because they want to keep the bleeding edge in Asia.Why 4nm when 3nm is already there?
because they want to keep the bleeding edge in Asia.Why 4nm when 3nm is already there?
Then pay them well.
exactly. This is not a simple problem, its far far more complicated. even when I ran my own small company with 5 employees it wasnt just "wages". Sooooooooo many other factors.And you know who would end up covering those extra costs, right?
remember that this is TSMCs first factory outside Taiwan, they went in with a specific cost model. Covid happened and now every government is pouring $$ into semiconductor. pay rates have gone up significantly in that sector. Intel is facing the same labor issue for their new plants in Ohio, guess how they manage that? they are going to relocate some of their AZ workforce and will pay $$.There are plenty of skilled people in the area.
They just don't want to pay them what the other companies do.
TSMC Prices Per Wafer:
2014, 28nm, $3,000
2016, 10nm, $6,000
2018, 7nm, $10,000
2020, 5nm, $16,000
2022, 3nm, $20,000
With ballooning prices like these, is TSMC really going to cry poor?
Tim Cook earned $100 million last year, and $100 million the year before. Spare me the sob story.and then customers complain even more on why apple products are so expensive.
Apple can't win with some people
consumer: "i want Apple to support unions!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to stop taking advantage of kids in China"
also consumer: "i want Apple to pay employees more!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to give me more free iCloud storage!"
also consumer: "i want Apple to include the charging brick!"
and then consumer goes: "why are prices increasing???"
i'm surprised tim cook puts up with all of these complaints. i would have left the job years ago.
Okay, stop complaining and git'r done. 🤌
All 👆 tech should be in North America.
NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!
lol damn, can’t imagine why your employees don’t wanna work for youIt's not that they don't want to work. They don't want to earn what they expect to receive for that work. For example... holiday pay, sick pay, overtime pay ... while they are lazy and slow during their regular work hours. The problem is with attitude and entitlement.
Self-employed people know what I'm talking about. Running a small business requires long hours, hard work, and nobody is paying you benefits or overtime. Your reward is received when the challenges are conquered and there's more revenue than expenses.
North America has better clouds. Also, the wild animals look better.There's a name for that. It's a form of discrimination. What makes North America better than other regions? Tell us.
I'm not going to spare you the math: 100m / 164k employees = $609 dollars per person per year.Tim Cook earned $100 million last year, and $100 million the year before. Spare me the sob story.
Apple doesn't currently have any products using 3nm do they? Just rumors talking about poor yields, accumulating whats produced, and guessing when they will arrive.Why 4nm when 3nm is already there?
THIS is the problem with manufacturing in America. It's not that Americans get higher wages, it's that a large enough number of Americans don't have the skills needed by today's high-tech manufacturers. Companies have no choice but to turn to Asia and India. America is so behind the rest of the world it's not even funny.
I can't give you a hard number, but I can definitely give you a number of "more than it is now, 'cause clearly whatever it is now ain't workin'."What do you define as well? 100k? 65k?
Oh wow crazy how hot it get there!!Used to the heat. It's 111° right now. It'll be 115° on Saturday. Fun times melting away! 😚
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Bank is happy to give an education loan for 200 K.are you telling me a degree in Gender Studies is not going to help in this situation?
Why so emotional? That’s not how companies work nor run. Be it in the us, India or china.Tim Cook earned $100 million last year, and $100 million the year before. Spare me the sob story.
Because 3nm yields are bad at this point and mostly reserved for the very high-end/enthusiast segment.Why 4nm when 3nm is already there?
America is very behind, but let’s be clear, companies don’t want to pay what the work is worth. This “skilled labor” line has been running for well over a decade and instead it should be read as “we can’t find enough high skilled workers willing to work for below market rate”.THIS is the problem with manufacturing in America. It's not that Americans get higher wages, it's that a large enough number of Americans don't have the skills needed by today's high-tech manufacturers. Companies have no choice but to turn to Asia and India. America is so behind the rest of the world it's not even funny.
Just installing and firing up this equipment is a highly, highly delicate process. It takes months, and even things like the floor not being level to 0.001” can result millions of dollars of unusable chips.I'm surprised robots cannot just make everything from start to finish by now and replace the workers? This was the promise of the west when I was a kid, all the low end jobs would be gone, but it wouldn't matter as everyone would be middle class and populations would be decreasing. Instead what happened is they just sent all the jobs abroad, while increasing immigration which is causing populations to rise and wages to decrease in relative terms.
Edit: The even worse thing is no one in the west wants a normal job now. They've all grown up on the internet thinking life is one big holiday, so I'm not surprised that the mid skilled level is having a hard time to find people. However these companies need to be willing to train people like they used to, they all just stopped years ago because it costs a lot of money.... But it is the only way. Although I think they'd just close shop and move to India instead.
With unemployment at its lowest ever? If there’s all these skilled workers sitting around, what do you think the problem is?No. The pool of skilled workers for this type of thing is much larger in Asia.
Nope, its a manufacturing job, not an executive job. If you’re compensated for the product of your labor, you are livestock to be commoditized and traded. If you skim off the top of all the other suckers doing the work, that’s the real value, now you’re in the money. Why can’t we find enough cattle that educated themselves at exorbitant personal cost & at interest, and who someone else trained to do the work, so we can invest nothing and rake in the profit? The darn cattle are so lazy and unappreciative of our generosity these days.Then pay them well.