Not true? If workers are all sick, or there is some union action… or people have to do things… restricted number of workers… this isn’t true?
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Apple Store in Maryland Makes History by Voting to Unionize
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Lol hard won benifits.....more like unionist extortion
Hello, supply chain here.
The US doesn’t have all the suppliers - nor access to raw materials - like they once did …
No, the problem was President Reagan and the Republicans starting in 1980. They realized that the Democrats derived most of their funding from unions, so they sought to kill unionization. And it worked. It used to be that more than 30% of jobs were union, now it's 10%. The corporations have total control without any unions to represent workers.
It literally says living wage, then defines it, what did you find difficult to parse?
It massively succeeded, especially in the post-war era through the 70s, when unions could keep up pressure. Min wage stopped being a living wage at the same time general incomes started flatlining and unions started collapsing.
There’s a lot of factors involved but the biggest ones really have to do with policy. In particular while the right had hated the new deal it really started being explicitly targeted with Nixon and then super ramped up with Reagan - especially since Reagan specifically targeted unions as well as social services and new deal policies.
Min wage, and wages in general, should be much higher than they are today.
To the rest of your point since goods don't track labor costs at anywhere close to a 1:1 had wages kept up while prices would be higher today in dollar amounts they would be proportionately lower indexed against people’s income.
Right now the situation we have is that worker productivity has continued to rise while wages have mostly stagnated, plus inflation, and so: goods have gotten more expensive relative to income, less money is flowing through the general economy and is instead pooling at the top which is ultimately damaging to everyone, rent is through the ceiling for most folks, and corp profits are super crazy high.
We need unions like this store, we need a higher min wage, and we need it sooner than later
My dad was a truck driver, and part of a union. He had great wages and benefits and loved his job. The union kept pushing for more, though, and the company finally decided it wasn't worth it and let everyone go. My dad refused to work any jobs with a union after that. I am not necessarily against unions, but I don't see them as a sum positive either.
The short time I was in the IAM, in Maryland, it was a 'closed' state. If you wanted to work for the company, and they had a union, it was not a choice. You were forced to join. I wonder if it is still that way?!?
If it was a union job, salary was not.
If it was a union job, salary was not.
I work in a union. Best pay and benefits I’ve ever had. But… they are the best places to work for average/lazy employees. If you work hard, you’ll get the same raise as everyone else. Seniority rules all. Even promotions go by seniority so the laziest worst employee can get promoted if they stay long enough. Bets pay, worst environment.
I pay well over $5k/yr to my union, but I earn substantially more than that as a result of being a union member, not to mention all the advantages that don't have a dollar value.
So regardless of how I feel about unions in general, there's a financial advantage for me to be part of one.
OHHHH, this whole time you were being SARCASTIC … instead of actually railing against the lazy, unwashed masses who dare think that they deserve the ability to band together and negotiate for wages and benefits that better represent the value they provide for their employers, such as one of the richest publicly-traded corporations in the history of the planet! I’m sorry. I didn’t realize you were doing a bit. My bad. My bad.
It would be nice to live in a utopian society where unions aren’t necessary. And yes, some unions are bad and some unions push too far and some unions do more harm than good. You can say the same thing of any organization with human involvement: businesses, governments, religious organizations, and, hell, Boy Scout troops. But y’all thinking that unions are de facto bad, that workers are de facto entitled and lazy and undeserving of an avenue for protecting themselves against the predations of an economic system wherein executive pay has come completely off the rails while worker compensation has stagnated in comparison, is grossly ignorant and shows a level of classism that is, frankly, disgusting and shameful.
Why would you assume all workers are lazy and unwashed?
I'm not anti workers. I'm anti union.
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The high turnover is because retail jobs are mostly filled by younger people looking to pay the bills while they search for better jobs more suited to their education level.
You’re not anti-worker only so long as they don’t step out of what you perceive as “their lane,” that’s for sure …
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Stop putting words in my mouth and stop making accusations!!!
I come from a working class family. I feel good workers should always get compensated appropriately. As I said previously in this thread, if you want to get paid more, make yourself indispensable.
There's a saying, "the customer is always right." In Europe, EU or not, the customer is always wrong.
I'm interested to know how you come to that conclusion.
How do you know that if you weren't in a union that your wages might not have been equal, or say 5k less which would actually be a break even for you.
As best I can tell most unions collect between 1-2%:
Union dues explained
Dues are a regular payment from members that fund their union. They finance crucial union operations like contract negotiations and enforcement, organizing, and member-driven programs. It's one of the most common questions about unionizing so let's break down the basics.
guide.unitworkers.com
At 2% dues that would put you at >$250k/yr, at 1% dues >$500k/yr, at 4% >125k/yr, if true needing a union to negotiate for you is fairly sad.
If you really make that then I assume you have specific education/skills. I would think you could do much better on your own.
Unless you are these guys:
Los Angeles Lifeguard Made $392,000 in 2020 Thanks To Public Sector Union Policies
Seven lifeguards in Los Angeles made more than $300,000 a year including benefits, and 82 made more than $200,000, government watchdog group OpenTheBooks found.The top-paid lifeguard made $392,000 in compensation in 2020, and 31 lifeguards made between $50,000 and $131,000 in just...
"Lifeguards can retire at age 55 and get 79% of their pay for life." - No wonder Cali is the mess that it is! You can retire and collect 79% of your pay for the next 40years or so?!?!?! All on the taxpayers dime and for being a "professional" lifeguard. WOW. No wonder California is bleeding population.
I challenge any of the pro-union folks to read that article and defend lifeguards making that much money, I'll wait.....
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Can’t believe Apple Store employees are in a hurry to pay another Tax sorry “dues” to yet another entity that will embezzle and squander it.
It's not so much that the companies are ripping off the lower level employees, so much as severely under-valuing their contributions and severely over-valuing the contributions of the top level executives.
In 2020 time cook was paid just under $100 million.That's 1666 times my pay. That's just insane on so many levels I don't know where to start.
Is is critial to the company? maybe. I mean there's a succession plan in place, I'm sure for when he retires. Someone else CAN be CEO of Apple. Does he deserve to make well over my salary? Every. Single. Day?
I think no. CEO pay is whack. I read about engineers at Apple getting bonuses that would pay for my house. It's an insult to the work I do for Apple that there's this much pay disparity.
Personally, I don't care how much others make, CEOs or otherwise. I'm too busy being miserable about how much I make. I don't need to make myself even more miserable.
I just know my industry and know what everyone is making. One advantage of an industry being heavily unionized is that we all know what each other makes and the details of our contracts - for some reason it's become impolite in society to discuss salary, but that puts the worker at a pretty big disadvantage when it comes time to negotiate. I wouldn't buy a car without knowing exactly what everyone else is paying for it - why should I be expected to negotiate my pay without having the same knowledge?
For the record, it's 1.9%, but I don't make $500K either.