As it is, Apple Watch is just another way overpriced health tracking gadget = BORING.
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Apple Supplier Numbers Suggest Apple Watch Sales Are Below Analyst Expectations
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You had your phone on you anyway so it didn't make a difference.
It's not even good at health tracking.. Doesn't it only check your heart rate every 10 minutes? And it counts your steps.. I can use the camera and flash on my iPhone to do that, and the iPhone counts steps too.
Not sure why you're hating on the Apple Watch so much, a product you clearly never owned judging by your past comments.
I'm beyond happy with mine. I have the space black link bracelet 42mm Apple Watch. The mechanical engineering on the link bracelet is beyond any watch I ever owned and I owned watches in the $1-3,000 range. It is hard to understand how good it is until you use it, and once you use it you cannot go without it.
Here is some reasons you should buy it:
1.) You already wear fashionable watches on a regular basis, than why not buy the Apple Watch. It does so much more.
2.) You are interested in a wearable fitness device, than there is nothing better than the Apple Watch.
3.) You are used to widgets from android, this is so much better, you don't even need to pull your phone out.
Basically, if you are a busy, active, and/or an organized person, the apple watch will make your life so much easier. If you are the type of person that forgets to charge their phone on a daily basis, you don't live by a strict schedule, and you have no interest in ever going to the gym, well, than the watch is not for you.
Here is some reasons you should buy it:
1.) You already wear fashionable watches on a regular basis, than why not buy the Apple Watch. It does so much more.
2.) You are interested in a wearable fitness device, than there is nothing better than the Apple Watch.
3.) You are used to widgets from android, this is so much better, you don't even need to pull your phone out.
Basically, if you are a busy, active, and/or an organized person, the apple watch will make your life so much easier. If you are the type of person that forgets to charge their phone on a daily basis, you don't live by a strict schedule, and you have no interest in ever going to the gym, well, than the watch is not for you.
I think investors are mostly interested in dollars received over units shipped. Some may be making longer term strategic decisions anticipating declining growth in the iPhone and wondering what will continue to power the company but if they're that savvy they almost certainly realize there's nothing to be learned from supply constrained first quarter data.
I think most of the people counting units are people in forums like this that have picked a team and want to shout "we win" at shadows of data.
I'll say this: at least Rogifan counters with thoughtful arguments rather than the "yes it is!", "no it isn't", "yeah, well Samsung!" nonsense that fills most of these threads.What I don't understand is your need to counter other people's commentary. I don't disagree with you and many of your posts. However, that doesn't mean other people can't interpret or believe what they want to. And I realize I'm a little hypocritical when I say that. But since there are very few "facts" here - there's bound to be a variety of interpretations.
So... that.
And the ideas of "flop," "killer" and other descriptors is really subjective anyway. My nearest bodega selling 1M oranges would be HUGE. Sunkist selling 1M oranges is not much.
Apple's biggest "enemy" is very likely itself. For many reasons.
As you say, there's very little new data and what data there is is mostly estimates based on expected correlations with other numbers that are extrapolated from year ago web analytics, blah, blah, blah. Based on that, people in the forums make absurd assertions. I think most of them are probably bait by lonely people who hope saying "Apple watch is a bag of hurt" will get someone to talk to them, even if it's just to say "yeah, well at least it's thinner than Samsung's bag", but some of the posters might have something interesting to say and just haven't figure out how to formulate the argument yet.
Engaging a few of these people with a reasoned response, or watching Rogifan do it, makes the forum a more interesting place. Calling out the nonsense also encourages people to be ready to support their assertions with complete thoughts.
I think that's why they equipped this place with a reply button in the first place.
It looks disgusting though. Not joking either. I've never seen such an UGLY watch sell for that much money. I would seriously pay Apple NOT to wear it. No way in hell would i put that rubbery piece of crap on me just to look like some loser wearing a watch that looks like it came out of a McDonald's Happy Meal.
I'd rather and proudly buy and wear a mechanical watch for the SAME PRICE, if not LESS!
