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I didn't argue about what good vaccine passporting would do. It would help keep people healthy. I do worry about what other groups could be discriminated against once this precedent is set, as I expressed in my previous post.

I am not truly free to not get vaccinated. If I don't, I am unable to do many things that vaccinated people can. I can't get a flight. I can't enter a government building. I have less freedom than a vaccinated person.
If only you took the cold and flu this serious.
 
Well that’s fine for you, but you’re in a tiny minority and you’re not being reasonable. Most of us want to get back to our lives, not live cowering in fear of a disease rendered mildly annoying by vaccinations.
Most people need to be forced to brush their teeth and wear a seatbelt too.
 
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There will not be more “full surges” in the US. There far too many vaccinated people to see anything like what we’ve seen before.


Please post the Fauci email that says there’s no pandemic. I’ll wait.
Why do you believe that Covid vaccines works? The same people that urge you to take one are already saying that you'll need another one because of the mutations.

Regarding the e-mails.. have you read them? If yes, why do you ask such question?
 
A vaccine is not a cure. Many of you do not seem to understand that it doesn’t prevent you from getting COVID, it simply increases the odds that you will avoid symptoms if you do. I’m vaccinated and will be masking up when around people indoors in public, indefinitely. There also are other strains on the way, and it is not known how long vaccinations stay effective.
 
It really boggles the mind that 18 months later there are still people who don‘t understand the difference between Covid and the flu.
I did not say anything that would say that there's no difference. That's your interpretation of what I said.
 
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A vaccine is not a cure. Many of you do not seem to understand that it doesn’t prevent you from getting COVID, it simply increases the odds that you will avoid symptoms if you do. I’m vaccinated and will be masking up when around people indoors in public, indefinitely. There also are other strains on the way, and it is not known how long vaccinations stay effective.
Fine do whatever you want just don't force me to be scared forever like you
 
This kind of ignorance was understandable a year ago, but now it’s indefensible. I don’t know what country you’re in, but in the US, the flu kills between 12k and 60k per year (since 2010). Yes that’s a big range but let’s say it’s the top, 60,000. Ok, so that’s like 1/8th the covid deaths in 2020 and that’s with no meaningful mitigation of the flu and massive, global mitigation efforts for covid.

bottom line: yes the flu kills but our health system is ready for it, and it kills at a relatively low rate. Covid is an order of magnitude more deadly and has the ability to overwhelm our entire healthcare system. That’s why we treat them differently. This honestly isn’t complicated.
So here's the perspective for my country. There's 10 millions of us. We are very small country in comparison with the US. That ammount of people I stated regarding the flu would be now considered dangerous "pandemic" in my country. Hell we even closed the country and brought up restrictions when we had hundreds of cases. This is insanity.

Again, you don't even take in account what I'm saying. The point of my post was that why there's so much death? Why don't we treat the people with Covid? If you call me ignorant I'd say, why are you blinded by your ignorance in the topic? You don't even question things. Is that because it's against the narrative?
 
This was a moment I was afraid of. On the outside, I can understand the loosening of the restrictions, but inside the facilities? Ok, Apple Stores have a good ventilation system, I want to think, with HEPA filters and such. However... I am afraid Apple, and other companies, force their employees to not wear a face mask in an indoors workplace. For me, the mask has come to stay, I don’t want to get COVID even when fully vaccinated, because even with the vaccine, infection can happen. I won’t end up on Intensive Care, probably, but COVID is still a bad disease, that can become persistent, tiredness forever....

I will wear mask as long as I am able to, specially indoors. If I am forced to ditch the mask on my workplace... I will have to talk with the syndicates or something. I have the right to preserve my health.
You do know that even the Anthony Fauci believes face masks don't work? In his leaked emails he admitted they do nothing to stop viruses and is little more than security theatre.

This just sounds like a 'look at how virtuous and morally righteous I am'. Wear it all you want. But please don't pretend the masks they hand out and encourage you to use actually offer any real protection. I was in the military and received NBC training, even if you were wearing a mask that does offer protection against viruses like covid - which I strongly doubt you are, I'm willing to bet your operational procedures for it are letting you down elsewhere.

I'm sick of the holier than thou attitudes like this.

