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Something you and many others in this thread appear to be lacking. :rolleyes:

That's not a great argument now, is it ? And I don't know why you personalize the discussion with personal attacks. It's interesting, though, how many people bite the bait when the talk turns towards jailbreaking, and start defending blindly the jailbreakers. I wonder why...

To get back to the subject, though, the aforementioned person surely has a lot of free time to spare, if he sues Apple for such nonsense. And why he wouldn't upgrade to a free iOS 7 ? (which he will have to do eventually, due to future app. requirements & incompatibilities)
 
caesarp -
But 3GB is a big deal if you wasnt expecting to lose it. What about people with 8GB iPhones? Just because you dont think its a bid deal, dosent mean other people dont.

As for the Microsoft update you quoted being 150mb - You dont have to accept Mircosoft updates so dont lose the space! Plus there is a huge difference beteeen 150mb and 3000mb!


I win this thread.

No point getting into discussion with a child.

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That's not a great argument now, is it ? And I don't know why you personalize the discussion with personal attacks. It's interesting, though, how many people bite the bait when the talk turns towards jailbreaking, and start defending blindly the jailbreakers. I wonder why...

To get back to the subject, though, the aforementioned person surely has a lot of free time to spare, if he sues Apple for such nonsense. And why he wouldn't upgrade to a free iOS 7 ? (which he will have to do eventually, due to future app. requirements & incompatibilities)

I Know. I wasnt carrying out a discussion with this member and was instead throwing back the insult he posted. Have a read back ;)
 
Simple solution: Install the iOS 7 download and get over yourself. iOS 7 is great, live in the now and not in the past.

I don't feel I need moving to the mountains or to the beach. Sometimes you must just stay where you feel comfortable. That's why I'm still in Snow Leopard.

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Why does he need to upgrade? Because you say he should?

Actually upgrading software in old hardware only makes it slower and more obsolete.
 
Many applications still list iOS 5 as a minimum requirement. Seems more dependent upon hardware than software. I can't get why Apple ditched what made its reputation in interfaces, namely very detailed skeumorphism.

Otherwise, solutions to avoid automatic download:
Either jailbreak with installation of Reset and Update command disabling
or always keep your i-device filled to the brim :)

I prefer the latter
 
You have no idea do you! Your examples are like comparing chalk to cheese.

I do have an idea. My idea is that this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I compared it to what would be other pointless lawsuits. The plaintiff is going to be unable to actually prove any distress, so his suit will be denied. It looks like I have a lot of similar minded participants in this thread.

I think the topic of this lawsuit is outside the normal area that is resolved at small claims court. There are no monetary (other then the $50 to recoup cost of filing) or contractual issues, so I am not sure what the judge would rule. And since this is small claims court, the plaintiff will have to enforce the court's finding himself, which would be impossible to do.

At least this is just small claims court and not gunslinger looking to make millions.
 
caesarp -
But 3GB is a big deal if you wasnt expecting to lose it. What about people with 8GB iPhones? Just because you dont think its a bid deal, dosent mean other people dont.

As for the Microsoft update you quoted being 150mb - You dont have to accept Mircosoft updates so dont lose the space! Plus there is a huge difference beteeen 150mb and 3000mb!




No point getting into discussion with a child.

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I Know. I wasnt carrying out a discussion with this member and was instead throwing back the insult he posted. Have a read back ;)

You are right Dave, no point arguing with someone who will is simply here to see himself patted on the back for being smarter than the rest of us.

I hope this guy wins his case, so I can free up some space on my iPad without the fear of Apple stealing 18.75% of the total capacity. I get space being required for the OS. No problem there. But as I am stuck using 7 on my phone, I'd rather not have it on my iPad at this time. The UI still needs a lot of work.

I hope that is okay with caesarp, as I did pay for this iPad with my money rather than his. I guess we need to ask him anytime we want to do something though.

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I do have an idea. My idea is that this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I compared it to what would be other pointless lawsuits. The plaintiff is going to be unable to actually prove any distress, so his suit will be denied. It looks like I have a lot of similar minded participants in this thread.

I think the topic of this lawsuit is outside the normal area that is resolved at small claims court. There are no monetary (other then the $50 to recoup cost of filing) or contractual issues, so I am not sure what the judge would rule. And since this is small claims court, the plaintiff will have to enforce the court's finding himself, which would be impossible to do.

At least this is just small claims court and not gunslinger looking to make millions.
Hey Tmarks, I would be under distress if I suddenly lost 18.75% of the capacity of my device. For 8 gig models of the phones, that is 37.5% I would like to see him win.
 
12GB capped home internet plans exist in australia, they do not in America. The download is ~750mb. The system needs 3GB of free space on your phone to install, it doesn't mean you downloaded 3gb of stuff.

Actually, it's $SIZE (it varies depending on device) x 3 (7.0, 7.0.1, 7.0.2 have each been auto-downloaded) x number of devices in the household.

Just sayin'.
 
