Nor sleepy Gloucester, but there was bother there last night too.
Things were mostly okay in Saddleworth. Thoguh there was a report of a hooded youth punching a tree.
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Things were mostly okay in Saddleworth. Thoguh there was a report of a hooded youth punching a tree.
My bus trip home from the football* last night took me through some of Hull's less salubrious parts, and the closest I came to witnessing widespread public disorder was a group of four or five teenagers chatting on a street corner.
*Funnily enough, no rioting at the football either. Who would have thought such a thing could be possible?
So instead of police "protecting and serving", you would have huge mobs going around shooting looters and hoodlums?
And they my ideas were extreme...
(I agree with you mac1984user, I wanted to quote Donnacha and misclicked
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I very much doubt they are worried about the value of the stock itself. They are more likely to be worried about the premises itself. If they remove the stuff, there is no reason to ransack the store, breaking windows etc.
If the store was badly damaged it would have to be closed for repairs which would mean the store was bringing in no money - which would be worse than losing a few k's worth of display kit.
I know. That incident made me really mad too, and most Canadians are embarrassed by what happened.
I simply don't get the mob mentality. If you were to hand me a baseball bat and say "Here, break the window and steal something", I'd tell you to piss off. I wouldn't do that because it's wrong. How does adding a hundred more people change that?
Humans are smart, PEOPLE are stupid
I did my thesis on behavioral economics and read a lot of research on rioting and looting. I bet many of those in the riots inherently know it is wrong, but in the mob mentality they have discordent thoughts. Hey, is Joe over there is going to get a free TV why shouldn't I get one too? Geez, Apple has 76 billion in spare cash reserves, they would hardly miss a few iPads. I might as well take some because if I don't someone else will and I will still have nothing.
In other words people rationalize and can truly change their belief for the time that they are not only justified but entitled to do so.
Add to that the fact that in groups people get dumb. No accountability. Much harder to blame 50 than 1. Why do poor neighborhoods destroy their OWN neighboorhood when they can least afford it? Age of question. Again human psychology. The group starts to act on impulse with no thought of consequence. The energy of it all feeds more of it. Like a mob of ragers with no regard as to consequences.
One could propsoe that destruction and theft will only imapir the local economy more and thus prolong the hurt of the crisis, but peopl in mobs looting are thinking of the now and not the future.
Sometimes you just have a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad situation or crisis as well. Either way it is a bad thing.
I did my thesis on behavioral economics and read a lot of research on rioting and looting. I bet many of those in the riots inherently know it is wrong, but in the mob mentality they have discordent thoughts. Hey, is Joe over there is going to get a free TV why shouldn't I get one too? Geez, Apple has 76 billion in spare cash reserves, they would hardly miss a few iPads. I might as well take some because if I don't someone else will and I will still have nothing.
In other words people rationalize and can truly change their belief for the time that they are not only justified but entitled to do so.
Add to that the fact that in groups people get dumb. No accountability. Much harder to blame 50 than 1. Why do poor neighborhoods destroy their OWN neighboorhood when they can least afford it? Age of question. Again human psychology. The group starts to act on impulse with no thought of consequence. The energy of it all feeds more of it. Like a mob of ragers with no regard as to consequences.
One could propsoe that destruction and theft will only imapir the local economy more and thus prolong the hurt of the crisis, but peopl in mobs looting are thinking of the now and not the future.
Sometimes you just have a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad situation or crisis as well. Either way it is a bad thing.
The LA Riots persisted where non-rioters were not armed.
Where they were armed (Koreatown), rioting & looting stopped in a hurry.
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When was the last time you heard of person who had the intent to perform a crime actually used a weapon they purchased legally? I would bet the number is extremely small. If they want a gun they will find one. If this was here in the US, these thugs would have easier access to guns and most likely be using them on the police and citizens.
I am grateful that I live in a country that grants me the freedom to own my gun. (Don't have one, to dangerous to have in the house with kids)
Guns are not always the answer, though they can help at times.
The UK situation where the police is not able to react appropriately is a completely different issue than regular civilians being able to bare arms.
I am not going to comment on the pros and cons either way, however, conflating the 2 things does not help at all.
Btw, your store-owner scenario makes no sense, because it forgets that those hooligans are far more likely to own the guns than the store owner, and they outnumber him.
When those girls' homes start getting burnt up, or when they have no local shops to go to, they won't be laughing so much.
The UK has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world. Even amoungst crimes involving guns most are imitation or airpowered! Less than 0.5% of those lead to death. Simply possessing an illegal weapon can get you 10 years here.
These riots are about kids who are bored stealing stuff from shops. 99% of these kids won't have a clue how to get hold of a gun. The targets are businesses not people. The biggest loss of life has been some idiot running 3 people down in a car to "defend the street".
Adding guns to the mix would only increase the loss of life massively. People seem to argue that people need guns to protect themselves from criminals with guns, but they are looking at it from a US perspective where there are millions of weapons in circulation already. We dont have that here. I'd rather defend myself unarmed from someone else unarmed than for both of us to have guns.
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I think you have it the wrong way around.
The three men were killed while they were trying to protect property.
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You have to pay every ware in Liverpool City center, the only exception is if your a blue badge holder. With the exception of Liverpool One parking is kinda tight.
Ah ok. Haven't caught up on the news since this morning when details were sketchy.
The UK is way ahead of you. we can bare arms, legs, thighs and even buttocks during pride marches.
We'll send you guys some South African police. Our cops start with rubber bullets then move onto live rounds as soon as possible.
Forget the computers, that poor defenseless glass is going to get it as soon as the riots break out.
Just to let you know that in Bath there has been no trouble at all. Apple store and everything is absolutely fine
I saw a guy run away from the Boston Tea Party yesterday without paying his bill so you never know.
Actually, it doesn't "happen all the time". It hasn't happened in this country in many years. (Oops, OK - Katrina...)
We had two waves of riots in the US. Actually one wave and a singular echo. (Yes, I know we had riots prior to the 60's. There were a couple of prior waves of riots, both race and labor-related.)
The first modern wave was in 1964-1968, with the major riots being Newark, Detroit, and Watts. I was a kid growing up in Detroit at the time, though I was out of town at my grandparents "in the country" as I was every summer. When I came back we lived in another part of the city. Things changed significantly in Detroit in the ensuing years, and I watched that happen. Significantly, Detroit elected it's first black mayor (Coleman Young) the next election.
The echo was the 1992 Rodney King riot. Because I grew up in Detroit and watched the changes that occurred, it particularly struck me that Detroit learned from it's riot, and it never recurred. L.A. seemingly learned nothing - it was business as usual after the Watts riot. After the Rodney King riot, L.A. started to make the changes that Detroit made in the late 60's.
I hope England learns something from this and prevents it from happening again. Here's a clue: the TV announcers and government officials all have the pronunciation of "criminality" down pat. This accomplishment, along with parental scolding about lack of responsibility, seems to me unlikely to solve any problems.
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