If you do some research, you'll see that company profits have been increasing, whilst worker wages have stagnated. So your little idea there is completely besides the point.
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Apple Stops Signing iOS 16.3.1 to Prevent Downgrading
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No other company who provides OS updates does this so why should Apple? I think it's fairly common sense that more features = more energy needed to operate. That combined with naturally decreasing battery health is obvious that users aren't going to get the same battery life consistently over time.
Of course iOS 6 will always be more battery efficient than iOS 16. I think you're operating under the impression that Apple seems to insinuate iOS 16 uses less battery than iOS 6 which I think the majority does not assume.
The general idea is that major iOS releases introduced new features such as lower power mode and optimized battery charging to maintain performance and longevity of the battery. They're not talking about every single point release improving battery life which you seem to assume. Of course many point releases resolve bugs that may drain battery so they're talking about that too.
So you like to play with other peoples money as long as yours isn’t on the line. Why don’t you lead by example? So do as I say and not as I do? Also citation.
I’m not aware of many business where salaries fluctuate with revenue. That would mean bad consequences for workers in lean years, and yet many companies ont operate like that.
Users already decide if they want to upgrade and apple has already published the specs for the phone in their website. Additionally if you use the phone differently because of a feature date your battery life could drop.
That’s not honest that’s dishonest because they don’t. Well maybe some did and some didn’t. But it’s not a general phenomena.
Battery life can still be maximized within operating conditions.
No poles updates are not harmful.
The truth is apples updates dk t harm battery life in modern phones. Why should apple listen to your anecdotal evidence?
I agree with this, I was just rephrasing what they said.
I’m not assuming anything, Apple directly states that updates help.
“Batteries, maximising performance:
Tips for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch
Update to the latest software.
Always make sure your device is using the latest version of iOS.”This is entirely false, as doing this will only guarantee worse battery life.
They are indirectly saying that, in order to maximise battery, I should update my iPhone Xʀ from iOS 12, or my 6s from iOS 10, which is false.
Which again, is misleading at least. They did introduce those features, but those features can’t counteract iOS updates’ harmfulness.
Low Power Mode on any version of iOS helps relative to itself, on the same iOS version, but it can’t match the original version of iOS, if updated far enough.
If the advice were truthful:
“Battery life is best on a device when it is on its original iOS version. Updates will eventually degrade battery life, but some point updates introduce bugs which are fixed in subsequent iOS versions from the same major release (major version updates will most likely decrease battery life. Battery-extending features like Low Power Mode help relative to them being off on the same iOS version, but don’t expect them to make miracles). There’s nothing like the original version of iOS, which we won’t let you downgrade to because reasons”.
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Good luck getting anywhere near specs with an updated device, if updated far enough.
“Some did and some didn’t” would be the most misleading thing ever. Yes, some early major updates are fine (typically, the first major update), but like I said, eventually iOS updates are harmful. If it’s not the first major update, it’s the second.
This is true! And that’s exactly what I’m saying: maintain the rest of the (very helpful) information, and only remove the iOS updates recommendation, which is false.
Because the truth is that they are harmful, and planned obsolescence. Of course Apple will never sabotage themselves by admitting to it, because why should they?
Apple’s first troubleshooting step is to update, because it’s the easiest first step. They would have to change that, too.
For iPhone X and later luck is not needed.
Are you talking past or current. Recent iPhones at least newer than the x don’t have issues on iOS 16. 32 bit devices as discussed did take a hit.
It’s not false. And historically MR posters reports in battery life for various iOS versions are all over the place.
That’s your anecdotal conclusion, not a factual conclusion.
Yes. Do you want products to be affordable. If so compromises in the manufacturing and production have to be made. That is called planned obsolescence. If you’re insinuating apple purposefully kills it’s devices to spur sales, you would be dead wrong.
Obviously they aren’t.
While they’re better than earlier devices (so far. We’re not at the end of their update lifespan yet), they aren’t like-new. We’ve been over this.
Interestingly, some 32-bit devices are better as far as battery life goes, than 32-bit devices. The iPhone 5c on iOS 10 is decent battery life-wise, unlike the iPhone 6s through 8 (Plus models included). Performance-wise? Unusable.
Original version reports are logical: heavy use, worse battery life.
This is not about manufacturing.
Yes, and they’re wrong.
except no, one of the iOS updates introduced optimized battery charging which preserves battery health
if we're to take the extreme literal sense of "Batteries - Maximising Performance" (as you seem to be doing), then it really is maximizing amount of work done for given amount of energy. definition of performance is "the action or process of performing a task or function.". since new iOS updates have more "work" or "tasks" due to new features/routines, we should expect more energy used.
the battery is taking on more work, therefore less on screen time is expected. but more work per unit of energy is being outputted = maximizing performance as APIs are getting optimized.
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Battery health is irrelevant if the device isn’t updated anyway, and if it is updated, it matters, but iOS updates by themselves obliterate battery life, so it isn’t key.
Intentionally or otherwise, it doesn’t matter. I have always stated that it doesn’t matter whether iOS updates degrade iOS devices on purpose, only that they do
I do. If you don’t allow downgrading, then you better make sure it’s good. Otherwise, you’re at fault. (You being Apple, of course).
I’m going to reply to this edit, because honestly what is this argument?
Maximising the battery’s performance, i.e., maximising battery life. There is no other interpretation.
