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I posted above that Apple already uses DSC for third party 6K monitors. (You need DSC to get 6K 60 Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 over Thunderbolt 4 and DisplayPort 1.4.) Are you saying that Apple would refuse to use DSC with its own 6K monitors, despite already supporting DSC for third party monitors? Cuz as you say if no DSC, then there would be no 6K 120 Hz, even with Thunderbolt 5, unless it was only running in 120 Gbps mode.
Looks like I was lazy with my statement. Both Apple's current monitors do use DSC already. So TB5 with DSC could boost to 120 Gbps (?). But a high refresh 6k monitor with 10bit/4:4:4 would be limited to TB5 devices and up. And daisy chaining? not sure if even possible.
 
Apple's whole monitor strategy is very silly. While they are good products, charging hundreds of dollars extra for making it tilt/height adjustable is the most absurd thing Apple does and comes across as borderline insulting... and the $1000 stand for the Cinema display is even ridiculous.

They need to make that standard at around $1500 and it will sell very well.
 
Apple's whole monitor strategy is very silly. While they are good products, charging hundreds of dollars extra for making it tilt/height adjustable is the most absurd thing Apple does and comes across as borderline insulting... and the $1000 stand for the Cinema display is even ridiculous.

They need to make that standard at around $1500 and it will sell very well.

This is a very legitimate criticism of Apple displays.

This is not the mid 2000's anymore.

It's time to design in tilt/height/wall mount adjustability and optionality on all the models.
 
One does wonder…

I switched to using an OLED TV as my monitor a couple years ago now and I’m never going back.

I absolutely love the huge size and having it be many feet away from me.

Same here. I wouldn't mind downsizing to a smaller display though.

I wonder how well these Apple displays work with Linux systems. I use my "monitor" with my MBP and my linux machine.
 
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Same here. I wouldn't mind downsizing to a smaller display though.

I wonder how well these Apple displays work with Linux systems. I use my "monitor" with my MBP and my linux machine.

What size are you looking to go down to?

At this point, I find the 32" and below sizes too small for how I've adapted and now enjoy things, especially when I like to be doing something on one section of the screen and have some video content (sometimes multiple) up on the other side.

Unlike with iPhones, where I want small for my pocket, this is one area (monitors) where I'm in the "give me a HUGE ONE" camp. 😂
 
I wonder how well these Apple displays work with Linux systems. I use my "monitor" with my MBP and my linux machine.
Just buy a multi-input monitor if you plan on using Linux with it. I don't know why anyone would want to go through the headache of trying to make an Apple specific monitor work with Linux.

People have been able to make it work, but it's really an exercise in frustration. Not worth the hassle IMO.
 
What size are you looking to go down to?

Nothing under 27". 32" would be nice. I don't mind using a humongous thing on my desk, but I sit close enough to it that I find myself turning my head to see content at the ends and that can get uncomfortable if I'm at it for hours.

Admittedly I could just sit further away, but I'm stuck in my ways haha
 
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I said 120 Gbps would support it right in my post that you quoted. However, that would mean that it wouldn't function as a Thunderbolt 5 hub.
I see where you said that, it was just oddly tacked on to the end of the sentence, my bad. Wouldn’t/couldn’t there also be an issue with sustained performance on 6K@120Hz even with Boost? I suppose that is where adaptive rates would save Apple’s bacon unless a user was trying to game or do some other task requiring consistently high frame rates. It kind of seems like the challenge for Apple here is too either eat it on the margins (yeah right) or push this thing past the $2K mark on a base config.
 
Looks like I was lazy with my statement. Both Apple's current monitors do use DSC already. So TB5 with DSC could boost to 120 Gbps (?). But a high refresh 6k monitor with 10bit/4:4:4 would be limited to TB5 devices and up. And daisy chaining? not sure if even possible.
Don’t forget, the current Studio Display isn’t actually 10bit (it dithers to simulate 10bit), so adding that spec would be additional cost.
 
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Just buy a multi-input monitor if you plan on using Linux with it. I don't know why anyone would want to go through the headache of trying to make an Apple specific monitor work with Linux.

You'd be surprised how few monitors come with the niceties of the Apple displays! I don't know of any that have a webcam, decent speakers, and auto-brightness built-in. And boy have I looked.

Thankfully I have a monitor solution that works well, but I can easily see the allure of using Apple's solution.
 
M3 Pro TB4 can push 5K 120Hz?
5K 120Hz with Display Stream compression isn't that much data:

Under 30Gbps?
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I see where you said that, it was just oddly tacked on to the end of the sentence, my bad. Wouldn’t/couldn’t there also be an issue with sustained performance on 6K@120Hz even with Boost? I suppose that is where adaptive rates would save Apple’s bacon unless a user was trying to game or do some other task requiring consistently high frame rates. It kind of seems like the challenge for Apple here is too either eat it on the margins (yeah right) or push this thing past the $2K mark on a base config.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but boost doesn't necessarily have to be some temporary thing, since what it does is change the 2+2 lane bidirectional configuration (80 Gbps each way) to 3+1 lanes (120 Gbps downstream and 40 Gbps upstream).

