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Wrong...if you don't want to update then get a different phone of deal with the automatic updates that have been in place since iOS5.

I disagree. Legally, whenever Apple change their ToS you have the right to decline to accept them. In that case, you won't be allowed to update.

If you buy a new phone which advertises x GB space, but it has a mandatory download which takes up a significant amount of that, the customer has a right to complain that he was mis-sold the device.

Did you know that Apple still sell 8GB iPhones? In that case, this update (which he has the legal right to refuse) is suddenly taking up nearly half of that space. Nobody would find that acceptable.
 
Of course Apple should not be able to update your system if you don't want it to be updated.
I bet the main reason they are doing this is that it is not yet possible to unlock a phone running iOS 7, and it probably will never be.
 
My mum has a 48Mbps LTE connection as her home broadband. Her bandwidth cap is 12GB per month, which is enough as long as she doesn't watch video or have an app automatically download gigabytes in the background.

Some mobile broadband providers (not the one my mum is with, because I didn't let her) charge excess usage bills instead of crippling your connection when you go over the limit. In that case, 1GB or 2GB of excess usage can cost hundreds of dollars.

And it only takes about 3 minutes to download 1GB on a good LTE connection, so keeping an eye on your bandwidth usage (they send a text message to mum) isn't good enough to save you.

Apple should not be using 3GB of disk space and they should not be consuming large amounts of bandwidth without asking the user for permission. This lawsuit is perfectly valid in my opinion.

12GB capped home internet plans exist in australia, they do not in America. The download is ~750mb. The system needs 3GB of free space on your phone to install, it doesn't mean you downloaded 3gb of stuff.

Like i said before, most home internet plans in the USA are not capped, and for those that are, 100GB+ is usually the minimum. But if anyone actually read the article, the guy isn't suing because he went over his data cap, he's suing because he doesn't want iOS7 and he's mad 3GB on his phone is gone, not because he went over his data cap, which i'm sure he doesn't have. If he did, i'm sure he would be suing for more than $50.
 
Link to where it says he is jail broken and used pirate apps please?
Thought not :rolleyes:

Also, are you implying that all people that jailbreak use pirate apps?

As I said it's obvious, at least to common sense. I wouldn't expect anything more from someone who sues over automatic upgrades, anyway.

As for jailbreak users, not everyone but the vast majority does it for pirating apps. We don't need links for everything.
 
As I said it's obvious, at least to common sense. I wouldn't expect anything more from someone who sues over automatic upgrades, anyway.

As for jailbreak users, not everyone but the vast majority does it for pirating apps. We don't need links for everything.

Something you and many others in this thread appear to be lacking. :rolleyes:
 
Does the device work? Is it usable? I don't think some temporary loss of storage is meaningful. If you need more storage delete some stuff you never use or move it to a computer. I don't think its a moral issue equivalent to the use of chemical weapons on children. And read the EULA I quoted above. It is legal.

So if it's not chemical attacks on children it's morally irrelevant? I don't think there's many legal codes in the world with assumptions like that. The fact is (and I do prefer the moral to the legal points as companies like Apple can be pretty shady even within the confines of the law), that it takes away 3GB of space, a significant chunk on a device designed to enjoy media on.

Another point is it renders an iPhone 4 pretty much useless, for no apparent reason other than to force the poor user to get a new phone! After seeing that fate befall my 3G, which I'd paid quite a lot for, I'm wary of premature updating.
 
Just update. iOS 6 is a messy out of date OS. iOS 7 allows you to do more and it's just more refined. End of.
 
iOS7 is more commercial thing, try to use iOS7 on iPhone4 - it is slow... while Android updates for Android phones - in every update speeds up animations and overall performance, but Apple strategy is to kill iPhone4 and 3Gs culture to speed up pumping new phones by making software more self-rigorous for old iPhones.

they did exactly the same to the iPhone 3G with iOS 4. Pretty disgusting, particularly if you also take into account you can't downgrade to a still-not-crippled OS version.

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Another point is it renders an iPhone 4 pretty much useless, for no apparent reason other than to force the poor user to get a new phone! After seeing that fate befall my 3G, which I'd paid quite a lot for, I'm wary of premature updating.

Exactly - see my just-posted comment above.

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Just update. iOS 6 is a messy out of date OS. iOS 7 allows you to do more and it's just more refined. End of.