You are correct. Apple treats their customers like kids, and sometimes doesn’t give them a choice to be self-destructive like downgrade to an operating system with major security vulnerabilities. The way Apple looks at it is when the news headline says “ iPhone users hacked, private photos, and banking account information compromised” it’s not going to mention the user uninstalled a security patch. It’s just going to be “Apple bad, iPhone bad.”
You are right that you have a choice. I think everyone knows when you buy an iPhone you’re buying into the wonderful walled garden and hand holding by Tim Cook. If you don’t want that, why would you buy an iPhone? There are so many android phones out there that allow you to do whatever you want. I mean Google does a bit of hand holding, but not as bad as Apple. If you don’t want to deal with Google, there’s even other operating systems.
100% wrong. maximum performance of a battery is maximizing output for given amount of energy.
This makes no sense.
maximizing battery performance does not equal to maximizing on screen time.
good is subjective. Apple thinks the new features are worth less on screen time (which is still maximizing performance)
I disagree. The only thing that matters is screen-on time with a person’s usage.
iOS updates equal reduced screen-on time, the rest is decoration.
we're not talking about what "matters" to an individual. we're talking about what it means to "maximize battery". maximize literally means "make the best use of".
battery is taking on more work with every update with new features. maximizing the battery does NOT mean to extend on screen time more than before. it means to make the best use of the energy from the battery.
i'm treating this like we're in court. in this sense, legally, you're wrong. apple's article is literally true.
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It does, have you tried it?
No, both standby and screen-on time. You don’t want to introduce standby time into the argument.
(See: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ad.2376100/page-4?post=32036518#post-32036518)
I - and many - don’t. I disagree, it’s not maximising performance, it’s the opposite.
Note that I have no qualms with Apple (and any users) thinking that features and app compatibility are worth the degraded performance and battery life. I have an issue with Apple forcing it. By not allowing downgrading, they force it.
Obviously, it would be ideal if I could have my cake and eat it too. I’d love it if I could update and maintain performance and battery life until Apple chooses not to support my devices, but I have to acknowledge reality: that will not be the case. It hasn’t been thus far, and I’ve seen no indications that would let me believe otherwise.
I have nothing else to say on this, I think I’ve made my point.
As always, thank you for the interesting discussion.
Improving screen-on time over previous update is not something Apple said. You're wrong.
Maximizing screen-on time is something Apple said. And you can maximize screen-on time despite having *less* screen-on time compared to older versions because they added new features.
That's what subjective is
I think you finally realized what it means to "maximize" and now you're wanting out of this discussion. It really shows when you're trying to distance yourself from the Apple article you linked.
You can maximize battery life while at the same time decreasing on-screen time due to new tasks and features. If you can't understand that objective fact, I can't help you.
Yes, and updating iOS is not a part of that, hence the advice is wrong. The article would be perfect without that segment.
The part that it’s subjective is whether irreversibly degrading battery life for features and app support is worth it.
Apple thinks that it’s worth it, that’s subjective, and they force their subjective choice on users by disallowing downgrades.
I am not. You are wrong about the maximising aspect, and the discussion has run its course.
The only correct interpretation of “I recommend to update to maximise the battery’s performance” is, “updates increase SOT”. That is false.
You can maximise battery life while decreasing on-screen time due to new tasks and features, like you said, and that is achieved by all of the other very good advice from the article. But not by updating iOS. My point is very clear.
With an iPhone X and beyond (and this includes the xr, iOS 16 is similar in battery life and performance to iOS 12. (Regardless of the condescending “we’ve been over this before or confusing conclusions based on facts or or conclusions based on anecdotal experiences.)
You can update to iOS 16 and get a lightweight battery pack. (Which I always have travelled with if I’m not within shot of a charge), and with this address three pain points:
- functionality
- vulnerabilities
- battery life both with the battery pack and update.
(An update has the potential of fixing a battery life issue in an original release)
Firstly, I wanted to apologise if I ever came across as condescending. It was never, and it will never be, my intention.
I said that because I’d simply be repeating arguments. And a battery pack does mitigate the issue. I’ve even gone further than that: I’m not sure I’d even need it. Perhaps battery life on the Xʀ on iOS 16 is decent enough for me not to need it, even if it is far worse than on iOS 12.
By principle, I refuse to compromise on that point. Yes, it’s a personal choice, and one whose drawbacks are very clear (I have always stated that there are very awful drawbacks about staying behind), but I like the original versions’ advantages too much to compromise on anything at this point in time.
I’d get no advantages through updating now, because there’s nothing iOS 12 cannot do (that I need). For others, iOS 12 would be an unacceptable compromise. I would definitely understand.
In fact, while I always recommend everyone not to update, I mention that eventually staying behind can be too annoying (I have said that my 6s on iOS 10 would be useless to me as a main phone).
I’ve said that while I regret Apple forcing me to update my 9.7-inch iPad Pro to iOS 12, battery life is significantly worse, but not abhorrent, and totally usable. Performance is detectably worse, but very close to iOS 9, and I don’t mind the performance dip, honestly. The battery life does bother me more. But it’s not unusable.
My point about the battery pack was not clear and was not meant to make up for “supposed deficiencies” but to make sure one has battery power when they need it.
If your routine is such that you are within 15 feet of a charger all day…you don’t need a battery pack. But if you are like many commuters, ride public transit, varying signal quality, run out of juice your job stops…why risk it? Take along a battery pack. When I ride the rails 50 miles to the big city I would never assume my battery will last one commuters day.