Hmmm....wonder if XEROX should sue Apple for selling LISA with the GUI interface (aka Mouse).
Perpetuating a myth are we???
http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/myth-copyright-theft-apple-stole-gui-from-xerox-parc-alto/
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Apple Suing Motorola Over Design of Xoom Tablet
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Perpetuating a myth are we???
http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/myth-copyright-theft-apple-stole-gui-from-xerox-parc-alto/
In the long run 80% of these just waste money on high priced attorney's that argue back and forth then someone decides to pay the other one.
I would say yes to fight for your patents, but it just seems like a large waste of resources and money that can be used somewhere else because these things never go really well either.
I would say yes to fight for your patents, but it just seems like a large waste of resources and money that can be used somewhere else because these things never go really well either.
Um... no.
I had one of those TC1000's for work back in 2004 and it was a steaming turd of technology. It was slow, unresponsive, and just flat out didn't work well. Part of that was it's use of Windows XP with a tablet layer, part of it was the horribly under specced hardware. Part of it was the dismal build quality out of HP / Compaq, and mostly, it was totally useless without a keyboard (which normally didn't work). Mine had to be fixed 4 times by HP for faulty hardware....Bluetooth once, Network controller once, main logic board twice. I also went through 5 keyboards since they would just stop working due to faulty hardware. I was also responsible for a group that had these... 45 people. I believe all but 1 of them had problems. Needless to say, when the leases were up, we went a different route.
Form factor was similar to the iPad, in that in the "sans keyboard" mode, you could hold it. However, the bezel didn't do anything for you since the screen was not touch enabled, it used a stylus. Orientation had to be manually set... no sensor to adjust for you. It was way heavier than an iPad, way thicker than an iPad, had a different input method than the iPad, different operating system and software than the iPad.
I never said choice was bad....But would good are choices when they all start to look like the same choice.
If it wasn't for Henry Ford, there would be no Toyota. Ford must sue every other car maker to protect itself.
<Insert picture of similarities between Ford and Toyota cars - 4 wheels, glass upfront, a freaking engine AND a steering wheel - what more proof do you need>
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Motorola / Google's blatant stealing is so obvious
That second image, with the "dock," shows how glaringly obvious it is that Google just copied Apple's work on iOS' look and feel. Looks like iOS with a little Windows XP cartoonishness mixed in.
That second image, with the "dock," shows how glaringly obvious it is that Google just copied Apple's work on iOS' look and feel. Looks like iOS with a little Windows XP cartoonishness mixed in.
Not true, my stores sell many more Xooms than iPads because it's an LTE device. I own a Xoom for this very reason
According to Jobs, using a touch UI started as a demo on a tablet (probably under OSX). The choice of creating iOS from OSX was a different decision, and could've gone Linux instead if at least one Apple exec had had their way.
You might be thinking of trademarks, which must be defended constantly.
You don't have to sue everyone over your patents. In fact, sometimes it makes sense to wait until an infringer makes enough money to make it worthwhile.
Some of them had done mobile OSes on a tablet a decade before, when the hardware still wasn't ripe. In the enterprise world, we were using instant-on Windows CE on slates and tablets over ten years ago.
Webpads and media players such as those from Archos and others have been around a long time, too. Slates, tablets, pads, internet appliances, these have all been around. Here's a helpful article from 2002.
Here we go again:
And this Freescale reference device design debuted two weeks before the iPad was first shown:
A curved black bezel isn't an unique idea.
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Just a little bit. But of course you can always interact most apps by holding with just one hand and interfacing with the other, or use a smart cover or stand for hands-free.
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so to sum it uo people want the ipad to be the only square tablet with a brezel running a mobile os. how is this good for the customer again? i like to have a choice of diff kinds even tho id chose an ipad anyway (maybe not anymore just out of principal). i still think competition is great and maybe companies should find a way to deal with it. other say it stops innovation, i dont agree at all it stopps them from being lazy and encourages them to come up with sth greater. lets say apple was the only one, theyd release an ipad 3 with barely changes as they dont have to fear anyone to come up with sth greater in the future
so to sum it uo people want the ipad to be the only square tablet with a brezel running a mobile os. how is this good for the customer again? i like to have a choice of diff kinds even tho id chose an ipad anyway (maybe not anymore just out of principal). i still think competition is great and maybe companies should find a way to deal with it. other say it stops innovation, i dont agree at all it stopps them from being lazy and encourages them to come up with sth greater. lets say apple was the only one, theyd release an ipad 3 with barely changes as they dont have to fear anyone to come up with sth greater in the future
Actually, I am almost positive that the HP Slate was shown in that form factor before the iPad. It was actually release after the iPad but was shown first.
