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Something on this scale would never happen in America because U.S. citizens have the right to bare arms and protect their homes and livelihoods.

Absolutely true.
Hey downvoters-Can't handle a little truth can ya?
 
To be fair it's in Liverpool, so the security has to be at its best regardless of riots.

Can I just say that's a rather moronic statement.

I live and work in Liverpool, I have done all my life and I feel safer in this city than any other in the UK, Liverpool One is about as safe as they come, they have emptied the shop as a precaution as some others have done the Currys Digital around the corner has removed the high value items such as TV's, Cameras and Laptops into the more secure stock room. Apple have took all the big ticket items such as iMac's, Macbook Pros and Air's etc into there stock room.

The City centre has been under Lock down since around 6pm, with a heavy Police presence and only minor trouble has been reported in the Smithdown Road area near the Toxteth end where most of the trouble was last night.
 
It is not a ridiculous statement. Frankly you wouldn't know because you do not have the freedom.

It's called raising the risk to reward ratio. If you see me standing there with a rifle the chances of you trying anything and the risk has now gone away from the reward. It wasn't said to kill looters or rioters. It's a deterent, and a damn good one. Many did it during the LA riots years ago here in CA.

Only 53 deaths and thousands of injuries. Pretty good deterrent. :rolleyes:
 
Something on this scale would never happen in America because U.S. citizens have the right to bare arms and protect their homes and livelihoods.


How old are you? Really...how old?

You must of missed the rioting and looting during Katrina.

You must of missed the rioting and looting and burning stores and cars during
The Rodney King riots.

You must have missed the rioting, murdering, looting and burning of everything during the Watts riots.

Gun ownership didn't do jack all in any of those cases.
 
You should probably educate yourself before you make ridiculous statements.

List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States

EVERY incident listed there occurred in a gun-restricted state, municipality or school zone, with the exception of the St Petersburg, FL riot, which occurred in a poor minority area; at Central avenue, outside of the ghetto, there were snipers posted on top of the buildings. The riots did not cross Central avenue.

Florida now has a state preemption laws, so the restrictive gun control laws of Miami are no longer legal.
 
This is not about entitlement, it is about having no jobs, and no opportunity; people not vested in their community/country/society do not care if they rip it down. And this is a worldwide phenomenon. People who do not see a correlation between this and what is happening in Israel, Egypt and much of the Arab world are choosing to bury their head in the sand. This is going to get a lot worse before it get's better; there are great deal more unemployed people than police.

Having lived in the UK, I can guarantee that many, if not most, of these unemployed people are living off of the government entitlement programs. As another poster noted, many of these people are young punks who have as many children as possible in order to get more government support money. And, this kind of looting is not what is happening in Israel.
 
Having lived in the UK, I can guarantee that many, if not most, of these unemployed people are living off of the government entitlement programs. As another poster noted, many of these people are young punks who have as many children as possible in order to get more government support money. And, this kind of looting is not what is happening in Israel.

This is sadly the case, the unemployed youth and the unemployable youth are making up the majority of the group's involved in the mass looting.
 
Maybe its just me, but I fail to understand why Scotland Yard refuses to take more definitive action such as bean bag guns or water cannons. Initially I can understand such hesitation. I was listening to NPR today and one of the heads there stated he refused to be the first leader of Scotland Yards to resort to such methods. But with such extensive damage and increasing pressure from locals, I would think they would appreciate swift action rather than amiable means.
 
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What an ignorant statement. Major Riots have happened in the United States almost on every decade since the 1900s.

Seriously! I went to CU Boulder and the student body would riot after football games, finals, 420... sometimes just on a random Friday night for no reason whatsoever. They'd justify it as partying but sorry, burning couches, cars, destruction of businesses and looting is not partying.

Yeah, the US is much more civilized.
 
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To be fair it's in Liverpool, so the security has to be at its best regardless of riots.

You have no idea about Liverpool, and presumably base your knowledge on the riots 30 years ago. Liverpool is a much safer city (usually) than many other though out the UK.
 
Wasn't there something form the 1990's? LA riots where the only store not to get looted was one selling Apple computers - I very much doubt it's appreciation of apple products, it was put town to the fact that the looters didn't know what computers were and hence their value. Unfortunately the scumbags these days are fully aware of value of tech.
 