I think it should be on a person by person basis. If you want to wear a mask at work, then wear one. The majority aren't cowering in fear of this thing. I'm been fortunate enough to live in the South and it's like covid never happened compared to elsewhere. Let me and my family decide what's best.

Also we were 100% right in not trusting Fauci. It was his grants from the NIH that quite literally funded the creation of this virus and left wing media denied it came from a lab.... right up until they couldn't hide it any more.
 
No I did not say that, you said "NEED TO BE FORCED" that is present tense. How many adults do you know that are forced by their parents to brush their teeth?
Ah so you agree but just want to bicker. Well the point is we have a chance to make wearing normal. The goa should be people feel uncomfortable not wearing one just like not brushing or wearing a seatbelt feels wrong.
 
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Why do you believe that Covid vaccines works? The same people that urge you to take one are already saying that you'll need another one because of the mutations.

Regarding the e-mails.. have you read them? If yes, why do you ask such question?
Direct quote from a Dr. Facui email back in Feb 2020:

"Although the CURRENT RISK of coronavirus to the American public is low, the fact that there is community spread of avirus in a number of countries besides China and including South Korea, Japan, Italy, Iran among others poses a risk that we may progress to a global pandemic of COVID-19"

It turned out to be true. Rest of his emails maintains his stance.

We ask again, what particular aspect of the emails show that there is not a pandemic as said or characterized by Dr. Fauci? Please quote a particular email, otherwise I'm going to assume you got your news from Tucker Carlson which I believe is one of the least reliable sources of information.
 
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You do know that even the Anthony Fauci believes face masks don't work? In his leaked emails he admitted they do nothing to stop viruses and is little more than security theatre.

This just sounds like a 'look at how virtuous and morally righteous I am'. Wear it all you want. But please don't pretend the masks they hand out and encourage you to use actually offer any real protection. I was in the military and received NBC training, even if you were wearing a mask that does offer protection against viruses like covid - which I strongly doubt you are, I'm willing to bet your operational procedures for it are letting you down elsewhere.

I'm sick of the holier than thou attitudes like this.

I think it should be on a person by person basis. If you want to wear a mask at work, then wear one. The majority aren't cowering in fear of this thing. I'm been fortunate enough to live in the South and it's like covid never happened compared to elsewhere. Let me and my family decide what's best.

Also we were 100% right in not trusting Fauci. It was his grants from the NIH that quite literally funded the creation of this virus and left wing media denied it came from a lab.... right up until they couldn't hide it any more.
The cloth masks are really not that great but the N95 masks work so i assume all these pro mask people will start wearing the N95s
 
This will work very well for liars that pretending to be vaccinated.
97%+ of new COVID cases are among the unvaccinated. Of those that are vaccinated, only 0.03% are having breakthrough infections, most asymptomatic, with 1 death per 500,000 vaccinated, most likely over 80 years old.

American adults who aren't vaccinated aren't by choice, you can only warn people so many times until you just grab a lawn chair and bag of popcorn and sit back to enjoy the show.
 
Ah so you agree but just want to bicker. Well the point is we have a chance to make wearing normal. The goa should be people feel uncomfortable not wearing one just like not brushing or wearing a seatbelt feels wrong.
Mask wearing will never be normal deal with it. I assume you wear the n95 mask all the time? those are the ones that really work
 
Because the “honor system” works so well with conspiracy theory, qanon whack jobs who will gladly spread around new variants. Yay! 2 months and we’re back to full surges. 🙄

ok, i'm vaccinated. my wife is vaccinated. my kids are vaccinated (well they get their 2nd shots this week, so almost). BUT this statement was nuts to me.

the entire purpose of vaccination is not only to protect people from getting the virus (it does 90-95% of the time) but in the rare case you do get COVID-19 anyway it protects you from serious illness (almost 100%, like 99.9999%). there won't BE spread because the folks who are vaccinated can't be spread to. even the CDC says almost all evidence points to the fact nearly all people vaccinated can NOT harbor or spread the virus because it simply can't take hold in our bodies and replicate. there won't ever be full surges again because 70% of the population is vaccinated and combined with (slow) continued vaccination and the fact many already have natural immunity from illness this is ENDING. we can't scream "follow the science" and then spit in the face of the science when we don't like what it tells us.
 
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