All this means is that Apple negotiated ASE really well for their boxes if they aren't breaking even on their packaging. If Apple paid their supplier more money per box, they would be breaking even. So, again, all this tells us is that Apple is really good at negotiating prices from suppliers and doesn't tell us wether the apple watch is selling "well" or not for Apple. Apple shareholders are not interested in how much money ASE is making.
It's all corporate speak for damage control. It's a flop dude... a big time useless gimmick. And it's UGLY.
Just because you have no use for it doesn't mean it is useless to others. It is one of those things that feels like it was made for me. It is non intrusive, it just quietly fits into my life.
It's certainly looking grim for the ill-fated Apple Watch.
It looks as though it will struggle to reach 10 million sales in its first year. I'm afraid to say that if it drops below 10 million, it will be a failure. The market appears to be seeing the same thing: Apple's share price is down 6% in the past three months, which reflects the appalling launch and reception of this strangled trinket.
The long-term implications are gloomy. If this is the best Apple can do post-Steve Jobs, then the glory days of Apple are over, and we must endure the end of the Golden Age of tech.
In a way, there's a certain rightness to the story. Man can achieve great things, but it's not a straight line. Here we are, living in a lull of innovation. At least it affords us time to muse upon brighter days, when we were wowed.
Perhaps Apple could bring out its own cider, the easier to drown its sorrows.
It looks as though it will struggle to reach 10 million sales in its first year. I'm afraid to say that if it drops below 10 million, it will be a failure. The market appears to be seeing the same thing: Apple's share price is down 6% in the past three months, which reflects the appalling launch and reception of this strangled trinket.
The long-term implications are gloomy. If this is the best Apple can do post-Steve Jobs, then the glory days of Apple are over, and we must endure the end of the Golden Age of tech.
In a way, there's a certain rightness to the story. Man can achieve great things, but it's not a straight line. Here we are, living in a lull of innovation. At least it affords us time to muse upon brighter days, when we were wowed.
Perhaps Apple could bring out its own cider, the easier to drown its sorrows.
Exactly. General consensus is mediocre. The general public is not, and will not be getting, excited about the Apple Watch. Time to move past this silly vanity project and focus on markets will greater potential, namely TV/gaming.
Thousands of developers are not happy to support yet another device with a lot of OS limitations.
How is selling 10 million of anything at a substantial profit a failure?
10 million devices at, say, $500 ASP, 30% margin means... $1.5B in profits.
That's about the same as the profits of Macy's, a bit ahead of General Mills and a bit behind Western Digital.
Lol, man i saw a few of your posts.....and I just picture some dude yelling at his computer over apple watch blogs. Anyway, I do agree with you. People seem to be its IMMEDIATELY iPhone level of sales or bust. The watch was never going to be that popular. It's 95% gizmo and 5% fine jewelry, and was only going to have niche appeal. Maybe that will change over time, but I don't think people will start ditching their Movado or Rolex for it.
If that. I don't get it. You have to have a stupid phone to even use it. How lame can you get? Comical, at best.
Yes but the primary target (young people) are not sick and celebrities do not want to measure how much drugs they are using.
All that bashing on those early adopters! If there were no early adopters, - there would be no iPhone 3G, because everybody knows, what a "crap" it was compared to the 3GS... 
Back on topic: what values are those analyst's expectations build upon??!! How about just comparing it to the competitors sales on that 'disappointment scale'?
Back on topic: what values are those analyst's expectations build upon??!! How about just comparing it to the competitors sales on that 'disappointment scale'?
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I think it's a lot worse than you realize/
iPad sales are declining
AW is a failure
Beats Music is unknown
If Beats music under delivers then it shows that without Jobs, Apple can no longer innovate.
so an analyst is saying that sales are below 'needs' when apple has never announced what those needs are or how many watches have sold.
yeah sounds about right
yeah sounds about right
Well growth--demand increasing month after month--would be a good start.
Wow, poor developers, they may have to develope, go figure, what a disgrace
Well, there is the rubbery piece of crap version for $399 as you put it, than there is the link bracelet one for $999. BTW, there isn't a single smartwatch out there that looks as good as the Apple Watch.
Moto 360 comes to mind, which imo is what I had pictured Apple watch would be like but even better.