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I am not going to support Apple and subsidize their expansive basic stand by buying their VESA model at $1599.
I think it’s clear that all the shortcomings of the Apple Studio display are only of concern to those who aren’t buying them anyway. Apple has focused both it’s features and price only on those that WILL buy it. And, they’ve determined that, for that group they are targeting, the perceived “shortcomings” will not affect the sale.
 
I wonder if Apple would reuse a stand for refurbished units.

Wait if they won't give me back the old stand I paid for if I want to swap it back? E.g. if I upgrade my current stand to the heigh adjustable one, I'll have to re-buy the old one if I want to go back? I mean I guess its a pretty small chance of that happening but still...seems like a waste of resources; imagining a giant warehouse full of stands that are never to be used again...
 
This monitor could have been so great. The 5K resolution is so nice to have , but to get fleeced if you want to change the height of a monitor to the tune of $400 is a scandal. Hard wired power plug and no vesa mount unless you spec it … all problems designed in by Apple. I look at every other monitor I have that cost peanuts and all have those 3 things.

It’s stuff like this which really puts me off Apple.
 
i ain't going to lie, i have not seen a stand nicer than apple's. I owned the LG 5K and it was height adjustable. It was wonky, tapping the desk wobbles the monitor, etc. you really get what you pay for sometime. The problem with apple is there aren't many competitors in the top end space.
lg is known for wonky stands, i been using ultrasharp lineup from dell for the past decades and their stands are pretty solid.
 
I think it’s clear that all the shortcomings of the Apple Studio display are only of concern to those who aren’t buying them anyway. Apple has focused both it’s features and price only on those that WILL buy it. And, they’ve determined that, for that group they are targeting, the perceived “shortcomings” will not affect the sale.

Targeting the ones that will buy it? Lol.
 
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...be innovative, create an interchangeable version.

We are not talking about an adapter for docking another build of modules to the ISS space staion, dear Apple. It is a simple thingie, to make a monitor stand or hang somewhere...
Not only that, but the old Apple Cinema Displays had easily interchangeable, customer serviceable stands! Until recently you could still get the VESA mount adapter from Apple, you just needed a hex bit and (IIRC?) a flat credit card shape.
 
As always, these forums seem to really attract plenty of people who like to gripe about things. I wouldn't take this as a true sampling of consumer opinion.

Ars Technica has a pretty good review of this monitor and why 5K resolution (which very very few monitors have) specifically is important to some set of users.
It’s not a gripe. The release was a mess. The monitor may be terrific, but the negative stories surrounding it have been prevalent compared to the positive reviews. The Mac Studio was a marketing home run. The Studio Display, not so much.
 
I love my MBP 16". Mac Studio was tempting, as the launch was successful and the reception has been great. I was tempted but I'm so content with my MBP 16", I don't see myself needing another powerful computer for several years to come. Buenísimo ?

I've been teetering back and forth about my Studio Display purchase (whether to cancel or continue), not because of the stand or the audio, but due to the video quality ? Maybe I've just come to expect quality because it's Apple, and there is a premium on their products for that reason. With any other manufacturer, they have leeway to royally screw up and be "forgiven" due to the affordability/price factor. There's a collective "you get what you pay for" sentiment.

That being said, having a monitor with seamless integration is important to me and there's not another manufacturing that can match it. I'm really torn.

Ultimately I think seamless integration is my #1 priority, and for that reason there's not really another monitor that could do it better.

I wonder if patience would be a better hand played, especially if there's any plans in the future for the Studio Display to have iPhone level video quality. However, it's been 6 years or so since something like this has happened (excluding the XDR) and I have this lingering thought of "is it going to take another 6 years to see an update? If so, then there's no point waiting". Oi vey.
 
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Not only that, but the old Apple Cinema Displays had easily interchangeable, customer serviceable stands! Until recently you could still get the VESA mount adapter from Apple, you just needed a hex bit and (IIRC?) a flat credit card shape.

Which was included (Allen key) with the VESA adapter kit
 
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Schedule service and a labor charge to do an effing monitor stand change? Holy Christ!

It's insane

Design the back of the monitor with either magnetic or simple screws so one can buy it and swap between stands or VESA at will and/or as needs or setup change over time.

Monitors are usually held onto for a LONG time and its' ridiculous to not have more flexibility designed in.
 
Targeting the ones that will buy it? Lol.
Yeah. :) It’s the same thing they do with their Macs. Understanding that there’s always a bunch of folks that will not like one device or another because it doesn’t have whatever feature at whatever price, Apple just focuses on the few million people in the world that will buy and enjoy whatever device they’re making. There will be folks that think a device is too expensive, folks that think a device is the wrong color, folks that don’t like that a device can’t julienne fries, etc. Those folks by self-elimination are not the folks Apple’s making products for.

Just because someone happens to own a device with an Apple logo on it doesn’t mean that EVERYTHING that Apple makes will be for them. It just means that, at some point in the past, Apple made a product they liked. It’s very possible that, at any given time, Apple may never make another product they like.
 
Imagine if you will, a three trillion dollar tech company that can't design a computer monitor with a universal coupling on the rear that simplifies absolutely everything for everyone.
 
