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Then pay them well.

Apple can't win with some people

consumer: "i want Apple to support unions!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to stop taking advantage of kids in China"
also consumer: "i want Apple to pay employees more!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to give me more free iCloud storage!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to include the charging brick!"

and then consumer goes: "why are prices increasing???"

i'm surprised tim cook puts up with all of these complaints. i would have left the job years ago.
 
And you know who would end up covering those extra costs, right?
exactly. This is not a simple problem, its far far more complicated. even when I ran my own small company with 5 employees it wasnt just "wages". Sooooooooo many other factors.
 
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There are plenty of skilled people in the area.

They just don't want to pay them what the other companies do.

TSMC Prices Per Wafer:

2014, 28nm, $3,000
2016, 10nm, $6,000
2018, 7nm, $10,000
2020, 5nm, $16,000
2022, 3nm, $20,000

With ballooning prices like these, is TSMC really going to cry poor?
remember that this is TSMCs first factory outside Taiwan, they went in with a specific cost model. Covid happened and now every government is pouring $$ into semiconductor. pay rates have gone up significantly in that sector. Intel is facing the same labor issue for their new plants in Ohio, guess how they manage that? they are going to relocate some of their AZ workforce and will pay $$.
Yes, if TSMC were going to offer super competitive $$ in AZ, I think they would get all the people they need, but, that is not in their culture ...
 
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and then customers complain even more on why apple products are so expensive.

Apple can't win with some people

consumer: "i want Apple to support unions!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to stop taking advantage of kids in China"
also consumer: "i want Apple to pay employees more!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to give me more free iCloud storage!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to include the charging brick!"

and then consumer goes: "why are prices increasing???"

i'm surprised tim cook puts up with all of these complaints. i would have left the job years ago.
Tim Cook earned $100 million last year, and $100 million the year before. Spare me the sob story.
 
NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!

It's not that they don't want to work. They don't want to earn what they expect to receive for that work. For example... holiday pay, sick pay, overtime pay ... while they are lazy and slow during their regular work hours. The problem is with attitude and entitlement.

Self-employed people know what I'm talking about. Running a small business requires long hours, hard work, and nobody is paying you benefits or overtime. Your reward is received when the challenges are conquered and there's more revenue than expenses.
 
It's not that they don't want to work. They don't want to earn what they expect to receive for that work. For example... holiday pay, sick pay, overtime pay ... while they are lazy and slow during their regular work hours. The problem is with attitude and entitlement.

Self-employed people know what I'm talking about. Running a small business requires long hours, hard work, and nobody is paying you benefits or overtime. Your reward is received when the challenges are conquered and there's more revenue than expenses.
lol damn, can’t imagine why your employees don’t wanna work for you
 
Tim Cook earned $100 million last year, and $100 million the year before. Spare me the sob story.
I'm not going to spare you the math: 100m / 164k employees = $609 dollars per person per year.

I'm sure Apple would gladly give $609 to each employee per year if it shuts everyone up about those complaints. 🤣
 
THIS is the problem with manufacturing in America. It's not that Americans get higher wages, it's that a large enough number of Americans don't have the skills needed by today's high-tech manufacturers. Companies have no choice but to turn to Asia and India. America is so behind the rest of the world it's not even funny.

are you telling me a degree in Gender Studies is not going to help in this situation?
 
If they didn’t require them to move overseas for many months for training, and would adopt an American mangement style, they’d probably be better able to recruit us engineers.
 
THIS is the problem with manufacturing in America. It's not that Americans get higher wages, it's that a large enough number of Americans don't have the skills needed by today's high-tech manufacturers. Companies have no choice but to turn to Asia and India. America is so behind the rest of the world it's not even funny.
America is very behind, but let’s be clear, companies don’t want to pay what the work is worth. This “skilled labor” line has been running for well over a decade and instead it should be read as “we can’t find enough high skilled workers willing to work for below market rate”.
 
I'm surprised robots cannot just make everything from start to finish by now and replace the workers? This was the promise of the west when I was a kid, all the low end jobs would be gone, but it wouldn't matter as everyone would be middle class and populations would be decreasing. Instead what happened is they just sent all the jobs abroad, while increasing immigration which is causing populations to rise and wages to decrease in relative terms.

Edit: The even worse thing is no one in the west wants a normal job now. They've all grown up on the internet thinking life is one big holiday, so I'm not surprised that the mid skilled level is having a hard time to find people. However these companies need to be willing to train people like they used to, they all just stopped years ago because it costs a lot of money.... But it is the only way. Although I think they'd just close shop and move to India instead.
Just installing and firing up this equipment is a highly, highly delicate process. It takes months, and even things like the floor not being level to 0.001” can result millions of dollars of unusable chips.

Chip factories are no joke, and neither is the paycheck that’s supposed to come with being responsible for installing, testing, running, and maintaining it.
 
No. The pool of skilled workers for this type of thing is much larger in Asia.
With unemployment at its lowest ever? If there’s all these skilled workers sitting around, what do you think the problem is?
 
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Then pay them well.
Nope, its a manufacturing job, not an executive job. If you’re compensated for the product of your labor, you are livestock to be commoditized and traded. If you skim off the top of all the other suckers doing the work, that’s the real value, now you’re in the money. Why can’t we find enough cattle that educated themselves at exorbitant personal cost & at interest, and who someone else trained to do the work, so we can invest nothing and rake in the profit? The darn cattle are so lazy and unappreciative of our generosity these days.
 
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