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Apple will just shut the store down and fire these people to set an example. Then open up shop some where else. Do it again or any other stores. This is how it will go. Bad PR or not. It would be worth it to them while still having record profits with minimal effect. At least this is what I would do being a money mad man with zero f’s to give about the employees. Mr. Cook sleeps well at night.
 
If you live in a state that is not right to work you are not still free to work without being a union member. People who voted to unionize are short sighted. They see an immediate benefit without recognizing the long-term consequences of it, fewer jobs and higher prices are only two of them.
That is weird. Here I can either be a union member on my workplace and get their benefits they have negotiated, or I can be outside the union and still work. If I have a dispute, the union won't intervene as long as I'm not a member.

Still higher prices come as a consequence of higher wages. If you want lower prices, then you should advocate for everything to be outsourced to China and import of as many immigrants as possible working for pennies on the dollar.
 
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It’s a shame Apple is hostile against unions and employees that want to unionize. It’s a basic right. Employees don’t have to join a union, but employers should never even be allowed to advice against them.

Apple is hostile against unions?

Apple already recognizes several unions and trade organizations internationally. Just because unions are a trainwreck in the US (and often a bad deal for employees, the company, or both) that doesn't mean they are reviled globally.
 
Apple is hostile against unions?

Apple already recognizes several unions and trade organizations internationally. Just because unions are a trainwreck in the US (and often a bad deal for employees, the company, or both) that doesn't mean they are reviled globally.
It seems like people forget about Apple retaining union labor during pandemic. WSJ published a story March 30, 2020, and Apple responded.

Contractors representing about three-fourths of the unionized janitors began this weekend telling workers they would lose wages and health-care benefits, according to Denise Solis, SEIU-United Service Workers West, a union that represents about 11,000 janitors in Northern California.
On Monday, in response to an inquiry from The Wall Street Journal, a spokeswoman said the janitors’ pay would continue. “We’re working with all of our suppliers to ensure hourly workers such as janitorial staff are being paid during this difficult time,” spokeswoman Kristin Huguet said after the Journal’s inquiry about the job elimination notices.
So do you guys now remember how contract labor was treated by Apple , instead of thinking Apple is against unions?
 
Can’t wait to see how committed Tim Cook is to leftist ideology. Guessing he’s going to fold like a cheap suit.
 
If employers treated their employee's fairly then there would be no need for unions. As this is an Apple related site, take the corporate level bosses at Apple, all of them making millions in wages and bonuses on the backs of their front line staff (retail and manufacturing) but yet are these employees financially rewarded for the hard work they put in, no they are not. They are told time and time again there is no money for wage increases or bonsues or extra perks for them but the company make damn sure that their corporate employees do get them and this is where a union can fight the employees cases by constantly bringing to attention the disparity. Are corporate level staff worth the millions in wages they get? hell no but who is there to try and change that? no one but a union. They can argue that more money should be given to front line employees who are the ones who are actually making the company it's money.

No CEO should be paid over a million $$$ in wages, no one. EVERYONE in the company should benifit from a companies success not just it's senior staff and if it takes being in a union to try and do that then so be it.
 
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So I googled around, the guy who made that much wasnt just a random lifeguard, he's the captain, the second ranking guy in the structure, and mostly a manager. He's more like the COO of a small corp that staffs beaches, does that help you make more sense of that?

Don't care if he's the General, $400/k a year?!?!

You failed to address this part:

Seven lifeguards in Los Angeles made more than $300,000 a year including benefits, and 82 made more than $200,000, government watchdog group OpenTheBooks found.

The top-paid lifeguard made $392,000 in compensation in 2020, and 31 lifeguards made between $50,000 and $131,000 in just overtime.

Lifeguards can retire at age 55 and get 79% of their pay for life.

Again, no wonder California is the complete mess that it is.
 
They are told time and time again there is no money for wage increases or bonuses


Don't make stuff up.

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More Apple stores may follow this. I wouldn’t be surprised but this seems like a bad move. Since Apple can easily close down this store and move its location. Thus, not having to deal with a union.

But that is generally against the law. An employer is threading a small needle when they take retaliatory moves against workers that have voted to unionize.

Starting a union isn't likely about 'just money'. I've worked in a few malls and it's a different world. One store, the 'back area' was a total disaster. Very 'rustic' with pipes and ducting all over the place, and unstable shelves and no place, no chairs, to take a break from being on your feet for the shifts. Another one, it was all plywood, and the backs of the displays and power cables running all over the place, and filthy restroom and a roughed in 'break area'. Other employers have made great strides to treat their employees with respect, actual dry walled rooms with doors and sinks and a counter, with chairs and actual tables. For people to spend the larger part of their lives in that occupation, making it comfortable goes a long way.

I was in a back store area at an Apple Store, and it was 'typical mall rustic'. Lots of plywood, barely finished drywall, the 'shop' area was rustic by most standards. The stockroom was filled with rough cheap shelves. Typical 'mall environment', with the apparently required narrow hallways, etc. Apple *could* do better. Mall stores could do better too. Taking care of your employees doesn't cut profitability, it increases workers feeling like they want to be there, and it shows in their interactions with customers, I feel...
 
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Well, we now know which Apple Store has the worst service in the world.

