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I suppose 12.9" is big enough to sit on a piano so that the player can read their sheet music? Now what about some truly clever software that uses the microphone to listen to wait you are playing, so that it can change pages at the right moment?

I think he means for composers
 
This is just a smoke screen to hide the development of the new 'bezel-less' 12" Macbook (Air, or otherwise) that will effectively replace the current 11" Macbook Air.

Yet will almost keep the same form factor, because the screen will have no bezel unlike the current 11" Air.

Either that, or it is the remote for the new iATV set. ;)

Hope you're right. I suspect , though, that the rumor is true. I just hope that they still have a retina screen ready a 12" MBA too.
 
iPhone Mini (4 inch)
iPhone Air (5 inch)
iPhone Pro (6 inch) - compete with Galaxy Note

iPhone Nano - aka the iWatch - works in conjunction with iPhone Air/Pro
iPhone Colour - Rebadged 5c as entry level iPhone with 4" screen
iPhone Air - All new design with 4.5" screen
iPhone Pro - Same all new design but with 5" screen

*notable exception iPod Nano
iPod Mini (4 inch)
iPod Air (5 inch)
iPod Pro (6 inch) - compete with Galaxy Note

The iPod is a declining product line, I think it's more likely they will consolidate it into fewer lines rather than more.

iPod Nano - Combines current Nano and Shuffle into one new design.
iPod - Replaces iPod touch/classic with 4" screen and 128GB.
 
Has any considered this may not be iPad rather a new Macbook Air?

Thinking here, 11" and 13" get killed off and replaced with a new 12" retina based on the next generation ARM processors…

Well that's my 2 cents.
 
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Hope you're right. I suspect , though, that the rumor is true. I just hope that they still have a retina screen ready a 12" MBA too.

It's very possible we will get both.

I think they may well combine the 11" & 13" MBA into one new design 12" model.

Then add all new design 14" and 16" MBPs to replace the current 13" & 15" models.

Simply shrinking the current border around the display would be enough to increase the screen sizes without increasing the overall size of each device by too much.
 
The only way a "pro" iPad will work is if apple adds "pro" apps to the app store. I will not be buying a iPad pro if it only has iMovie on it and all I can do is check facebook, and play angry birds. If Apple really believes that the future is tablets they need to add touch versions of Final Cut Pro, Aperture, and Logic to the store.

Apps are what are going to make tablets professional, not a bigger screen.

Touch FCP?

Let me just ingest my 4k Blackmagic Production Camera Raw files into my iPad... oh wait I cant connect an external hard drive.

Screw it! Let's shoot MP4 files on the iPad's 3mm sensor camera. 35mm sensors are sooo 2013.
 
On the way to...

This is just slowly moving to that final merge between tablet & laptop. You want a tablet big enough but not to big to have the computing power of a laptop. You're all thinking, obviously, but the technology has not caught up yet. The iPhone was 10yrs in the making.:apple:
 
Pretty much. Tablets aren't good for everything, but for the things they are good at, they're very good at.

For instance, I wouldn't want to do a spreadsheet on one, but for photo editing, drafting, modelling, or really any type of visual design, they're beyond excellent. The form factor is perfect for it. All the iPad needs is more ram and proper stylus support. Both of which an iPad Pro can (and better) provide.



I think that, at least starting out, it's not gonna be that much different of an experience. Unless Apple has some huge changes in store for iOS8, you're gonna be single apping everything, same as you do on the current iPads.

And no, it won't be quite as good at everything the iPad is due to size alone. Games in particular will suffer a bit. Angry Birds might be alright, but anything that uses virtual analog sticks will suck due to the fact that the size will make it too unwieldy to hold.

...but the larger screen and inclusion of a stylus will be what ultimately justifies it. It's a "pro" machine, designed to be a better fit for higher end tasks. The comparative weaknesses will be offset by its relative strengths. Like if you want to play games and surf the web, you've the Mini. The happy medium? The Air. Content creation? The Pro.

Though I will agree with you on one thing, for the iPad Pro to truly succeed in the long term, we'll have to see more functionality added to iOS. What it needs is the UI paradigms of iOS, and the flexibility and multitasking abilities of OSX. Being a supplementary device will only carry it so far for so long.

With the right hardware / software upgrades, everything you described can be done on an iPad Air just as well. Other than a bigger and higher-res screen, the iPad Pro doesn't offer huge advantages, if any.
 
I wonder what display issues these will inevitably have...the Apple screen lottery gets less and less fun as the price of the products goes up.
 
You guys are seriously happy with a half a sheet of paper?

I'm curious as to what you would use one of these for.

There are a lot of fields in which serious work involves reading full-page-sized layouts with ultra fine details like graphs and figures. For me, this is to read hundreds of conference papers and journal articles. But it's also relevant for any print in magazine format, heck even web pages. (Go ahead, claim scrolling around each screen is fun and efficient.) Other's have pointed out uses like musician's scores, larger displays, etc.

While even the iPad Mini now has sufficient resolution to resolve a full page detailed document, the human eye is not so able. In fact, it's really unusable. You have to understand that the iPad Mini 10", for all it's glory, is actually only the size of a half a sheet of paper. Compare that to an old fashioned newspaper that was 4 pages in size.

I'd NEVER want to use a 13" iPad for reading a fiction novel, but I'd also never want to use a 10" iPad for serious full page work. For now, I still literally have to carry print outs with me to read stuff when I'm "mobile."

