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Apple Stopped Supporting Carrier IQ in iOS 5, Complete Removal Coming in Future
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The handset manufacturers put it in. There is no way around that. It sits between the hardware level and the software level which is why its so hard to remove.
Now, as far as carriers wanting it on there, I can completely see that. What I can't see is how some handset manufacturers (Nokia and Apple) don't put it on there yet others do. Again, I blame the handset manufacturers because its obviously not an "all or nothing" situation.
I wouldn't be surprised if all were in cahoots to sell user data. Its a huge business. I still say OEMs are more to blame since they are the ones that install it, and some OEMs don't install it (Nokia) or use it for only diagnostics (Apple).
Please explain how this is "corrected"?
It's a start
I appreciate the stance and the proposed removal. My big question though is why it took "...wake of significant publicity" to get to this point, and, what else is being done without our knowledge, on our devices, for which we pay a premium sum of money? Like I said, it's a start, but hopefully not an end.
I appreciate the stance and the proposed removal. My big question though is why it took "...wake of significant publicity" to get to this point, and, what else is being done without our knowledge, on our devices, for which we pay a premium sum of money? Like I said, it's a start, but hopefully not an end.
Android doesn't collect any data by default, you have to opt in to allow collect location data
Actually CarrierIQ sends data when the phone isn't even activated. It doesn't matter whether you opt in or not, Carrier IQ works outside the operating system.
A team at work is testing phones as we speak over this debacle.
Either way, I stand by when I said that this kind of thing is everyone's burden and responsibility. Not only do the carriers and manufacturers need to be aware of and respect our privacy, but we as users need to take an active approach to ensure it.
Edit: Is it odd that I feel funny quoting myself?
I completely agree. It is ultimately our responsibility. That being said, does the EULA on all these devices specifically reference Carrier IQ or anything similar? Does it say that a 3rd party app will record text messages, phone calls and browsing history? If so then I definitely place the blame on the user for not sitting and reading through the EULA. Unfortunately, I have a feeling this is not being clearly articulated in the EULA, because if it was, there would be a lot less people opting in to use these phones. But honestly, I've never ready through them myself so I could be wrong
Then how come Nokia doesn't have it? Or Apple?
Its definitely the OEM's, they're the ones who are licensing and modding Android.
I don't know why. Maybe Carrier IQ isn't designed to work with their devices.
Apple had it up until iOS 5.0.
It's not OEMs. It's the carriers. Read a little bit more. The carriers are doing the modding. Again - read more about it (IE - on engadget).
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If it is entirely the responsibility of the OEMS, why doesn't the Sprint Nexus S 4g have CIQ? The HTC Nexus One?
I'd say both OEMs are responsible & the carriers as not every phone of the same model has the CIQ agent installed on every carrier.
Edit: Even RIM havd said the do not authorize or distribute CIQ yet there are rumours that some carrier customised versions of BlackBerry hardware have it installed.
chrono1081 said:
If it is entirely the responsibility of the OEMS, why doesn't the Sprint Nexus S 4g have CIQ? The HTC Nexus One?
I'd say both OEMs are responsible & the carriers as not every phone of the same model has the CIQ agent installed on every carrier.
Edit: Even RIM havd said the do not authorize or distribute CIQ yet there are rumours that some carrier customised versions of BlackBerry hardware have it installed.
Bingo! I don't really want to get into Android vs. iOS, but that whole line of thinking seems to me just a convenient way to get Google and all the hardware companies off-the-hook, which IMO, is crap. Google and Samsung and HTC and everyone else could exert more control over their product to ensure that the carriers don't do this if they actually cared, but they don't seem to give a rip so they are every bit as much to blame for this as the carriers are.
Still, I'm happy to see Apple come forward and acknowledge it instead of playing pass-the-buck.
This kind of thinking reminds me of the old Wintel era where users calling for support to Microsoft would be directed to the hardware maker who would direct them to the software maker who would direct them to Microsoft. The whole team gets the blame when there's a failure.
The truth is we don't know at this point definitively. It's possible the carriers haven't/didn't install it on every device but just ones they handpicked. Maybe it was a cost/licensing issue and they didn't do it across the board.
WOW if you believe this you are seriously an idiot.
1st of all. If it was no longer supported why leave traces behind.
Sounds like a sloppy job. But you apple lovers dont see this far.
2nd of all. Why did apple not disclose this at all previously?
3rd why not all their products? Better yet they have 3 mobile devices. iPod, iPhone, iPad.
why one still crris it and why did you choose not to fully remove it from ALL if you really cared?
It is amazing to me how some of you are so enamored with apple that you fail to use logic and common sense. This statement to me reads.