Rather than looking at it from a 'Everyone trying to sue Apple!' standpoint, look at it from the opposite side:

What justification is there for withholding 3gb of space on an iPhone where there is, and for the foreseeable future will not be, any benefit to the end user?

This could be almost 20% of a 16gb iPhone, or almost half of an 8gb device. I'm not surprised he's annoyed.
 
I don't see 3 gb as a big deal. I'm sure there is plenty of stuff he can move off his device or delete entirely if he is out of room. More likely this is someone seeking attention.

Brilliant idea. That way he can delete something on his phone that he does want so he can have something on his phone that he doesn't


The last Microsoft update took away 150 mg of space. Should I sue? Oh no the new ms operating system is 10 gb bigger. Should I sue?

People who run to courts for little piddy problems are what's wrong with our civil judicial system.

Ther is no implied or explicit guarantee that you will always have access to all space originally on your 16 gb or 32 gb or 64 gb device. I win this thread.

You had the choice to not download the latest Microsoft Update. This guy didn't have the choice to download iOS7, and his device has lost a chunk of it's capacity of a result, and, despite your attempts to brush over it's significance, is a significant enough chunk to hold the best part of a thousand tracks.

There is only one question I have for you, and so many other people on this forum:

Why is that you, the consumer, the end user, the beneficiary of these devices, so often, so passionately, and at times absurdly defend the right the Apple to provide you with sub-standard products (Maps, Antenna-gate), grossly inflated prices (iPhone 5c), or the forcing upon you often of decisions that should be left up to you (This present case)?
 
I disagree. Legally, whenever Apple change their ToS you have the right to decline to accept them. In that case, you won't be allowed to update.

If you buy a new phone which advertises x GB space, but it has a mandatory download which takes up a significant amount of that, the customer has a right to complain that he was mis-sold the device.

Did you know that Apple still sell 8GB iPhones? In that case, this update (which he has the legal right to refuse) is suddenly taking up nearly half of that space. Nobody would find that acceptable.

That is the hazard of buying old tech. We been going through this with computers for years.

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Brilliant idea. That way he can delete something on his phone that he does want so he can have something on his phone that he doesn't




You had the choice to not download the latest Microsoft Update. This guy didn't have the choice to download iOS7, and his device has lost a chunk of it's capacity of a result, and, despite your attempts to brush over it's significance, is a significant enough chunk to hold the best part of a thousand tracks.

There is only one question I have for you, and so many other people on this forum:

Why is that you, the consumer, the end user, the beneficiary of these devices, so often, so passionately, and at times absurdly defend the right the Apple to provide you with sub-standard products (Maps, Antenna-gate), grossly inflated prices (iPhone 5c), or the forcing upon you often of decisions that should be left up to you (This present case)?

If this was a sub standard device then consumers will speak with their wallets and choose something else.

I (as many others) have not suffered from any of the issues you mentioned
 
Rather than looking at it from a 'Everyone trying to sue Apple!' standpoint, look at it from the opposite side:

What justification is there for withholding 3gb of space on an iPhone where there is, and for the foreseeable future will not be, any benefit to the end user?

This could be almost 20% of a 16gb iPhone, or almost half of an 8gb device. I'm not surprised he's annoyed.

If it really bothered him that much he could simply complete the update and reclaim the space. Clearly he just wants to be annoying and get attention. He hasn't said he would lose anything by going to ios 7.

I have no sympathy for people like that.

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Rather than looking at it from a 'Everyone trying to sue Apple!' standpoint, look at it from the opposite side:

What justification is there for withholding 3gb of space on an iPhone where there is, and for the foreseeable future will not be, any benefit to the end user?

This could be almost 20% of a 16gb iPhone, or almost half of an 8gb device. I'm not surprised he's annoyed.

What justification is there for not updating to ios 7 if you need the 3 gb? What's the big deal?
 
If it really bothered him that much he could simply complete the update and reclaim the space. Clearly he just wants to be annoying and get attention. He hasn't said he would lose anything by going to ios 7.

I have no sympathy for people like that.

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What justification is there for not updating to ios 7 if you need the 3 gb? What's the big deal?


For me you are annoying and clearly you just wanna get attention because a hundred people here in this thread already explained what's the big deal : Older devices loose performance when updated. Clear now ? Performance lose !
Not to mention the matter of preference. Would you like to be forced to drive only a yellow car without the possibility to customise your car or revert to a 3 year old model ?

I have no sympathy for people like you !
They clearly are concerned only for their problems. When someone else has a problem : It's not a big deal - learn to live with it.
 
Wow I can think of more than a few Microsoft products that's bothers me to the point of a lawsuit, however it's just not that serious to me. Hmmm actually android too.
Small personal hand heald gadgets are to disposable to get all inflamed with anger to the point of disturbing my life with such a time and money consuming process. Especially one that will more than likely yeld nothing.
 
For me you are annoying and clearly you just wanna get attention because a hundred people here in this thread already explained what's the big deal : Older devices loose performance when updated. Clear now ? Performance lose !
Not to mention the matter of preference. Would you like to be forced to drive only a yellow car without the possibility to customise your car or revert to a 3 year old model ?