We can expect to see sexual harassment and assault rise in that store too, once the abusers make friends with the right people in the union (or the union leaders themselves will do it, as we see in the UAW)
I’ve been to this store for iPhone 3G replacement, a screen replacement, an iMac in 2010, and to buy my iPhone XR, and I have no complaints about the service. Seeing this store operate was what convinced me to buy Apple stock.
 
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Don't care if he's the General, $400/k a year?!?!

You failed to address this part:

Seven lifeguards in Los Angeles made more than $300,000 a year including benefits, and 82 made more than $200,000, government watchdog group OpenTheBooks found.

The top-paid lifeguard made $392,000 in compensation in 2020, and 31 lifeguards made between $50,000 and $131,000 in just overtime.


Lifeguards can retire at age 55 and get 79% of their pay for life.

Again, no wonder California is the complete mess that it is.

This same hue and cry over salaries has happened hundreds of times, over and over. I remember people attacking doctors for their pay. Yes, some docs make way too much money, but how much is enough. Do you want to depend on your life to someone making $40,000? What should life guards make? $20,000? $15,000? Should they only be paid if they save a life?

For the record, teachers should be better paid, and education should be better funded, so if taking money from the lifeguards helps better fund education, that's not all bad. Not at all...
 
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Unionization makes little sense for retail employees. These are high turnover entry-level positions.

Many stores I've worked at have people that have worked there for YEARS. A grocery store had several employees that had worked there since the beginning of the store. Nearly 30 years. It's so not just teens using it for beer and gas money, and an escape from 'home life'...
 
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That's great. Now if only they had even a fraction of the knowledge of Apple products and services we have.
 
Employees who are treated well and fairly almost NEVER join unions.

If employers treat their employees with dignity and respect, they can avoid having a union shop. It's really easy for employers to keep unions out if they want to. Most people don't care about being in a "union" they just want to be treated as valued employees.

Full disclosure. I am a unionized employee. I am not always happy with my union, but the few times I had a jerk boss who wanted by behind, they took care of it. The guy had a history of messing with employees and it was documented through the union. When I got sick (really really sick) he tried to sabotage my return to work and they helped me with it. I am still employed there.

The other thing I am supportive of unions for is collective bargaining. My employer is in the habit of giving crap raises. Until we went to collective bargaining, we were grossly underpaid.

As indivisual employees, we were subjects. As a union, we were partners in the process and were able to secure reasonable wage increases and a career ladder that encouraged seasoned employees to stay after they could have left. This was a benefit to the employee and the employer.


If you don't want a union getting in your business, just treat your employees well and you won't have to deal with it...
 
From the article:

“after efforts by Apple to calm down unionization efforts.”​
!! Talk about Orwellian prose! !!

How about ”block”, “disrupt”, “undermine”, etc.?

”Calm down” is a markedly pro-Apple construction.

It makes it sound as if the employees and organizers were an excitable lot, as if the union efforts were merely a rambunctious outbreak that has no genuine concerns. It's as if Apple were a kind teacher gently telling her noisy charges to “settle down” and “get back in your seats” — or were an advert for an anti-itch medication — “it calms down the prickliness”.

Contrast MR's milquetoast phrasing with other tech and major news reporting!

Apple Insider

“stamp out burgeoning retail worker unionization efforts” “dissuade organizing employees” “Apple has instructed store leaders to warn employees that they could lose career growth opportunities, personal time off, and merit-based promotions.”​
“Apple is pushing the narrative that a union prevents teamwork.”​


9 to 5 Mac

Apple taps same legal team as Starbucks for unionization fight ahead”​

“working with anti-union lawyers”. “the company has been spreading anti-union messaging during meetings. “There’s a lot of misinformation that’s been spread trying to scare the masses,” the employee said.”​

The Verge

“oppose workers organizing for better pay and working conditions.”​
“By retaining the notorious union busting firm Littler Mendelson, Apple’s management is showing that they intend to try to prevent their employees from exercising their right to join a union by running the same playbook as other large corporations,” said CWA Secretary-Treasurer Sara Steffens”​
New York Times

“[Apple] released a video of Deirdre O’Brien, who leads Apple retail, cautioning employees that joining a union could hurt the company’s business.”​
“management telling workers that unions once prohibited Black employees from joining their ranks. …Ms. O’Brien visited the store and thanked everyone for their hard work.”​
“Soon after… They also started to pull employees into one-on-one meetings where managers highlighted the cost of union dues.”​
The correct phrase is “union-busting”!

What's remarkable is that, in the face of all that undue, unwarranted, and possibly illegal pressure, the employees voted by a nearly TWO TO ONE margin to unionize! (65 to 33) The result was a pro-union landslide.

Apple also deliberately disrespects its own policies and professed commitments.
The Guardian

“Workers organizing criticized Apple’s response to union organizing drives as contradictory to the company’s supplier code of conduct and Apple’s human rights policy.”​
”Apple’s own internal policy on human rights also cites the company adheres to respecting internationally recognized human rights “as set out in the United Nations International Bill of Human Rights and the International Labour Organization’s Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work”.​
“members have an obligation to realize, promote and respect freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective bargaining.”​

With all its money and power, and huge profit margins, Apple could easily support unionization, create worker-manager policy councils, provide union employee representation on its board, improve working conditions, and spread economic democracy and human rights.

Returning jobs to the U.S. would be good, too.
 
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