Get over it, well just figure out away to make your forget it and somehow hide it even further. If you for one second believe that apple is willing to loose all this data then you are INSANE!! tomorrow when YOU die. Dont expect a "you will be remembered card from apple"
1st of all. If it was no longer supported why leave traces behind.
Sounds like a sloppy job. But you apple lovers dont see this far.
2nd of all. Why did apple not disclose this at all previously?
3rd why not all their products? Better yet they have 3 mobile devices. iPod, iPhone, iPad.
why one still crris it and why did you choose not to fully remove it from ALL if you really cared?
It is amazing to me how some of you are so enamored with apple that you fail to use logic and common sense. This statement to me reads.
Get over it, well just figure out away to make your forget it and somehow hide it even further. If you for one second believe that apple is willing to loose all this data then you are INSANE!! tomorrow when YOU die. Dont expect a "you will be remembered card from apple"
I wonder if the disclosure of the specific means Fusion (Carrier IQ being their tool) is capturing virtually all secret info from all Android handsets will in some way become widespread public information and concern to the point there is a backlash not against puny IQ but against the government that delivered it. You know, and susceptible Android handsets of all brands.
I wonder how long this message will dwell.
Rocketman
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1156877184684.shtm
http://judicialmisconduct.blogspot.com/2011/03/fusion-center-locations-and-information.html
http://tc.indymedia.org/2010/mar/su...aring-pops-tuesday-specs-found-harris-stingra
I wonder how long this message will dwell.
Rocketman
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1156877184684.shtm
http://judicialmisconduct.blogspot.com/2011/03/fusion-center-locations-and-information.html
http://tc.indymedia.org/2010/mar/su...aring-pops-tuesday-specs-found-harris-stingra
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None of Googles handsets by HTC or samsung have CIQ installed.
This whole thing is limited to a few models of carrier branded handsets as even my GSM Galaxy S 2 (non stock Android modified by Samsung) is devoid of any CIQ software.
inkswamp said:
None of Googles handsets by HTC or samsung have CIQ installed.
This whole thing is limited to a few models of carrier branded handsets as even my GSM Galaxy S 2 (non stock Android modified by Samsung) is devoid of any CIQ software.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Google is at the top of the Android pyramid. They're the boss. They could exert more control over the platform to ensure quality and security but they don't. They wash their hands of it under the guise of being "free and open" which just translates as corporate irresponsibility in my book.
I have said Android, Carrier IQ is not part of Android. If you want you can say some Android handsets collects data, then I will say, yes
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It seems that only USA handsets have Carrier IQ installed so it's more about carriers than OEM's
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And how can they prevent it?
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Can you point me to the press release where Google have washed their hands of this?
Up until yesterday, many people on this forum didn't know this software was even integrated in to iOS saying "Apple will never allow this as they have total control over iOS".
There is so much we don't know at this point that it may be a mistake.to point the blame (of course, you are welcome to your opinions)
Does CIQ have the same level of access on Samsung handsets (so far the only examples I've seen are of HTC hardware). What about the supposed millions of feature phones that have CIQ installed on it? Why is it not on all devices on the same carrier by the same OEM?
Google may be king of the hill when it comes to Android but they've chosen not go install it on any of their handsets. We don't know the ins and outs of any licencing between Google, carriers and OEMs either so a lot of this is speculative at this point (my thoughts included).
inkswamp said:
Can you point me to the press release where Google have washed their hands of this?
Up until yesterday, many people on this forum didn't know this software was even integrated in to iOS saying "Apple will never allow this as they have total control over iOS".
There is so much we don't know at this point that it may be a mistake.to point the blame (of course, you are welcome to your opinions)
Does CIQ have the same level of access on Samsung handsets (so far the only examples I've seen are of HTC hardware). What about the supposed millions of feature phones that have CIQ installed on it? Why is it not on all devices on the same carrier by the same OEM?
Google may be king of the hill when it comes to Android but they've chosen not go install it on any of their handsets. We don't know the ins and outs of any licencing between Google, carriers and OEMs either so a lot of this is speculative at this point (my thoughts included).
Are you going to continue to pretend ignorance, despite the fact that we've had this conversation several times today?
A guess? I clearly described that Google can impose licensing restrictions on manufacturers who choose to use Google apps and the Android trademark. What part is a guess?
Again?
Google can do what they already considered in the past:
http://www.businessinsider.com/goog...separate-issue-some-software-called-logmein-9
Simply add that requirement to the agreement. The CDD mentioned in that e-mail is the:
"Compatibility Definition Document (CDD)
For each release of the Android platform, a detailed Compatibility Definition Document (CDD) will be provided. The CDD represents the "policy" aspect of Android compatibility."
So a new agreement is made for every new Android release.
http://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html