I have no sympathy for people like you !
They clearly are concerned only for their problems. When someone else has a problem : It's not a big deal - learn to live with it.

First of all it is "lose" performance. I don't think you mean the iphone becomes less tight. That is loose.

Secondly, the user can choose either a minor performance hit or less space. Moreover any performance loss can be adjusted by turning off some features in ios 7.

And the whining of performance is likely overblown. I have ios 7 on an ipad 3. Supposedly not optimal for the new ios. Yet it is fine.
 
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This entire "issue" is moot.
This is not about Apple or iOS. This is default OS behavior across the board. Don't even pretend otherwise.
 
But then his phone would 'restore' to iOS 7, or not? The point is that you cannot get around this. If you have an eligible device with iOS 6, then iOS 7 will be downloaded. That's the whole point.

people have a choice to stay with ios6.
 
people have a choice to stay with ios6.

That may be so, but they are coerced into updating as Apple, apparently, makes it impossible to stay on iOS 6 without losing a lot of space. You can stick with iOS 6, but at the cost of less hard-drive capacity.
 
That may be so, but they are coerced into updating as Apple, apparently, makes it impossible to stay on iOS 6 without losing a lot of space. You can stick with iOS 6, but at the cost of less hard-drive capacity.

well they are not coerced into updating apps or ios..but not updating it...sure features will be excluded...still..if they are happy..that's it then.
 
what a bunch of whiney ***********. Why don't they just install iOS7 like most of the world? You're going to have to do it eventually, legacy support never lasts long. Everything that works in iOS6 works in iOS7 except for jailbreak. The only difference is that iOS7 has a ton of more and useful features which is hard not to like, but aesthetics. If you don't want to upgrade based on aesthetics, that's just vain and silly.

Considering how much apple over charges for storage this is valid.

Also related some people prefer battery life to bells and whistles. It has significantly deteriorated with each iteration of iOS, see the heaps of unhappy people on their own forums about it.

Apples force feed foie gras approach is getting *old*.
 
Obviously, these idiots didn't read this in the terms of use. It's under 1. General

The software (including Boot ROM code and other embedded software), documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data that came with your iOS Device ("Original iOS Software"), as may be updated or replaced by feature enhancements, software updates or system restore software provided by Apple ("iOS Software Updates"), whether in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (the Original iOS Software and iOS Software Updates are collectively referred to as the “iOS Software") are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. ("Apple") for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and its licensors retain ownership of the iOS Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you.
(b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device. The iOS Software Updates, if any, may not necessarily include all existing software features or new features that Apple releases for newer or other models of iOS Devices. The terms of this License will govern any iOS Software Updates provided by Apple that replace and/ or supplement the Original iOS Software product, unless such iOS Software Update
is accompanied by a separate license in which case the terms of that license will govern.

Apple and its licensors reserve the right to
change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any Services at any time without notice. In no event will Apple be liable for the removal of or disabling of access to any such Services. Apple may also impose limits on the use of or access to certain Services, in any case and without notice or liability.
 
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This entire "issue" is moot.
This is not about Apple or iOS. This is default OS behavior across the board. Don't even pretend otherwise.

Wrong! Android gives you the option. Exactly the same for Microsoft, I can turn the updates off too. :rolleyes:
 

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It's just as usable as iOS6. I suggest you restore you iPhone because clearly something isn't working correctly.

iOS7 is a soup sandwich on iPhone 4's even with a clean install

And 70% of devices that have already upgraded are just plodding along with all these supposed problems. Works great. Upgrade.

Dosn't work great here

This thread has went on for 13 pages & not one person has mentioned this issue was already resolved like a month ago . Guess everyone missed the memo .

Sync with itunes . When asked if you want to download & install the update select do not ask me again then cancel .

The download is erased from the device & no auto download in the future .

Least till the next update rolls around. :rolleyes:

Case dismissed !!!

What do you do if you have no iTunes?

Link to where it says he is jail broken and used pirate apps please?
Thought not :rolleyes:

Also, are you implying that all people that jailbreak use pirate apps?

What the poster was actually doing is showing us his inability to critically think.
 
Capped plans don't exist anymore in the US? Last time I compared, North America as a whole was keen on high-speeds low caps, and this was a special concern for cable internet. Isn't it the case anymore? FTR I do consider 100GB+ technically as a cap, and a rather low one.
 
99% of US Home internet plans do not have data caps. If they do, the cap is usually 100GB+. I seriously doubt he's suing for this reason. He's suing because he doesn't like colors.

That's EXACTLY the point. That may be the case in the US, but the US is not the majority of the Apple market. These HUGE Apple downloads were bad enough when you had a choice now they are just downright criminal. In many countries in Europe/Asia/Australia you get a data cap of just a few gig for the month and in terms of third world countries forget it! Apple has become simply elitist. They may well live to regret the way they are treating emerging markets now, they might have small data caps, but they also have VERY long memories
 
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