Not until jailbroken. Need my f.lux - something Apple should at least allow for (as does Google, even on non-rooted devices), if not build right into the OS.
 
Something you and many others in this thread appear to be lacking. :rolleyes:

This.

Look, I am totally against frivolous lawsuits. But this guy sued in a small claims court for relief that Apple was apparently not going to give him otherwise. And the $50 was likely a requirement to get into the venue.

More power to the guy. It would nice if he wins. Heck, the result of his lawsuit could be 3GB of data freed up on many users' phones.
 
Next up:

1. microsoft gets sued for windows updates occurring automatically, as scheduled by the automatic scheduler.

2. Oracle gets sued because of the annoying "Do you want to updated Java" popups that occur every day causing customers mental anxiety and distress.

The Lawyer initiates a class action lawsuit in which he gets $150M and each customer gets a coupon for a free car wash with a tank of gas...

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Heck, the result of his lawsuit could be 3GB of data freed up on many users' phones.

Yet the guy isn't complaining about the 6 GB of "other" in his phone, some of which is made up of incomplete video downloads that NEVER go away unless you manually delete them with a file explorer on a Mac?
 
Just update. iOS 6 is a messy out of date OS. iOS 7 allows you to do more and it's just more refined. End of.

Be honest, it's iOS 6 after an accident in a paint factory.

Apple needs to give users the option to not download these updates automatically, and definitely needs to give users the ability to free up space if they have no intention of updating to the latest iteration of iOS.

There's a very finely line between offering a walled garden and a hamstrung device.
 
Next up:

1. microsoft gets sued for windows updates occurring automatically, as scheduled by the automatic scheduler.

2. Oracle gets sued because of the annoying "Do you want to updated Java" popups that occur every day causing customers mental anxiety and distress.

The Lawyer initiates a class action lawsuit in which he gets $150M and each customer gets a coupon for a free car wash with a tank of gas...

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Yet the guy isn't complaining about the 6 GB of "other" in his phone, some of which is made up of incomplete video downloads that NEVER go away unless you manually delete them with a file explorer on a Mac?

You have no idea do you! Your examples are like comparing chalk to cheese. Lets try and break this down!

1) I can turn off automatic updates from Microsoft.
2) This wasn't just any update, this was a new version of ios.

He is complaining that 3GB has been taken away from him. His only option to get it back is to install the new version of ios which he dosent want to do.
 
iOS 7 was a near disaster for my parents.
(should add, they both just turned 80, the iPad was their 50th anniversary present :) )

They have an old PPC Mac that does not support iTunes 11.1 for iOS 7.
One of them updated to iOS 7 and promptly forgot the password.
It was nearly 2 weeks before I could take their iPad to a newer computer to do a restore and then cross my fingers the iCloud would fully restore.
Meanwhile my parents lost their primary way to communicate with distant relatives and me.

Now they have to learn how to operate a radically different iOS.


I honestly support this lawsuit, I would prefer my parents stay in iOS6 (thus revert).
 
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So move some photos and videos to a computer to free up more space or complete the upgrade. Problem solved. No need to resort to litigation.

If the person doesn't want to upgrade, as explained in the OP, they don't have to upgrade. The point of the case is that Apple is hijacking 3 gigs of space on his device, effectively forcing him to upgrade under duress. He filed in SMALL CLAIMS COURT! He isn't trying to get rich, he just wants to use his device the way he wants.

There are countless reasons why someone might want or need to stay on iOS 6 on a device they paid for. Who are you (or Apple) to judge them and say they can't?
 
If the person doesn't want to upgrade, as explained in the OP, they don't have to upgrade. The point of the case is that Apple is hijacking 3 gigs of space on his device, effectively forcing him to upgrade under duress. He filed in SMALL CLAIMS COURT! He isn't trying to get rich, he just wants to use his device the way he wants.

There are countless reasons why someone might want or need to stay on iOS 6 on a device they paid for. Who are you (or Apple) to judge them and say they can't?

I don't see 3 gb as a big deal. I'm sure there is plenty of stuff he can move off his device or delete entirely if he is out of room. More likely this is someone seeking attention.

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You have no idea do you! Your examples are like comparing chalk to cheese. Lets try and break this down!

1) I can turn off automatic updates from Microsoft.
2) This wasn't just any update, this was a new version of ios.

