Mine only seems to work if everything is plugged in. I think technically it only needs one of the two usb cables plugged in but I can never tell which is which.
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Apple Studio Display Windows Compatibility
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Mine only seems to work if everything is plugged in. I think technically it only needs one of the two usb cables plugged in but I can never tell which is which.
Okay nice, so I got it working with swapping around where the usb cables were plugged in and also flipped around the usb c - not sure if that mattered. Thank you! Seems I have to disconnect and reconnect the usb c if I restart the desktop otherwise it doesn’t get recognized/no signal, but that’s not terrible.
I would check in this thread to be sure, but I believe so. You definitely won’t have sound or webcam, though
Sound might work. my galaxy s22 displays Samsung dex on ASD and also play audio through ASD Speakers
Just adding a data point and a question to this helpful thread.
My 1070 Ti is driving the Studio Display at 5K 60hz 6bpc (limited dynamic range) with the Belkin VR Charge and Sync Cable. Attempts to change to 8-bit or 10-bit result in a flickering blank screen unless I down-res to 4K.
I'm a bit confused about the need for DSC mentioned here, as the DP 1.4 ports on my graphics card should theoretically have enough bandwidth to drive 8-bit at a minimum (ideally 10-bit). Has anyone else made this work on a 10 series GPU? Thanks for any clarification.
My 1070 Ti is driving the Studio Display at 5K 60hz 6bpc (limited dynamic range) with the Belkin VR Charge and Sync Cable. Attempts to change to 8-bit or 10-bit result in a flickering blank screen unless I down-res to 4K.
I'm a bit confused about the need for DSC mentioned here, as the DP 1.4 ports on my graphics card should theoretically have enough bandwidth to drive 8-bit at a minimum (ideally 10-bit). Has anyone else made this work on a 10 series GPU? Thanks for any clarification.
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The Apple Studio Display is limited to HBR2 link rate. The HBR3 link rate of DP 1.4 is not supported.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-external-displays-60hz.2346032/post-31262097
DSC reduces (bits per pixel) from 30 down to 12bpp (the default target bpp for DSC in macOS).
DSC at 8bpp may be possible but I haven't tried it yet.
This is why a Navi or RTX GPU or Ice Lake or Tiger Lake is recommended for the Apple Studio Display and Apple Pro Display XDR - because those GPUs support DSC.
For the Apple Studio Display, a Thunderbolt connection could work for 5K60 10bpc if the Thunderbolt supports two DisplayPort connections.
For the Apple Pro Display XDR, I don't think a Thunderbolt connection can work because the XDR requires two HBR3 connections over Thunderbolt which is a mode that Windows probably won't allow because the combined 51.84 Gbps bandwidth exceeds Thunderbolt's 40 Gbps. macOS is able to force dual HBR3 connection using extra software and this works because the two 3008x3384 60Hz signals do not require the full bandwidth of HBR3 and Thunderbolt does not transmit the DisplayPort stuffing symbols used to fill the DisplayPort link rate.
Thank you for the insight. This clarifies that the bottleneck is the Apple Studio Display itself.
I am also running a Dell UP2715K which is dual DisplayPort 1.2 5K 10bpc (true 10-bit). I've tried using an MST hub for it on one of the DP1.4 ports, but that reduces the options to 8bpc and more importantly, would blank out the monitor for around 5-10 seconds frequently enough that I changed back to dual ports. Any idea if a dual port solution could possibly work for the Studio Display (2 DisplayPort into Thunderbolt)?
My ultimate goal is to drive a Triple 5K setup, but it's seeming that a second graphics card might be necessary to make it work. Even with dual DP solutions, one of the Dells would probably have to be MST as most graphics cards only have 3 DP ports each, so only two pairs of inputs possible unless the third pair of inputs can come from discrete graphics cards, which I doubt.
Strange that a single GPU with 3xDP 1.4 is more than enough to drive a triple 5K setup but that no 5K monitors I am aware of can truly take advantage of this natively.
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True. You probably have a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub that supports DSC and could output 10bpc if you had a GPU that supported DSC. The DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub would take the DSC streams and uncompress them to dual SST connections for the Dell UP2715K.
The Dell UP2715K is very slow to show an image when it's connected.
Blanking out seems to indicate an issue with the hub or cables. Maybe use shorter cables.
i think it should work. I'm not sure I've seen an example of someone trying it.