On that monitor they could just make it permanent, and it would still function as a Thunderbolt hub, but at Thunderbolt 4 speed, not Thunderbolt 5.

Still holding out for a Pro Display XDR refresh. With the cheap 32” panels that are out I’m hoping it gets a significant price drop too, but lol Apple.
The high cost isn't just due to the panel, but everything else, including backlight, chassis, and QA (see below).

You can actually buy a 6K 6144x3456 monitor with solid aluminum chassis and solid aluminum height-adjustable stand right now with LG panel for about US$700 shipped.

Despite the XDR's excellent panel QA though, one red flag with the XDR is the failure rate over time. There have been numerous reports of monitor hardware failure at around the 3-4 year mark, even if the panel itself is still working fine.

Studio Display 1 is a mediocre monitor (with decent build quality). It's been an uncompetitive product since day one. Apple rarely misses the mark, but this one was just bad.

SD2 with those specs sounds like a day one purchase and finally a good monitor from Apple for the first time in 15+ years.
I agree ASD 1 was mediocre specs wise, but in terms of implementation, it has been excellent. It has amongst the best colour calibration out of the box, and has a much lower incidence of issues such as backlight bleed and significant dirty screen effect. Obviously the ASD is not perfect, but panel lottery is a much more common problem with monitors from companies like LG and others.

You'd be surprised how few monitors come with the niceties of the Apple displays! I don't know of any that have a webcam, decent speakers, and auto-brightness built-in. And boy have I looked.

Thankfully I have a monitor solution that works well, but I can easily see the allure of using Apple's solution.
Maybe, but still, getting all of that to work on Linux is even harder than just trying to get the monitor to display something under Linux. So that just makes the Linux compatibility issue even worse.

BTW, as of 2025, decent third party webcams are actually affordable. I personally use an Insta360 Link 2C.
 
I find it funny that the rumour, with the A19, could easily be an iMac with video in.

That being said, it would be "too much monitor" or a A19 class Mac.

My assumption has been that the next Apple monitor would end up costing between $2000 and $3500... which really makes it a "new product" rather than a replacement for the ASD.
 
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I find it funny that the rumour, with the A19, could easily be an iMac with video in.

That being said, it would be "too much monitor" or a A19 class Mac.

My assumption has been that the next Apple monitor would end up costing between $2000 and $3500... which really makes it a "new product" rather than a replacement for the ASD.
I use an M4 with a 6K monitor, but I don't actually need even M4 performance.

I don't need super fast multi-core or GPU performance. I just need a big screen with nice colours, decent single-core performance, and Thunderbolt.
 
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If they could scale the current mini led/dimming zone tech from the MacBook Pro ProMotion display into a 27" size @ 5k, it would be one the best if not the best monitors on the planet. I don't think Apple gets enough credit for their mini led implementation on the Macbook Pros. I am an OLED snob, as I have these as my main TV for years and a monitor as well; and Apple's mini led on my M3 MBP is pretty close with contrast to the eye, but brighter and better text clarity. I have tried several other mini led monitors and they all suffered from the same halo effect from dimming zones going on and off, especially around the mouse cursor in dark mode, which Apple solves.
 
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I use an M4 with a 6K monitor, but I don't actually need even M4 performance.

I don't need super fast multi-core or GPU performance. I just need a big screen with nice colours, decent single-core performance, and Thunderbolt.

Sure, but it isn't very Apple.

Apple just isn't likely to sell $899 iMac SoC with a $2000 display.
 
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Apple's whole monitor strategy is very silly. While they are good products, charging hundreds of dollars extra for making it tilt/height adjustable is the most absurd thing Apple does and comes across as borderline insulting... and the $1000 stand for the Cinema display is even ridiculous.

They need to make that standard at around $1500 and it will sell very well.
Thats not the strategy. The strategy is probably closer to ”create a good looking monitor that integrates perfectly to macs, offers great picture quality and good sound. Use a resolution not commonly available on the market and offer mediocre support for 4k displays giving the studio display extra advantage”.
 
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Now we're talking.

Studio Display 1 is a mediocre monitor (with decent build quality). It's been an uncompetitive product since day one. Apple rarely misses the mark, but this one was just bad.

SD2 with those specs sounds like a day one purchase and finally a good monitor from Apple for the first time in 15+ years.
Thats pretty harsh considering it was launched 5 years ago and it’s still the best 5k monitor on the market.

I mean it would be fair to question value for money, but as far as computer gear goes that is quite an achievement considering monitors are not exactly a niche product.
 
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