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I can understand some instances where going back into a work building may not be considered safe, but given the safety protocols in place at Apple retail stores I’m pretty sure that there’s also going to be safety protocols in place when they come back.
 
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Cry Me A River 🙄 Retail's been back for how long now?! This is literally what annoys me about my coworkers.... everyone just comes off entitled, and sounds millennial AF. I 100% understand if you have a medical issues / reason to not come in. But this kind of sh*t makes it so annoying for me to be an employee.
 
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While some work assignments along with VTC allow good interaction with management, I still see people that work remotely becoming less valuable because management can't interact with them on a regular basis. Its kinda you're known, but become someone the manager doesn't communicate that often as they do with other local staff to their work site.
This south SF bay area where the main Apple campus's is indeed returning back to normal, even if we all wear masks when appropriate. So give or take a few more months WFH just won't utilized as much as before, that is just the way it is moving. :)
The less time I’ve spent with management on a job the more productive I’ve been.
 
While some work assignments along with VTC allow good interaction with management, I still see people that work remotely becoming less valuable because management can't interact with them on a regular basis. Its kinda you're known, but become someone the manager doesn't communicate that often as they do with other local staff to their work site.
So give or take a few more months WFH just won't utilized as much as before, that is just the way it is moving. :)

Less valuable due to less interaction? If that's the case then management are doing something wrong. Everyone has regular 1-on-1s with their direct manager on a very regular basis. The department has regular 'town halls' for 30 minutes etc etc.

There are people, before COVID-19 started, where I work, always worked remotely due to geological distance, and would never come into the office. These people were treated as equals, just as valuable as any one else.

Fortunately, some companies are more flexible than what you describe, and can manage WFH on a partial or full time basis very well, and realize that WFH can be beneficial to offer staff a choice of how frequent they come into the office.
 
People...go to work at your workplace or find another job where you don't have to. It's rather simple - don't rant. I'd go work at Apple if I was young and hip. But I'm old and retired. The world is full of options.
 
Here’s one way to slowly (or maybe quickly) get your employees back into the office. A pay cut of 20-25% beginning in September if you want to continue working all week from home and another 10% in December. When you come back to the office, your pay will be fully restored.
 
You know that is approaching a political stance. The pandemic cannot be utilized as a argument against returning to work because your own opinion doesn't agree with the employer who is going by what the state/county has approved as acceptable activity.
No, the political stance is saying “these people should work on-site at their jobs” because “these other people in not only different jobs and companies but entirely different industries have returned to on-site work” to the exclusion of all other variables.
 
All the people screaming “spoiled brats“ clearly have not a work from home job :D
all that envy here… are you living in the old ages? Industry has to evolutionize. And working from home with more flexibility should be taken into consideration.
I‘m don‘t share all their demands etc. but I understand that we shouldn‘t just convert back to the pre-covid days. We can take the things that improved over time into our nice new future.
I've been working from home for 4 years now and I still think they're spoiled brats.
 
Here’s one way to slowly (or maybe quickly) get your employees back into the office. A pay cut of 20-25% beginning in September if you want to continue working all week from home and another 10% in December. When you come back to the office, your pay will be fully restored.

incremented back to full at the same rate and schedule in which it was decreased.
 
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And this is what I'm getting at. It works for YOU. If the company wants people to return to the office, it's not working for them. The subtlety here is important. People like to point to their own personal productivity and throughput but the company's total value and performance is not about a single vector of productivity.

If it works for the company, and they want to do 100% remote, more power to them. But there are many valid reasons for companies to want people to come back. For the most part, it's because they don't want the work to be transactional. Low risk in a startup. The bigger the company, the more complex it gets.
So what is wrong with this letter? It works for those individuals too.
 
The conversation has lost all meaning and context at this point. WFH might be more productive than being in the office but the details of the situation matter.

Fortune 50 or fortune 50 wannabe? 5 employees or 50,000? Company business….regulated industry? Types of jobs; IT or non-IT? Excerpt or non-excempt? Etc
Sorry I am not too good with metaphors sometimes. And yeah, obviously. Can a construction worker work from home? Can someone working on the new 14/16 laptop chassis work from home? Do they have a lab where they can design and interact with the product? Probably not.
 
You think meetings to discuss ideas or collaborate are just as good or better over video?? WOW 😂 ‘nO LoGIcAL juStiFicaTioN’.
Most regularly scheduled meetings with groups of people are a waste of time. If you really need to meet with someone to work on some aspect of a project you can schedule those as needed.
 