I'm not understanding your math or your proposed arrangements.
Nvidia is usually limited to 4 displays. A dual cable (dual link SST) display usually counts as two displays. I believe that I was able to connect 3 displays, and then connect a Dell UP2715K at 5K60 to a Nvidia Titan X (Maxwell) which would be 5 total connections, but I don't have multiple dual link SST 5K displays to see if 6 connections can work.
AMD is limited to 4, 5, or 6 connections depending on the GPU.
I don't understand this statement.
If you had a GPU that supports DSC, then you could connect one Apple Studio Display to each DisplayPort or possibly two per DisplayPort using a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub (but maybe need to check the MST hub's DSC capabilities in the DPCD registers).
If you could somehow get DSC@9bpp then a MST hub could connect three Apple Studio Displays to a single DisplayPort. I don't know what default DSC target bpp that Windows uses or if you can change it to use 8bpp. macOS uses 12bpp for DSC but may have a setting to change that which I haven't tried yet.
There exist single cable 5K displays limited to HBR3 linkrate (8bpc) and no DSC. You can connect one per DisplayPort. Or maybe two or 3 if you had a GPU that supports DSC and an MST hub that can decompress all the pixels.
Good to know, thanks. When I upgrade my GPU I will give this a try.
Will do. Currently using 10ft. cables, maybe I would have better luck with 6ft.
The Dell currently takes up 2 of the DP 1.4 connections on my 1070 Ti. That leaves 1 for the Studio Display, and an HDMI Port (currently used with a TV) and 1 DL-DVI-D. To clarify, I was imagining that if I had 3 x dual SST 5K Dell displays, that means 6 separate DisplayPort connections needed to drive the three monitors (without using an MST hub). In that configuration the bandwidth is available for more monitors but the ports are not.
Sounds like DSC will open up many more possibilities. Just trying to understand what's possible with what I have first, and your replies have been very helpful in that regard.
I'd be curious to know which single cable 5K displays you are referring to that work at 8bpc without DSC? As far as I know there have only ever been a few 5K displays released, and they all have their own quirks.
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The Iiyama ProLite 5K display.
https://iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-xb2779qqs-s1/
Some DIY solutions that use a iMac5K display
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/diy-5k-monitor-success.2253100
There's some other examples. I don't know if they're still made though.
There's a list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5K_resolution but I don't know if it's complete.
Appreciate it. I've been contemplating a DIY project with an old iMac5K I have sitting around. Could be fun.
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I love my studio display and it works great with my macbook pro, but I have a Dell Latitude 5521 for work that it does not play nice with. When I plug the dell into the display, it usually works for a few minutes and then the display screen goes black. Has anyone had any similar issues with a windows or dell laptop that they've been able to resolve? It has a USB4.0 Type-C port with DisplayPort 2.0 port/Power Delivery/Thunderbolt, so I believe it should work. (and yes, I know the correct answer is to only use a mac 😜)
Hey all! Day 1 with the ASD here, working great with my personal MacBook Air (2020 i5)…not so great with my work PC (HP ZBook i7 G6).
The PC has thunderbolt ports (with the lightening bolt icon so not just USB C) that I’m using. When I plug it in (either with the ASD provided cable or an aftermarket Belkin TB3 cable), I’ll get the windows chime through the ASD and a quick flicker…then nothing. The PC recognizes the display, and if I go to advanced display settings it shows the Studio Display there. I can set it to ‘extend’ and drag the mouse over there. BUT, the ASD remains blacked out (looks powered off) like nothing is connected.
Anyone have any advice…? This is a locked up company PC so not sure exactly I can do with installing stuff, etc, but I will try anything I can if there’s a fix!
P.S. - I skimmed the thread and didn’t see anyone asking this question…but apologies if I missed the answer…I admittedly didn’t read every last post!
The PC has thunderbolt ports (with the lightening bolt icon so not just USB C) that I’m using. When I plug it in (either with the ASD provided cable or an aftermarket Belkin TB3 cable), I’ll get the windows chime through the ASD and a quick flicker…then nothing. The PC recognizes the display, and if I go to advanced display settings it shows the Studio Display there. I can set it to ‘extend’ and drag the mouse over there. BUT, the ASD remains blacked out (looks powered off) like nothing is connected.