He is complaining that 3GB has been taken away from him. His only option to get it back is to install the new version of ios which he dosent want to do.

The last Microsoft update took away 150 mg of space. Should I sue? Oh no the new ms operating system is 10 gb bigger. Should I sue?

People who run to courts for little piddy problems are what's wrong with our civil judicial system.

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This.

Look, I am totally against frivolous lawsuits. But this guy sued in a small claims court for relief that Apple was apparently not going to give him otherwise. And the $50 was likely a requirement to get into the venue.

More power to the guy. It would nice if he wins. Heck, the result of his lawsuit could be 3GB of data freed up on many users' phones.

Ther is no implied or explicit guarantee that you will always have access to all space originally on your 16 gb or 32 gb or 64 gb device. I win this thread.

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The user shouldn't have iOS 7 forced on them.

It's not. But there is 3 gb less space until he updates fully.

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I disagree. Legally, whenever Apple change their ToS you have the right to decline to accept them. In that case, you won't be allowed to update.

If you buy a new phone which advertises x GB space, but it has a mandatory download which takes up a significant amount of that, the customer has a right to complain that he was mis-sold the device.

Did you know that Apple still sell 8GB iPhones? In that case, this update (which he has the legal right to refuse) is suddenly taking up nearly half of that space. Nobody would find that acceptable.

Can complain. But no right for relief:

7.3 TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE", WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, AND APPLE AND APPLE'S LICENSORS (COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS "APPLE" FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 7 AND 8) HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND/OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ACCURACY, QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS.

7.4 APPLE DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN, OR SERVICES PERFORMED OR PROVIDED BY, THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE OPERATION OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, THAT ANY SERVICE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, THAT DEFECTS IN THE iOS SOFTWARE OR SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED, OR THAT THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL BE COMPATIBLE OR WORK WITH ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY SERVICES. INSTALLATION OF THIS iOS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY SERVICES.

8. Limitation of Liability. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL APPLE BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR ANY INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, CORRUPTION OR LOSS OF DATA, FAILURE TO TRANSMIT OR RECEIVE ANY DATA, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION OR ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL DAMAGES OR LOSSES, ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO YOUR USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES OR ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE OR APPLICATIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE iOS SOFTWARE OR SERVICES, HOWEVER CAUSED, REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY (CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE) AND EVEN IF APPLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THIS LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. In no event shall Apple's total liability to you for all damages (other than as may be required by applicable law in cases involving personal injury) exceed the amount of two hundred and fifty dollars (U.S.$250.00). The foregoing limitations will apply even if the above stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.

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If the person doesn't want to upgrade, as explained in the OP, they don't have to upgrade. The point of the case is that Apple is hijacking 3 gigs of space on his device, effectively forcing him to upgrade under duress. He filed in SMALL CLAIMS COURT! He isn't trying to get rich, he just wants to use his device the way he wants.

There are countless reasons why someone might want or need to stay on iOS 6 on a device they paid for. Who are you (or Apple) to judge them and say they can't?

By the terms he agreed to:

7.3 TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE", WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, AND APPLE AND APPLE'S LICENSORS (COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS "APPLE" FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 7 AND 8) HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND/OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ACCURACY, QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS.

7.4 APPLE DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN, OR SERVICES PERFORMED OR PROVIDED BY, THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE OPERATION OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, THAT ANY SERVICE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, THAT DEFECTS IN THE iOS SOFTWARE OR SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED, OR THAT THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL BE COMPATIBLE OR WORK WITH ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY SERVICES. INSTALLATION OF THIS iOS SOFTWARE MAY AFFECT THE USABILITY OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY SERVICES.

8. Limitation of Liability. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL APPLE BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR ANY INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, CORRUPTION OR LOSS OF DATA, FAILURE TO TRANSMIT OR RECEIVE ANY DATA, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION OR ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL DAMAGES OR LOSSES, ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO YOUR USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES OR ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE OR APPLICATIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE iOS SOFTWARE OR SERVICES, HOWEVER CAUSED, REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY (CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE) AND EVEN IF APPLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THIS LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. In no event shall Apple's total liability to you for all damages (other than as may be required by applicable law in cases involving personal injury) exceed the amount of two hundred and fifty dollars (U.S.$250.00). The foregoing limitations will apply even if the above stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.
 
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