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People...go to work at your workplace or find another job where you don't have to. It's rather simple - don't rant. I'd go work at Apple if I was young and hip. But I'm old and retired. The world is full of options.
That is essentially what some of them are doing I bet. Trying to continue to work from home - they like Apple and want to stay as an Apple Employee, but they prefer to work from home. So I bet some will find other work. I know I will have a conversation with my boss if our return to work doesn't go in my favor. And it will be a serious consideration to look elsewhere that does offer fully remote work.
 
They all need to find new work. They knew the rules when they were hired.
Riiiiight, because the day people are hired at a job, the “rules” are frozen in carbonite and never change. Work policies, benefits, tools, modes of working…those are never amended.

These people are advocating for themselves by requesting changes. If they don’t happen, of course the advocates can leave, and some already have.

…but if you think that company policies shouldn’t ever change past a hire date, and think that any potential attrition of your workforce is an acceptable cost to that rigidity…then I hope you’re not a CEO.

Your point doesn’t even make sense and isn’t consistent, because Apple themselves are changing “the rules” that were in place when these people were hired. So should the workers and company stay with the original upon-hire rules or not?!?
 
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The environmental impact request is stupid. As if those same people aren’t leaving their house and driving other places?

Huh? I’ve been working from home since last March and I’ve barely put any mileage on my vehicle. Times that by thousands of others and it makes a huge difference. Unnecessary commuting is so wasteful and this past year has made many people realize that.
 
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You think meetings to discuss ideas or collaborate are just as good or better over video?? WOW 😂 ‘nO LoGIcAL juStiFicaTioN’.
Yes, there is a lot of side talk involved in group meetings. The "team bonding" that people have brought up, that tends to lead co workers to become friends and just talk about random things during important meetings and things. Causes a distraction to the rest of us. Where while working remote they can just chat on Teams.
 
No, the political stance is saying “these people should work on-site at their jobs” because “these other people in not only different jobs and companies but entirely different industries have returned to on-site work” to the exclusion of all other variables.
Yeah perhaps a better spin to this. The news is looking at this differently then us.

Apple adds 2-week work-from-anywhere benefit to hybrid office return—will it catch on? - CNBC

For other companies considering the move, a work-from-anywhere perk could be an attractive bonus to flexible work, but “if that’s all they’re offering and not in addition to being able to work from home on some weekdays, I’d say don’t even bother,” Lister says.

Offering a limited work-from-anywhere option could be a compromise to encourage employees to stay in a city where their employer is located, or return if they’ve moved away in the last year. Local tax, employment and compliance laws make it difficult for companies to operate on a fully work-from-anywhere model.

But noting that many people already find it difficult to disconnect from work during their paid time off, Lister refers to the flex-time perk as a “working vacation” that Americans are already accustomed to: “I don’t think it’ll add too much to attraction and retention efforts.”
 
I had to move to a new city (and can barely afford the rent) for my job. It’s not awfully inclusive of my employer to not allow me to work from the middle of nowhere.

This is going to reveal a huge gap in the workforce. They were blessed, honestly, to be able to work from home. Not many people, including warehouse and delivery people, had that luxury.
 
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What a bunch of self serving entitled whiny babies…no one is forcing you to work for apple. There are plenty of other employers you can go work for that are 100% remote. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Your days of slacking at home are over
 
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You know that is approaching a political stance. The pandemic cannot be utilized as a argument against returning to work because your own opinion doesn't agree with the employer who is going by what the state/county has approved as acceptable activity.
My point is that both perspectives are motivated by personal gain. And again, the employees here have an obligation to push the issue. It seems clear that employers benefited greatly from the pandemic and a 'return to normal' should come with significant expense for them.
 
What a bunch of self serving entitled whiny babies…no one is forcing you to work for apple. There are plenty of other employers you can go work for that are 100% remote. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Your days of slacking at home are over
What non-sense is it to speak like employers are entitled to enter one's home without recourse? That's what occurred over the past year. These companies need more than a bite, they need to be neutered too.
 
Good points... And yeah, you're right, this is no different a conversation than when a bunch of boomers scream "They want $15 an hour to work the drive through??? When I was their age I made a buck an hour and I didn't complain one time! Bootstraps and stuff!"
Boomers? The last baby boomers were born in 1964.
 
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