It all depends on the circumstances. You make it sound like you couldn't defend yourself, which of course you can. You simply don't have a free pass to killing someone. You know, there ARE shades of grey of self defense, do you?
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It all depends on the circumstances. You make it sound like you couldn't defend yourself, which of course you can. You simply don't have a free pass to killing someone. You know, there ARE shades of grey of self defense, do you?
Huh? Isn't this the guy the riots are about?
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/blazes-in-tottenham-after-protest
I'm curious, are they born as criminals? Or might it just be possible to buy a gun, and THEN become a criminal?
But then I wouldn't know about that. I'm not free.
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The Apple store is not a home
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The Apple store is not a home
The riot's aren't anything to do with Duggan getting killed. The initial spark in Tottenham was, but since it has just become loads of children (10-17yr olds) breaking stuff, burning stuff and stealing stuff. No political agenda or reasoning behind it, just skanky chavs bred from skanky parents that just don't give a rats arse about anything.
This is not about entitlement, it is about having no jobs, and no opportunity; people not vested in their community/country/society do not care if they rip it down. And this is a worldwide phenomenon. People who do not see a correlation between this and what is happening in Israel, Egypt and much of the Arab world are choosing to bury their head in the sand. This is going to get a lot worse before it get's better; there are great deal more unemployed people than police.
I'm sure my response will be voted down in that I'm disputing feelings with facts, but we see where the US is now from voting by feelings for "Hope and Change" with the last presidential election.
Yes, Rodney King does ring a bell. And the only stores that were not looted or burned were defended by asians with guns. Research the Korean armed resistance during the LA Riots.
Also, occurred only after firearms were federally banned in schools. Here's some reading: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp
The US locations listed by posters as being dangerous are all the most restrictive to firearms ownership in the country. Here in Florida, around 1.6 million, or approximately 1 in 10 adults are licensed to carry a concealed firearm.
This past week in Tampa Bay, I'm aware of at least TWO incidents where an armed robber was shot by an armed citizen. Florida is a "stand your ground" state. When rioters start looting and burning buildings occupied by *citizens* in Florida, let me know.
I hear they report lots of stabbings on the news in London...
Yes, Rodney King does ring a bell. And the only stores that were not looted or burned were defended by asians with guns. Research the Korean armed resistance during the LA Riots.
Also, occurred only after firearms were federally banned in schools. Here's some reading: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp
The US locations listed by posters as being dangerous are all the most restrictive to firearms ownership in the country. Here in Florida, around 1.6 million, or approximately 1 in 10 adults are licensed to carry a concealed firearm.
This past week in Tampa Bay, I'm aware of at least TWO incidents where an armed robber was shot by an armed citizen. Florida is a "stand your ground" state. When rioters start looting and burning buildings occupied by *citizens* in Florida, let me know.
I hear they report lots of stabbings on the news in London...
Oh okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm just going by what I read on the msn news. Also I saw this on the youTube, makes it sound like the riots are a racial thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o
Apparently you don't remember the L.A. riots after the cops were found not guilty in the Rodney King beating. My dad had to work right in the middle of the riots. It was downright stupid.
Yes, stabbing is much more common than shooting here. Because although it's illegal to carry a knife in public shops still have to sell knives for legitimate reasons so they are easy to get hold of.
The UK has restricted guns nationwide, not in isolated areas. We now have one of the world's lowest gun homicide rates. Most of our police don't carry guns as there is no need.
Like I said before the murder rate in the UK is a quarter of the US. Only around 50 people a year are murdered in gun crimes. There are under 1000 murders by any means per year in the UK, whereas there are 12,500 a year in the US by guns alone. The population of the US is only 6 times that of the UK.
Actually 'homicide rate' usually means murders per 1000 members of the population so it has nothing to do with population.
We're allowed to bare our arms here too. Bearing arms, however, is a different matter.
Looks like, your conclusions are open to interpretation.
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~oliver/soc220/Lectures220/AfricanAmericans/LA Riot 1992 Deaths.htm
A great deal of death by gunshot in the '92 LA riots, but it appears the cops & store owners where not as successful at killing folks as those who may or may not have had their guns legally and who may or may not have had a criminal record before the riot. Assuming that all cop and store owners had "clean kills" in kill-or-be-killed situations, what seems pretty clear to me is there are at least 21 people who lost their ultimate freedom of life and liberty to the secondary freedom of gun ownership; four times the number killed in hand-to-hand struggles.
And yet you have free and open elections, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association, a capitalist economy, and public healthcare. Here in the US we are taught that a country without unregulated gun ownership and complete elimination of public services is either communist, fascist, nazi or muslim. Are you sure England is a country and not some make-believe island.
This is absolutely not true. You are entitled to defend your home and that includes whatever you may do "including Kill" someone who is threatening you in your home. What you cannot do is chase someone down the street who has just robbed your home and injure them in any way.
Once the threat to you and your home is ended you have no rights to take any further action. Check the law. In fact only three or so weeks ago this issue was reinforced when two intruders entered a business place with a gun and one was killed by the owner with a knife and I can assure you he is at home with no danger of being charged.
David Cameron and the Home secretary also reinforced this recently.
These riots are insane. i live in the north east of england and nothing is happening really but, down south it is mental, absolute scum.
if you cant afford things, work for them, i wanted a mac for 5 years and saved up for a year and got the new macbook pro never crossed my mind to riot n loot.
but these idiots are just smashing shops up and taking tvs and laptops etc.
Does my head in, why should they get it for free :S hope they go to jail.
if you cant afford things, work for them, i wanted a mac for 5 years and saved up for a year and got the new macbook pro
never crossed my mind to riot n loot.but these idiots are just smashing shops up and taking tvs and laptops etc.
Does my head in, why should they get it for free :S hope they go to jail.
Bare or Bear
Bare arms or bear arms ?
One seems fair enough, roll up your sleeves and protect your property...the other is just OTT.
Bare arms or bear arms ?
One seems fair enough, roll up your sleeves and protect your property...the other is just OTT.
Just to let you know that in Bath there has been no trouble at all. Apple store and everything is absolutely fine .
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Just to let you know that in Bath there has been no trouble at all. Apple store and everything is absolutely fine
Not sure if you're comment was tongue in cheek, but you really can't imagine anything kicking off in Bath
freedom to purchase a firearm isnt anymore free as not being able to purchase one for your own safety. i would rather have the chance that someone mugging me doesnt have a gun than both of us have a gun regardless of the mugging in the first place. if everyone had a gun the riots would be a million times worse, not only would the kids be killed but people defending whats theres too.
besides, apart from this i think the UK is a safer place than the US isnt it? or is that just dexter/CSI talking to me?