Cost-effective is a relative concept, and we all know Apple makes their money selling grossly overpriced hardware…they’ve never been in this business to make affordable gadgets. Of note: original price-tags on the old Cinema Displays (as small as 22-23”, and as large as 30”) were $3k+ (!). Comparatively, the 27” Thunderbolt displays were a relative steal, at $1k. I’m just glad they have a standalone display product at the lower price point again.

We? Speaking for everyone?

With Apple's 1+ Billion customers, that would be well-priced hardware.
 


While fine print on Apple's website says Studio Display stands and VESA mount adapters are "not interchangeable," customers can visit an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider to have their Studio Display reconfigured after purchase.

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For example, if a customer bought a Studio Display with the standard tilt-adjustable stand and later decides they want to use a VESA mount adapter, they can book a service appointment with an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider and have one installed, according to internal documentation obtained by MacRumors.

Likewise, if a customer bought a Studio Display with a tilt-adjustable stand and later decides they want both a tilt- and height-adjustable stand, an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider can accommodate this request. Pricing will vary based on the region, the type of stand or mount being installed, and the cost of labor.

The standalone stands and VESA mount upgrade kits are only available to certified technicians and are not sold through Apple's online store.

Studio Display orders began arriving to customers last week. Key features of the display include a 27-inch screen size, 5K resolution, a 12-megapixel Ultra Wide camera with Center Stage, a six-speaker sound system with Spatial Audio, one Thunderbolt 3 port, and three USB-C ports. Pricing starts at $1,599 in the United States for a model with standard glass and a tilt-adjustable stand, with several upgrade options available.

Article Link: Apple Stores Can Upgrade a Studio Display's Stand After Purchase
 
You've missed all of the important points, entirely.

For one thing, I am not buying the version that doesn't come with a stand for the same price as the one that comes with a stand. A stand that is not adjustable, and can't be rotated, which makes it completely worthless.

I don't consider VESA an alternative to a stand. Neither does the rest of the display market. Only Apple has created this distinction for the purposes of form and profit over function. I consider a model that only comes with VESA as missing a stand, and worth less than one that comes with a stand.

I am not going to support Apple and subsidize their expansive basic stand by buying their VESA model at $1599.

It seems you want Apple to behave like other companies.

Pretty tired of people who wants iPhones to be like Android, Macs to be like PCs, and no Apple monitors to be like other monitors.

Why can't you accept that there exist one company which does things differently?
 


While fine print on Apple's website says Studio Display stands and VESA mount adapters are "not interchangeable," customers can visit an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider to have their Studio Display reconfigured after purchase.

studio-display-stand.jpg

For example, if a customer bought a Studio Display with the standard tilt-adjustable stand and later decides they want to use a VESA mount adapter, they can book a service appointment with an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider and have one installed, according to internal documentation obtained by MacRumors.

Likewise, if a customer bought a Studio Display with a tilt-adjustable stand and later decides they want both a tilt- and height-adjustable stand, an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider can accommodate this request. Pricing will vary based on the region, the type of stand or mount being installed, and the cost of labor.

The standalone stands and VESA mount upgrade kits are only available to certified technicians and are not sold through Apple's online store.

Studio Display orders began arriving to customers last week. Key features of the display include a 27-inch screen size, 5K resolution, a 12-megapixel Ultra Wide camera with Center Stage, a six-speaker sound system with Spatial Audio, one Thunderbolt 3 port, and three USB-C ports. Pricing starts at $1,599 in the United States for a model with standard glass and a tilt-adjustable stand, with several upgrade options available.

Article Link: Apple Stores Can Upgrade a Studio Display's Stand After Purchase
One thing that I've noticed that is not talked about is height difference. The Studio display standard tops out at 18.3" high while the iMac is approx 20 3/4" tall. If you are used to the height of the iMac, the Studio is going to be more than 2" shorter. Leave it to Apple to miss the obvious.
 
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This monitor could have been so great. The 5K resolution is so nice to have , but to get fleeced if you want to change the height of a monitor to the tune of $400 is a scandal. Hard wired power plug and no vesa mount unless you spec it … all problems designed in by Apple. I look at every other monitor I have that cost peanuts and all have those 3 things.

It’s stuff like this which really puts me off Apple.

So why are you even looking at Apple monitors if you already have monitors which are better?
 
One thing that I've noticed that is not talked about is height difference. The Studio display standard tops out at 18.3" high while the iMac is approx 20 3/4" tall. If you are used to the height of the iMac, the Studio is going to be more than 2" shorter. Leave it to Apple to miss the obvious.

Did they "miss it"?

Or did they design it that way to increase sales of "adjustable height" models (for $400 more?)

I hate to be this cynical, but it's getting hard not to be that way towards modern Apple.
 
It's insane

Design the back of the monitor with either magnetic or simple screws so one can buy it and swap between stands or VESA at will and/or as needs or setup change over time.

Monitors are usually held onto for a LONG time and its' ridiculous to not have more flexibility designed in.

The problem is that adding a VESA mount usually makes the monitor more ugly from behind or the side. It's probably the major reason why Apple doesn't do VESA by default.
 
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