That is a ridiculous statement to make. It really is. In the UK sure we don't have the right to own gun. This is down to some kind of deep root issue where guns would not have stopped this. The UK has issues and so does the US so don't dare think that just because you feel its ok to have guns this would not happen in the US. Imagine how much worse it would be if guns we aloud.

We do have the right to own a gun and is in the english Bill of Rights from 1689 and the right to have arms for our defence within the rule of law applies still today and was a predecessor to the US Bill of rights.
The difference is that gun ownership of which you have a right is licensed and controlled more effectively meaning gun ownership is low. hence why the UK has the lowest rates of gun crime in the world.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_po...#History_of_gun_control_in_the_United_Kingdom
 
Seriously! I went to CU Boulder and the student body would riot after football games, finals, 420... sometimes just on a random Friday night for no reason whatsoever. They'd justify it as partying but sorry, burning couches, cars, destruction of businesses and looting is not partying.

Yeah, the US is much more civilized.

Should've gone to CSU ;)
 
We do have the right to own a gun and is in the english Bill of Rights from 1689 and the right to have arms for our defence within the rule of law applies still today and was a predecessor to the US Bill of rights.
The difference is that gun ownership of which you have a right is licensed and controlled more effectively meaning gun ownership is low. hence why the UK has the lowest rates of gun crime in the world.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_po...#History_of_gun_control_in_the_United_Kingdom

That's one if the problems with the US Constitution- it's held up as a supreme document, when in reality it's a rather outdated piece of paper. It could do with a heavy re-draft! Gun ownership made sense in previous centuries, but because it's in this document some Americans go crazy about it's really hard to change.

The UK Bill of Rights wasn't that significant, even when first written. Most of it was just prodecural stuff. That's one of the advantages if having an uncodified constitution like we have here, it's very easy to change.

We have had a lot of destruction this week, but little death (although reports of a couple last night, but one may be a car accident, too early to say). Add guns to the mix and the death toll would just increase massively. Some Americans posting here seem to think this could never happen there (even though it already has) because Americans would all fight to protect themselves! When really civilians are most likely to run away when confronted with an armed mob, and it only takes one trigger happy guy 'defending' his home to start a bloodbath. Once again the stats speak for themselves- 50 gun deaths a year in the UK, 12,500 in the US and 4 times the murder rate.
 
Something on this scale would never happen in America because U.S. citizens have the right to bare arms and protect their homes and livelihoods.

I agree with you. I live in South Africa and if anyone enters my property I have a right to use my firearm. If that person threatens my life I have a right to blow their brains out. We have riots sometimes in SA, but the police just kill one or 2 of them and then it all stops :)
 
Bare arms or bear arms ? :rolleyes:

One seems fair enough, roll up your sleeves and protect your property...the other is just OTT. :eek:

This was just a big misinterpretation of the second amendment. What they had in mind was
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Lol, the rich british apple customers fear the streets.
 
Doesn't surprise me. Last I heard you had to pay for parking at Liverpool ONE, given the police budget cuts they probably couldn't stack police vans outside the Apple Store there without paying a hefty ticket.


But still we had the biggest riots in the UK for a very long time. Yet we only had 3 deaths. Yeah, that's 3 too many but I can only imagine how much worse it would have got if both sides were armed.
 
Something on this scale would never happen in America because U.S. citizens have the right to bare arms and protect their homes and livelihoods.

You need to go back and relearn your history. Watts 1964, 1993; Detroit 1943, 1967; New York, NY 1977; DC (Mt. Pleasant) 1991, just to name a few of the more serious ones involving looting, arson, and deaths. Then you get into the various sports related riots like in Chicago, Detroit, and LA.
 
Not sure if you're comment was tongue in cheek, but you really can't imagine anything kicking off in Bath :D

There had been rumours on Facebook that the rioting scum in Bristol were going to come over to Bath last night. Turned out to be completely false. (What was it gonna be, come have a riot then go home on the train?)
 
This is not about entitlement, it is about having no jobs, and no opportunity; people not vested in their community/country/society do not care if they rip it down.

Well they sure don't mind taking public welfare and benefits from the community/country/society they supposedly don't feel "vested" in. If they destroy it then who would feed these mooching hoodlums? If they have no opportunity it's not because of the state. There are plenty of layed off people who do not resort to mayhem but rather try to do something to improve their situation, not make it worse.
 
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