Anyone have any advice…? This is a locked up company PC so not sure exactly I can do with installing stuff, etc, but I will try anything I can if there’s a fix!
P.S. - I skimmed the thread and didn’t see anyone asking this question…but apologies if I missed the answer…I admittedly didn’t read every last post!
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Make sure the PC is set for 60Hz refresh and a resolution that is within the Studio Display's capability. Since I'm not sure how it'll be recognized, it's possible it's defaulting to something like 75Hz. If that's the case, the ASD will remain "off" since it can't do more than 60Hz.
I did check this before…it was set to 60Hz.
Then…magically…when I plugged it in today with everything the same as before, it worked! And then, it didn’t. And then it worked! And then, it didn’t. And then it didn’t again. And now it doesn’t.
What in the actual…eff? Very confused.
Plugging in a TB cable from the TB port into a monitor. Sometimes it shows a picture, sometimes it’s a black screen. Huh?
Can anyone advise what the heck is going on? The ASD wakes up every time perfectly when plugged into the MBA. Never a glitch. When plugged into the PC…it works what…25% of the time. I’m officially confused.
I'm not sure anyone really knows. Thunderbolt behavior for displays under Windows is just not very thoroughly tested. There are only a handful of non-Apple Thunderbolt monitors that are marketed for PC use. I finally got my desktop PC to use Thunderbolt to connect to my monitor with very little help from the vendor's support team and still saw occasional glitches like the screen going dark when a game launched in fullscreen mode, requiring the cable to be unplugged and replugged to get the picture back. I switched to Displayport output using the Belkin VR cable and everything was solid. I think you're going to need to check your BIOS settings, look through the Windows event logs, etc. You might just need to unplug and replug your cable every time the display doesn't light up. If all else fails, you could possibly use either a Mini-Displayport to DisplayPort Adapter or a USB C to DisplayPort 1.4 Adapter and connect the adapter to the Belkin VR cable. I think your laptop has Mini-Displayport so the first one is probably a better choice.
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Turns out I *might* have actually found the solution today…
The ASD wakes up when the PC is plugged in consistently when I use the TB4 cable that came with the ASD. The aftermarket Belkin cable (which I actually realized is a TB3) will not wake it up…but it works fine with the MBA. Go figure.
So…ordered an OWC TB4 cable that should work just like the Apple one (I hope).
Seems everything related to this monitor and setup is kinda cable-picky…but no biggie once you find the right ones I guess!
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This thread is... well, it's a lot.
If I wanted to hook up my SFF Gaming PC (RTX 3070 w/ 2x DP + 2x HDMI, AMD 5600X so no Thunderbolt but USB-C 3.2 Gen 2x2) to the ASD, is the Belkin VR Charge and Sync Cable still the optimal way to go? Wanted to make sure that's still the optimal path in late August, before I plunked down $80 on a cable with very few other uses.
Or should I wait for the next generation of nVidia GPUs to see if there are some with USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs?
Thanks, everyone.
If I wanted to hook up my SFF Gaming PC (RTX 3070 w/ 2x DP + 2x HDMI, AMD 5600X so no Thunderbolt but USB-C 3.2 Gen 2x2) to the ASD, is the Belkin VR Charge and Sync Cable still the optimal way to go? Wanted to make sure that's still the optimal path in late August, before I plunked down $80 on a cable with very few other uses.
Or should I wait for the next generation of nVidia GPUs to see if there are some with USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs?
Thanks, everyone.
Belkin cable is still the most consistently reliable approach.This thread is... well, it's a lot.
If I wanted to hook up my SFF Gaming PC (RTX 3070 w/ 2x DP + 2x HDMI, AMD 5600X so no Thunderbolt but USB-C 3.2 Gen 2x2) to the ASD, is the Belkin VR Charge and Sync Cable still the optimal way to go? Wanted to make sure that's still the optimal path in late August, before I plunked down $80 on a cable with very few other uses.
Or should I wait for the next generation of nVidia GPUs to see if there are some with USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs?
Thanks, everyone.
And - now this doesn’t work. The other day I used the Apple TB4 cable and got repeated success time after time switching laptops. Now…nothing. I’m at my absolute wits end with this. I can’t wrap my head around it. Why would this work over and over and then randomly not work at all with the same equipment???