So you are admitting that Apple took the tablet idea from someone else and put it in a fancy black rectangle?
What if Ford copied the 2012 Honda Accord?
There's no patent on 4 wheeled vehicles with a glass windshield, engine and a steering wheel. But if Ford tried to make a near-perfect clone of the 2012 Honda Accord, they'll get smacked down. As they should.
And how about this for a little Ford-related patent law trivia: Robert Kearns successfully sued Ford and Chrysler over their use of his invention, the intermittent wiper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kearns
See? Patents *do* protect innovation.
There's no patent on 4 wheeled vehicles with a glass windshield, engine and a steering wheel. But if Ford tried to make a near-perfect clone of the 2012 Honda Accord, they'll get smacked down. As they should.
And how about this for a little Ford-related patent law trivia: Robert Kearns successfully sued Ford and Chrysler over their use of his invention, the intermittent wiper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kearns
See? Patents *do* protect innovation.
hmm
I will get blasted for this but isn't suing Motorola dangerous? I would think with Motorola being such an old company and having a lot of patents with cell phones and the like , wouldn't apple be risking a counter suit ? Motorola does have 2g/3g and 4g patents.
I will get blasted for this but isn't suing Motorola dangerous? I would think with Motorola being such an old company and having a lot of patents with cell phones and the like , wouldn't apple be risking a counter suit ? Motorola does have 2g/3g and 4g patents.
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If that doesn't convince people why Apple are suing....
That's just ridiculous.
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If that doesn't convince people why Apple are suing....
That's just ridiculous.
The Xoom is heavier than the iPad. The Xoom is thicker than the iPad. The Xoom has a different operating system and software than the iPad.
The Xoom does have a capacitive touchscreen (input method), I'll agree. Is this what Apple is suing over?
Thanks for the obvious voice of reason coming into this thread...
...this really has become a sad place.
I now wait for the Gamescom to begin here - wait what Windows Phone Team has come up with - and maybe my next electronic devices will be *shudder* the return to Windows.
Apple paid Xerox. Next question.
From Wikipedia: "The first successful commercial GUI product was the Apple Macintosh, which was heavily inspired by PARC's work; Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple, in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product."
Full article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_(company)#Adoption_by_Apple
From Wikipedia: "The first successful commercial GUI product was the Apple Macintosh, which was heavily inspired by PARC's work; Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple, in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product."
Full article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_(company)#Adoption_by_Apple
The stock market is so down this week that Nasdaq.com broke. It still has a bunch of bugs.
It isn't so much a case of not innovating; I'm using Macs because of the OS/hardware integration. It's a case of greed. Someone (he who must not be named?) at Apple wants to control everything...content, smart phones, tablets and now is trying to stifle competition with lawsuits.
Yesterday's announcement that Apple was the largest company on earth may just have been its zenith. Much of the reason they got where they are is by shipping manufacturing away from the US to cheap labor Asian countries, and now they are suing the pants off the very own suppliers of their hardware (LG & Samsung, iPad and iPhone screens).
Apple is p***ing of just about every electronics company on the planet. Being the biggest fish in the pond is one thing; wanting to be the ONLY fish in the pond won't work. It's going to backfire-big time. Between Apple and the other bottom feeding patent troll law firms the entire industry faces strangling itself. The EU and other Asian countries can't afford to let Apple run the whole show. I can see many of the latest patents for 'look and feel' being revisited as they have been too broadly based which has allowed stifling of competition and innovation, contradicting the very reason patents are granted. Not to over-simplify, but imagine Smith-Corona (or whichever company came out with the first typewriter) suing IBM and Underwood for the placement of their keys or carriage handle, etc. on typewriters; there is a point where standardization and true technical innovation blurs. Right now, thanks to too broad patent awards failing to competently assess rapidly evolving technologies and lack of judges competent to evaluate the issues the entire industry may come screeching to a halt...the worst possible outcome in these dangerous financial times.
Look to the EU to start anti-competition proceedings against Apple and possible industry backlash. Apple is growing too fast for its own good, spreading itself too thin and greedy. Right now everyone is kow-towing to Apple and heaping praise on it in the press and trade publications. Soon these same sources will be dissecting Apple's meteoric rise and fall explaining to their readership what went wrong. Apple will mess it up eventually confirming Santayana
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