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Apple Stores to Drop Mask Requirement for Vaccinated Customers This Week
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Yep… time to get onboard or be left behind. Your choice.
The purpose of wearing cloth masks is to prevent or mute super spreader events, they aren't to protect the wearer, they are to protect those around them. COVID has at least a 2 day asymptomatic prodrome with the CDC saying 50% of cases were vector by an, as yet, asymptomatic carrier. The strategic dealing with a pandemic is to decrease the reinfection rate to less than 1:1. When 1 person can infect 100, wearing a mask that can prevent or reduce that number is an essential part of ending the pandemic.
Many people like to pretend they are more responsible than everyone else, it makes them feel better about themselves. The people saying they will wear a mask forever are as full of it as the people that claim they are fiscally conservative but have two homes and run up credit card debt
Wearing anything is better than nothing. My point is it could be the norm. That’s optimal. You sound like the old people in my neighborhood that still think women should not work because they distract men. Dating thinking is toxic to improving civic good. Masks are good for more than stoping disease spread.
The problem is is the world is full of lying liars. Requiring all to wear masks is the best way to make sure those that are potentially infectious are also masked. But as I said in another note 97% of new COVID cases are in the unvaccinated. As vaccination has been free for all adults for months, anyone unvaccinated now doesn't care if they get COVID, why should I?
That's exactly the point I'm making. @the future said I was "free not to get vaccinated." Technically that's true, but in doing some I'm "left behind," as you say. I don't really have a choice. If I want to retain all my freedoms, I have to get vaccinated. With vaccine passports, my hand is being forced. If I don't get vaccinated, I'm penalized.
For example, that he said that masks don't work, unless your sick or at the risk because you're chronically ill or old. Also, when people tried to warn him that the virus leaked from the Wuhan Lab, he replied that it's too long for him to read. Is that enough? This alone implies that we don't have to lockdown economics and ruin people's lives. And he lied about financing the research there, he lied about the gain of function research and he lied under oath. Why is that not enough for you? What more do you want?
Because they are expensive and as noted by others they are only effective if worn as required. Few people do. Tests show that cloth masks are 50-60% effective in lowering both RNA and droplets spreading from the individual, having a small population using N95 masks won't really change that metric much. Remember pandemic control is strategic, getting Reinfection rate to < 1, cloth masks (and the other measures of avoiding crowds and distancing) are all that's needed for that.
exactly... first off the unvaccinated are becoming a smaller number everyday. my occupation allowed me to be vaccinated very early but i of course supported wearing a mask myself afterwards to prevent the "liars" from infecting those who couldn't get vaccinated yet. that has changed. anyone over 12 can walk in without an appointment at many places and there is a huge amount of available vaccine for everyone today. if you haven't been vaccinated at this point that is your choice and your risk. children under 12 have a vanishingly low risk, lower than flu for their age group so that is not a threat that justifies a major change to societal behavior. at this point requiring me as a vaccinated individual to wear a mask is foolish theater that has no benefit (as i won't get or spread the virus anyway).
At the time they didn't know about super spreader events, the hallmark quality of COVID. If it had spread like influenza, masks wouldn't have made much of a difference, but when 1 person can infect 100, any measure that helps prevent or reduce that number is an essential part of the strategy. First verified case that made the news was that choir practice in Washington where 1 person infected 80+ with several deaths. THAT is what changed the view on the necessity of masks.
People have been wearing them for over a year, they are a bit shy. A bar in my town now requires proof of vaccination and is totally maskless and open inside, people. can mingle, chat at other people's tables, etc. As soon as more start doing that other businesses will have to follow suit if they want to compete.
There’s no lack of privacy. Don’t want to say whether you’ve been vaccinated, then just wear a mask And no one will ask. We discriminate all the time, there are only certain forms of discrimination that are deemed problematic. Should we not let employers require proof of your degree before hiring? Not allow police to ask to see that you’re licensed to drive?
If a precedent is distorted here, you mean. The second glance I took is that you think there’s enough similarity between controlling an infectious disease and controlling a population following a particular religious belief to be concerned.
Personally, I don’t think we’ll have a hard time finding a bright line between those cases.
Again, we discriminate all the time, particularly around things that are based on individual choice. No shirt, no shoes, no vaccination card, no service.
You can do those things with a mask.
You have exactly the same freedom as a vaccinated person— you simply chose to exercise that freedom by not being vaccinated. You have a freedom of choice, not an entitlement to do everything you want simply because you want.
I hope you seek help, because this is not a healthy way of living. Truly, no sarcasm. The way COVID has been dealt with has damaged people psychologically. To feel this way even after being vaccinated…please speak with someone. I wish you success going forward.
HOpe they get rid of their limits on people in stores. Needed service last week, they turned me away and told me to go home and make an appointment. Then another appt, then another. Onerous, turning away people with physical disabilities as well.
Apple will no longer require vaccinated customers to wear masks inside their retail stores in the U.S, a major shift in policy compared to last month, according to Bloomberg.
The new change, expected to go into effect on Tuesday, will no longer require customers who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to wear masks inside Apple Stores in the United States. Bloomberg notes that Apple has been informing retail leaders and staff of the change, noting that employees will continue to be required to wear masks.
Apple last month told retail employees that mask requirements would stay in place following updated guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which states that fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear a mask outdoors or in the majority of indoor settings.
In an internal memo obtained by Bloomberg, Apple says that thanks to the progress that has been made in the U.S., it can now safely begin "moving to the next phase of resumption and will begin to operate under Phase 3 onsite protocol." Phase 3 protocol, according to the memo, includes Apple protocol being updated to "permit optional masking for vaccinated individuals." Physical distancing requirements are also being "relaxed."
As part of the return to normalcy, Apple also plans to begin a slow transition to moving back to in-person work at Apple Park this fall.
Article Link: Apple Stores to Drop Mask Requirement for Vaccinated Customers This Week
People who don’t want to get a vaccine aren’t a protected class.
We don’t let nudists into restaurants, either.
Do you see what are you doing?..
You and the experts are acting like the masks weren't created before. We knew exactly how they work and what are they good for. The super spreader events were happening with flu too. That's why we usually closed schools for two weeks or so. That's how it's been treated forever. Why is that different with Covid? Why there's no flu but Covid is thriving?
Also, you don't find concerning at all, that Fauci first said there's no need to wear masks and then he had opposite opinion, because he stated that there was a shortage of masks? Don't you find that even slightly a bit concerning? He lied to you and that's a fact. If you're okay with it, that's another thing.
Please think of the children under 12 and those who have compromised immune system that cannot get the vaccine.
These group of people will continue to wear their mask, but those who decided to lie are putting these people at a higher risk.
You want him to seek mental health services because he wants to continue wearing a mask to prevent infection and spread to others?
I think it’s funny that based on the likes and dislikes for your comment that 25% of people think that science isn’t real. And they did that on a product that relied on science to do it.
No actually the data in the Fauci emails show that the influenza studies emailed to him showed masks didn't make much difference and looking at the number of events and the number of vectoring incidences shows that it wasn't spreading by 'super spreader' events.
I worked at the Army infectious disease research institute for years, they have plans upon plans on how to strategically handle an infectious pandemic. Fauci did what was right with the information we had and altered his approach as new facts were known, you know - he followed the science.
They tried your hypothesis in a good number of countries. Including ours in the early stages. How did it work out? India a classic example that debunks your entire hypothesis.