Part of me things I should just send back the ASD and buy a cheap ass 4K display that’ll work with both…but I do LOVE the ASD and I don’t really wanna do that. I could also just get my company to give me a junk monitor and use that with the PC…but my home office is a basement (secondary) kitchen table and it does have to be taken apart - not daily but regularly when we eat in this area. So not having to move 2 monitors when I have to take down my setup is desirable.
Is there anything else I can try here? What am I missing???? The PC sees the ASD and it shows up in displays…but it’s a blackout. Why is this not working with a TB port on the PC???
Appreciate the knowledge if there’s any to be given here.
EDIT: on the PC, when I look in advanced display settings, it says the internal display is “Connected to Intel(R) UHD Graphicals 630” but when I switch to the Studio Display (which is clearly identified), it says “Connected to NVIDIA Quadra T1000”. Does this provide any helpful info?
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it's somewhat flaky on my windows laptop.
some things i noted:
0) make sure your drivers are updated
1) make sure you set the resolution to 1440 on the monitor configuration, i can't get 5k to work yet, it just blacks out the screen.
2) try first with "duplicate desktop"
3) reboot the monitor and reconnect
4) make sure your laptop screen is open and on, i can't get it to work with my screen closed. as soon as i close my screen it blacks out the studio display even though the machine is not sleeping.
5) try a few different cables, go direct, dont use any extensions or anything. All that breaks me right now.
6) if you have an option in the bios for discrete or hybrid graphics, try with discrete selected
some things i noted:
0) make sure your drivers are updated
1) make sure you set the resolution to 1440 on the monitor configuration, i can't get 5k to work yet, it just blacks out the screen.
2) try first with "duplicate desktop"
3) reboot the monitor and reconnect
4) make sure your laptop screen is open and on, i can't get it to work with my screen closed. as soon as i close my screen it blacks out the studio display even though the machine is not sleeping.
5) try a few different cables, go direct, dont use any extensions or anything. All that breaks me right now.
6) if you have an option in the bios for discrete or hybrid graphics, try with discrete selected
I have a W10 Lenovo P50 with Nvidia Quadro M1000M work computer. It has also a Tb 3 port. Unlike my older Lenovo with miniDP and HDMI Ports only, which just showed black screen on ASD regardless of used cables, I was happy to see the new laptop working with ASD when connected via the Tb3 ports.
Resolution reported by the Windows Settings and nVidia Control Panel shows 3840x2160. Color depth 8bpc
The 5120x2880 is also visible in both settings as "Recommended" but when selected the ASD is flickering few times than gets back to the 3840x2160
Similar in nVidia panel the 10bpc is visible but cannot be set, it automatically comeback to 8bpc.
Audio does not work, nVidia settings show the ASD as no audio capable display. Camera also not working, but the most annoying is that USB hard drive, mouse or keyboard are not working when connected to the ASD USB-c ports. But they are working when connected directly to the Thunderbolt 3 port on Lenovo.
Reading the experience in this forum, I expect somehow the camera and audio to be dead, but do you guys have also the other USB-c ports on the ASD also not working?
Resolution reported by the Windows Settings and nVidia Control Panel shows 3840x2160. Color depth 8bpc
The 5120x2880 is also visible in both settings as "Recommended" but when selected the ASD is flickering few times than gets back to the 3840x2160
Similar in nVidia panel the 10bpc is visible but cannot be set, it automatically comeback to 8bpc.
Audio does not work, nVidia settings show the ASD as no audio capable display. Camera also not working, but the most annoying is that USB hard drive, mouse or keyboard are not working when connected to the ASD USB-c ports. But they are working when connected directly to the Thunderbolt 3 port on Lenovo.
Reading the experience in this forum, I expect somehow the camera and audio to be dead, but do you guys have also the other USB-c ports on the ASD also not working?
Thought I'd share my experience with this: I'm running Win10 (64-bit), via an Asus Z690 motherboard with integrated TB. Connecting the mother board TB output to the ASD, works fine -- Windows even recognizes the camera, speakers, and microphone as well.
Problem is, that the speakers an microphone do not work properly (cut out frequently). I'm thinking that I need to find the appropriate INF driver files from the latest Bootcamp.
Problem is, that the speakers an microphone do not work properly (cut out frequently). I'm thinking that I need to find the appropriate INF driver files from the latest Bootcamp.