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I have a pair for running/the gym, and a casual pair. LOL at the Star Trek convention comment. I know what you mean, but the OG lifestyle New Balance are sick looking!

Well since you used the universal code "OG" for people in the know, I will have to trust your judgement and check them out. ;)
 
Do the following as a test;
hold the iPhone as you normally would, then touch the top corner and bottom corner without moving the phone in your grip.
I find that its a perfect reach with 3.5 and if it were any bigger, I would struggle.
the phone would get wider and taller, which is more uncomfortable in the pocket.
I would like to see an edge to edge screen (make the phone smaller)

That only sets the device size not the screen size.
 
It's probably best not to make a show of oneself when it comes to clothing, at least not if you're a man. And it's certainly interesting to see people who try hard to be cool by dishing out at men's boutiques.

Pretty metro at that point.

I see we are from different environments, so we can agree to disagree.

Thanks for your insight.
 
That doesn't compute, man. If i had Mustang for 40 years does it get boring? If it's great then it's great - there is no second option.

Depends if it's a '64½ or '65 Mustang.

(When the '64½ Mustang was introduced, its base price was $131 less than the base price for a 17" Macbook Pro....)
 
It's a bit late to be worrying about "OS purity".

As you pointed out, there already is app display fragmentation in iOS, which not every developer is willing to address.

iOS has only been out four years and there are three screen types to deal with, with another on its way if the iPad gets a hires screen.

There's also OS fragmentation, with some devices allowed to multitask; others not.

"Fragmented OSs" are characteristic of the march of progress. There's no way out of it. Better to dive in and deal with different resolutions early on.

Otherwise, we end up in the same position as those phone makers who wanted to keep 320x240 screens forever.


Disagree. 1) iPad and iPhone difference doesn't really count much because they're two different devices. The OS isn't fragmented in-device. I.E. if a dev wants to make an app for the iPhone/iPod touch device - its for that device. Not the iPad. & Vice-versa. 2) So that brings us to 1 fragmentation: retina and non-retina. Which isn't really a fragmentation in that a non-retina app will display just fine on a 4 & 4S, just as a retina app will display fine on a 1st gen - 3Gs. 3) You can make an app multitask, and still run it on a non-multitasking device.

So that brings us to this fact: you can currently make one version of an app for an Apple iOS device, and have it run on every version of that device (so long as the device has the processing power to do so). With a screen size increase, that will no longer be the case.

Thus, the first REAL fragmentation. As of now, there is no real fragmentation of iOS. So no, it's not too late to worry about iOS purity. It's a very good time to worry about iOS purity.

Compared to the current non-fragmented iOS and the simplicity of making an iPhone app that utilizes all the features of the newest phone (multitasking support. retina display) and having that one app work with every iPhone and iPod touch ever released, the process becomes, as I stated, fragmented with a screen size increase. A dev who makes an app utilizing all the features of the 4" phone will not have that app work on every iPhone/iPod touch device ever released. In fact, that app works on ONE device. The least bang-for-app making-buck ever in iOS per one app creation. Subsequently, all apps that now exist will have to be re-done to properly fit the 4" phone, and any new app who's dev wants to support more than just one iPhone will have to make two versions of the same app - again, for the first time in iOS history.
 
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I don't get why people are trashing the whole concept of using your phone with one hand. Has no one ever used their iPhone with something in their other hand? If I'm in a situation where it is convenient to use 2 hands, I'm more than likely using my iPad. Ergonomic ally, even, how is it more comfortable to operate a phone with two hands? In my opinion you'd look kinda weird operating a phone with both hands, rather than using it as a handheld electronic device. And who honestly watches movies on their iPhones on even a semi-regular basis? Sounds like you all need to be introduced to the iPad.

Umm, how can this be said judiciously. Mileage may vary? Your life experiences may not be typical?

1: You may not be in a position to whip out an ipad to watch a movie, like on a crowded NYC subway train or Metro North, but may have just enough room to use your iphone to view a movie. Maybe you don't want to draw the attention a large screen device might bring.

2: Ergonomically? What does ergonomics have to do with using a phone with two hands?

The key issue you are having with this concept of a larger screen is all highlighted in red for your convenience. Too many "I"s.
 
The last thing I want is a bulkier phone in my pocket.

A 1/2" increase in diagonal screen size would make the phone roughly a 1/4" taller and wider.

I guess if you wear biker shorts then making the phone 1/4" bigger would make it bulky.
 
Well since you used the universal code "OG" for people in the know, I will have to trust your judgement and check them out. ;)

Do it! They're also made in America(most of them) and have outlasted every pair of Nikes I have owned.
 
With a 4 inch screen and a slight change in display ratio, going from 3:2 to 8:5, you can keep the resolution above the "retina" cutoff which I believe Apple declared as 300 (actually has little to do with reality).

This means going to a pixel count of 1024 on the longer axis, adding a depth of 64 pixels, but keeping the short axis at 640. Apps don't have to use the extra area so no rewriting is necessary for games and such that have pixel-perfect design. The extra space on the end could be used as a status bar by IOS, like what they do when you turn on wifi hotspot. Apps that easily benefit from the the extra space, like Safari and readers, could use the whole screen. Movies would also benefit from the more natural proportions.

Changing aspect ratio will be just outright stupid. Fragmentation will begin to be a big problem.
 