To be totally honest, it's the 10" iPad that I feel has limited days at this point. It has a valid existence now because it's light, and a 13" iPad Pro will likely be too heavy at first. But once that goes, there's totally no reason for a 10" iPad -> it's just 20% bigger than a Mini, you can't hold it with one hand, and it's no more portable than the 13", which is the size of a full sheet of paper.

Remember - Steve Jobs experimented and found that 10" was the MINIMUM screen size you could comfortably do things on, not the MAXIMUM size. I've been begging Apple since the day the iPad was released to please release a bigger one - I called it the 14" iPad Pro, because I'd hoped it could be bezel free, and the size of a full page of paper. But weight is by far the important thing here - this is still something you hold. So that may hold it back a bit.

(As a related example, I have a 17" Macbook Pro because I do serious production work and can't count on an external monitor all the time. If I had a 13", I'd be reduced to email and web browsing for the most part.)
 
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This is just slowly moving to that final merge between tablet & laptop. You want a tablet big enough but not to big to have the computing power of a laptop. You're all thinking, obviously, but the technology has not caught up yet. The iPhone was 10yrs in the making.:apple:

So in other words, it's going to be a competitor to MS' Surface.
 
Just *TRY* it...

With the right hardware / software upgrades, everything you described can be done on an iPad Air just as well. Other than a bigger and higher-res screen, the iPad Pro doesn't offer huge advantages, if any.

Any serious productivity goes up at least quadratically with the area of the screen. Anyone who needs to see any detail at all on the screen. Your notion of doing detailed CAD design on a 10" screen is ridiculous - there's a REASON even back in the 1970s people would pay $5,000 to get a 21" CRT screen, or why people buy 30" monitors now. It's worth it.

You simply can't be productive on a screen that's too small. Period.

Even you must have some limit - can you do what you do now on an iWatch?

In general, books, paper, and desks have come to their current sizes over centuries of adaption to what works best for people.

It's also a health issue. Just because you CAN cover a screen in 2 point text and squint at it doesn't mean you should.
 
If Apple tells me I need a 12.9" iPad, I'll buy one.

Another revolutionary product in the making.
 
It really is amazing, a tablet the size of a sheet of paper with text and pics so high res they look printed. Agreed that it's what Jobs envisioned.

I'd like to see this iPad Pro combined with iOS improvements that facilitate moving documents to an iOS device more effortlessly. iCloud needs another leap in innovation for things to really take off IMO.

Yup, I'll pick one of these up when they come out for my collection. If it wasn't for an accessory project I'm working on, I'd pass on the iPad Air.

Todays Apple iOS devices stands on the graves of many failed and forgotten mobile devices going back twenty years. While many remember the Apple Newton, few remember companies like PenWare, Slate, Momenta, Go Corp and GRiD whom all had tablet offerings in the 90's.

Then there is a very rare PenMac of which only a few hundred eval units were ever built. Messed with one in a CEO's office of an Apple spin off in the mid-90's.

One thing that always gets me is when I hear some fluff that "Apple invented the smartphone" when the Palm / Handspring Treo had most of the market when the iPhone was launched.

Many estimate that Palm lost as much as 80% of their user base whom willingly paid a cancellation fee to get the first generation iPhone. Then Palm came out with the pondstone-shaped Palm Pre that was a day late and a dollar short. Now, Palm is a sub-division of Samsung.

The beat goes on.
 
"Make just a few things, but make them Insanely Great". - SJ


iPhone 5C (yeah, that was a success... :roll eyes: ), iPad Mini, iPad Pro, etc....

Cook needs to stop expanding the lineup. Seriously.


This thought popped up every time a new item announced even since Cook took over.

What you can do when you can't create? You recycle. :p
 
Big brother will soon be watching you....

.... Bigger brother....


My take is as always, they'll be short supply of these...

(There always is)

No longer, can we say "you can carry this round with you one handed like the 9.7- inch and smaller ipad mini"

This is the first tablet you must *carry with two handss*, or hang it on a wall to use it.
 
If that's what Apple is going for, maybe it'll be a Surface killer. Take everything that Microsoft did wrong (everything) and do it right.

This def needs some kind of built in kick stand or specialized case that props it up. I can't imagine holding a 12.9" tablet for any considerable amount of time.

Why the hell do people keep talking about a 'MS Surface' killer? It never lived!
 
Any serious productivity goes up at least quadratically with the area of the screen. Anyone who needs to see any detail at all on the screen. Your notion of doing detailed CAD design on a 10" screen is ridiculous - there's a REASON even back in the 1970s people would pay $5,000 to get a 21" CRT screen, or why people buy 30" monitors now. It's worth it.

You simply can't be productive on a screen that's too small. Period.

Even you must have some limit - can you do what you do now on an iWatch?

In general, books, paper, and desks have come to their current sizes over centuries of adaption to what works best for people.

It's also a health issue. Just because you CAN cover a screen in 2 point text and squint at it doesn't mean you should.

Sure, I have my limits, which is why I didn't purchase the iPad mini but I don't think an iPad 12.9" is necessary. There are many professionals, such as doctors, lawyers, construction managers, pilots, etc., using the iPad retina and very happy with it. Now with the iPad Air, it's thinner / lighter, making it easier and more comfortable to hold and move around. With a larger iPad Pro, that mobility advantage goes away.

Other than newspapers, magazines and books look great on the 9.7" iPad.
 
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