging a poor persons suffering. Getting on your transgender party bus doesn't really help them in the long run. There has to be a cause somewhere. Could be something environmental or food or chemicals...something during the birth process. There is a bigger problem here and probably in 100 years they will figure it out. It's probably something a chemical causing a DNA instruction failure that leads to developing a female brain segment or something. There is a cause, and finding that and finding a way to prevent it will go a lot further than all this BS bathroom crap.

Its a total mental illness thats also partially fetish related, me thinks. It needs to be fixed and fixed permanently. Find out what went wrong and get rid of it. Make a drug that blocks it and lets move on. Penis = BOY, vagina = GIRL. By law. No exceptions. Stop being weirdos.

 

[AppleFan360]

should we drink from separate fountains? Should we not be allowed to marry who we want? Should be be fired from our jobs? Where do you think this ends? Because I know that this is the first shot by this administration, and republicans in general, at stripping the entire LGBT community of our rights. We've seen it time and time again. Are you a psychiatrist or a biologist? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? If i had a special power it would be the ability to make someone like you walk in another persons shoes for a few days.

It doesn't take a "special power" to go into the damn bathroom and do your business no matter which gender you are. This is becoming much more complicated than it needs to be. It's almost like transgender people are getting offended because they have to use the bathroom of there biological gender, forget about what really matters which is getting rid of your waste products. Geesh, now I know why the nickname "snowflake" was coined. Get over yourself.

 

[Starflyer]

Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

 

[Snoopy4]

Popular vote indicates who would win if elections were perfectly democratic. The majority vote is the one with little relevance. In many election cycles, neither candidate will get 50%+, so who cares.

So if 20 people are running and the top vote getter has 20% you're good with it? Get outta here.

 

[nick42983]

While I sympathize with mentally ill people, allowing men access to women's locker rooms and bathrooms is not helping anyone. Shame on Apple for ignoring millions of young women while advocating for the fringe cases. Worshiping at the altar of political correctness is the road to hell.

 

[Zedcars]

I don't

Oh please! Go tell Tim Cook of your prejudice and bigotry. I'm sure he'll give you a nice MLK quote. The first thing you people shout out when anyone doesn't agree. Let's just encourage people with a clear mental or other problem to mutalate themselves to become something they are not. At some point they will feel worse and depressed when they realize all this hasn't really changed a thing. There is clearly some sort of cause to these people's suffering. It's either a mental illness, brain or birth defect,defective DNA, or something. It is not a normal nature response. We should be looking at trying to find a way to prevent this instead of encouraging a poor persons suffering. Getting on your transgender party bus doesn't really help them in the long run. There has to be a cause somewhere. Could be something environmental or food or chemicals...something during the birth process. There is a bigger problem here and probably in 100 years they will figure it out. It's probably something a chemical causing a DNA instruction failure that leads to developing a female brain segment or something. There is a cause, and finding that and finding a way to prevent it will go a lot further than all this BS bathroom crap.

Oh please what?

How about please answer my question...

Also, please list your qualifications that enabled you to determine this to be a mental illness.

Sounds like you're making a load of pseudo-scientific BS up to fit with your predetermined prejudice.

"There has to be a cause somewhere". Yes, there is a cause for everything. Well done on figuring that out.

There's also a cause for preferring pasta over rice, Apple products over Microsoft. How about you respect a person's own wishes to be whoever they wish to be and stop jumping to conclusions that they are mentally ill. You know...it wasn't so long ago that people were labelling homosexuality as a mental illness (and some still do). I'm absolutely appalled at what you are spouting here!
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While I sympathize with mentally ill people, allowing men access to women's locker rooms and bathrooms is not helping anyone. Shame on Apple for ignoring millions of young women while advocating for the fringe cases. Worshiping at the altar of political correctness is the road to hell.

Who is mentally ill?

Please show your credentials or sources for this determination.
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Its a total mental illness thats also partially fetish related, me thinks. It needs to be fixed and fixed permanently. Find out what went wrong and get rid of it. Make a drug that blocks it and lets move on. Penis = BOY, vagina = GIRL. By law. No exceptions. Stop being weirdos.

"Me thinks"? "What went wrong"? "Get rid of it"? "Weirdos"?

Want to provide something to backup your offensive and BS statements? My, what disgusting filthy and dangerous rhetoric you are spouting! There's a word for people like you...

 

[Starflyer]

Who is mentally ill?

Please show your credentials or sources for this determination.

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/results/directory/profile/0003340/paul-mchugh

“This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.”

The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh, is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

 

[jblagden]

Try again. Trump won via the Electoral College. If it were not for that possibly outdated mechanism he wouldn't have won.
When it comes to the actual vote by the populace it breaks down to

Trump 62,985,106
Clinton 65,853,625
Others 8,261,498
total VOTES 137,100,229
do the math. Trump only won 45.94% of the votes. but for the 2016 election there were 200,081,300 registered voters. So you add that to the mix and that's only 31.48% of the population. however there's another approximately 21 million American adults that are eligible who haven't even bothered to register. So add them to the mix and that's 28.49% of the adult citizens.

so how exactly did we 'clearly want' him as President.

The Electoral College evens the playing field. That way, big conservative states like Texas and big liberal states like California won't have an unfair amount of representation.

 

[Zedcars]

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/results/directory/profile/0003340/paul-mchugh



https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

I cannot read that. It's behind a pay wall.

Dr McHugh is a right-wing anti-transgender proponent that has misrepresented science and disseminates transphobic views.

You picked an extremely poor advocate for your arguments.

http://transadvocate.com/worlds-experts-condemn-the-mchugh-hoax_n_13924.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/johns-hopkins-professor-e_b_9510808.html

The APA does not consider transgender people to be disordered by definition, and clearly states that in and of itself, being transgender is not an illness. In fact, the APA says the exact opposite: “gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.” Dr. McHugh deliberately misrepresents the position of the American Psychiatric Association by asserting that since gender dysphoria is in the DSM, all transgender people are by definition disordered.

Dr. McHugh is a psychiatrist, and such an egregious misrepresentation of his professional organizations’ position could not simply be a mistake.

 

[Starflyer]

I cannot read that. It's behind a pay wall.

Dr McHugh is a right-wing anti-transgender proponent that has misrepresented science and disseminates transphobic views.

You picked an extremely poor advocate for your arguments.

http://transadvocate.com/worlds-experts-condemn-the-mchugh-hoax_n_13924.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/johns-hopkins-professor-e_b_9510808.html

Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children