The only way this increase becomes acceptable is if Apple finds a way to do it without fragmentation. Apple is different than other companies - in that it realizes that insane and unused processing power and "Me Want Bigger" mind sets are not important. What's important is the integrity and simplicity of operating system (& hardware) use, and the end-user experience. If "Me Want Bigger" or "Me Want Higher Numbers On Spec Paper" - than go use Android. That's what they generally care about.

The end-user experience will be compromised if a next gen new phone owner has iCloud retore all their old apps to their new phone, and they're all pixelated and stretchy. The end-user experience will be compromised if an iPhone 4S owner, who bought his device just a year ago, tries to download a new iPhone app and finds that this new iPhone app isn't supported on their device' even though it's for - you guessed it! - the iPhone.
 
The way I see it iphone 4S/iphone 5 will not be as "cheap" as Android and people will continue to buy Android especially if Android is "good enough".
Do you hear yourself man? Stop and listen. So basically if Android continues to do what they are doing Apple is screwed. What is Apple's game plan to win back Android customers? A 3.5 inch display in the iphone 5 will be a disaster. Those big fat cheap Android phones are winning and I have one of them.

I don't think Apple has ever been in the "commoditized" electronics market. They typically are in the value added market. The problem would come if people start thinking that the value added is not worth the difference in price. However, I doubt we are there yet, not even in any future iPhone 5, not even if it doesn't have a 4" screen. I personally don't care much for the 4" screen. If I want a "big fat" screen I pick my iPad ;) I do care more for camera performance, GPS performance, speed, screen quality, and in all those the iPhone excels. Anyway, I don't think Apple is screwed yet, definitely not because of the screen size, but they will have to innovate if they want to stay ahead of the game.
 
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It doesn't matter to me. I'm never buying another device - phone, tablet or laptop - without a user-replaceable battery. Any company that produces such products is abusing its customers.
 
Width-wise the iphone is a little small, making it hard to palm. It would be perfect if they increased the width a little, and stretch the screen a little lengthwise, without increasing the length of the phone itself. You'll have a 4 inch screen with better feel, and not much size change. Everybody should be happy.:)
 
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It doesn't matter to me. I'm never buying another device - phone, tablet or laptop - without a user-replaceable battery. Any company that produces such products is abusing its customers.

That is ridiculous. No one I know carries around a spare battery.
 
Sweet! I can't wait for the iPhone 501. Clad in denim it stands up to the washing machine with a button fly home button.

This thread has been a riot. :)
 
The only way this increase becomes acceptable is if Apple finds a way to do it without fragmentation. Apple is different than other companies - in that it realizes that insane and unused processing power and "Me Want Bigger" mind sets are not important. What's important is the integrity and simplicity of operating system (& hardware) use, and the end-user experience. If "Me Want Bigger" or "Me Want Higher Numbers On Spec Paper" - than go use Android. That's what they generally care about.

The end-user experience will be compromised if a next gen new phone owner has iCloud retore all their old apps to their new phone, and they're all pixelated and stretchy. The end-user experience will be compromised if an iPhone 4S owner, who bought his device just a year ago, tries to download a new iPhone app and finds that this new iPhone app isn't supported on their device' even though it's for - you guessed it! - the iPhone.

Wow. You know the mind of Apple. Amazing.:rolleyes:

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It doesn't matter to me. I'm never buying another device - phone, tablet or laptop - without a user-replaceable battery. Any company that produces such products is abusing its customers.

Then you must be lost.
 
These poll results are meaningless because it doesn't include the answer choices that I think most people would choose - "3.5 vs. 4 inch doesn't matter to me" or "4 inches but only if it doesn't make the device physically larger".
 
A larger iPhone would be such a huge and unusual mistake for Apple if it is the only model. It is already marginally too big. When I pick up the larger Android phones I am always glad the iPhone is not that large. IMO, easy one handed operation is absolutely essential for a phone. There are just too many times I have something else in my other hand. It's a phone, not a tablet. I use it on the move. When you need a bigger screen and can sit down and use two hands, get out your iPad. Why would they make a phone that is the size of small tablet? It's a whole different story for somebody like Samsung or HTC who can make 16 different models, but Apple has a one model sales plan. The threat of making the iPhone larger than it is, is the best reason to go ahead and buy the 4S now before they screw it up. I've bought each model of the iPhone as they came out, but if they make it bigger, I'll be using the 4S until it dies. Playing keep up with the Droids is sort of like the local millionaires trying to keep up with the people living in the trailer park.
 
I honestly can't see any argument against having a 4" that makes sense.

These poll results are meaningless because it doesn't include the answer choices that I think most people would choose - "3.5 vs. 4 inch doesn't matter to me" or "4 inches but only if it doesn't make the device physically larger".

Exactly, that was my point above (a couple of pages back). A 4", heck, even a 4.25" display, that doesn't compromise any of the attributes of the current design (size, weight, display quality, etc.) ... I can't imagine anyone not wanting that product[?]


Then you must be lost.

WTF, hahaha, that's pretty funny.

re: non-removable battery

I used to think it was an issue and it turned out for me to be one of those benefits that sounds good, but didn't give me any real world benefit. Our Apple products have outstanding battery life and the few times I've been in a situation where I need to charge (outside of my normal charging routine), there was plenty of options.
 
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