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Microsoft: "My Huffy is so much cheaper than your Honda!"
Apple: "Yeah, but our car doesn't take five hours to get you to work."

I have owned 2 HPs, a Dell and an Apple notebook before. The HPs were total crap from hardware to software, and the Dell was OK aside from running Windows (and it cost a lot more than the HP). I have had nearly zero problems with my MacBook Pro, and it's now 2 years old.

Ooooh, it costs $2,000. Yah, well it's worth it. With the better GPU on MacBooks, maybe I would've gone for one of those now since I mostly use my computer with an external monitor, but the only complaint I have is the lack of Blu-ray support.

If you want a cheap notebook that may or may not run, get a $300 netbook. Don't dare spend a dime on anything that says HP and doesn't print.
You hit the nail on head!!!!! I couldn't have said it better....
 
You miss his point completely, which is why, in your own words my friend "you fail". He's just exposing the inconsistency of these fanboys. The truth is this, when you buy a BMW you know what kind of track record you are getting but you are willing to put up with it because the benefits outweigh the costs. And BMW doesn't mislead you into thinking otherwise.

Hence BMWFan's point is that paying more for Macs that try to sell themselves as having a superior build quality is bogus. At least when you buy the BMW there is no deception. When I bought my Macbook pro, it was revealed months later that there was a defective video car in it. Did Apple issue a recall or suggest to have my video card replaced? No, all they did was extend the warranty slightly but they are pretty much trying to wait it out hopping that by the time people run into problems they will have run their warranty course. Forcing them to buy Apple Care. I mean, they even "underclock" the performance of the hardware in later updates after the product has shipped and sold. I pay for a certain degree of performance, and then it is taken away from me so that they can avoid replacing a defective product. That certainly doesn't scream quality care and consumer conscientiousness.

Does that mean other PCs are better? No it doesn't. Apple may still be better than all the rest, but that doesn't mean they are providing the quality that they ought to be providing for the price they are asking for. I don't think it's unreasonable for BMWFan to point this out. Now keep in mind, though I'm no fanboy, and though I am certainly critical of Apple, I'd still buy another Mac should this one break down because they are still the best option. However, I wish they would be up front about things and actually strive to improve their quality control rather than have it diminish as seems to be the trend. I also wish that when a problem is encountered they would fix it and not try to avoid it by crippling features likely to expose their irresponsibility in terms of manufacturing. Is that too much to ask for?

I guess this is why BMW was related last for reliability along with their German counterparts. :rolleyes:
 
Who cares what a computer looks like lol (plus PCs have gotten better).

Well apparently some of the manufactures that you are talking about thinks that people like the looks. How else do you explain the lights on the cases that have multiple color choices. What about high end gaming PC manufactures like HP's VooDoo line, having options for painted cases that cost hundreds if not more then a thousand dollars, just for the case option!
 
Excuses to sell underpowered crap hardware for premium prices.
Now lets look at this statement.

Is apples hardware the latest and fastest? no. Does it need to be? No, it EASILY covers the needs of damn near every average consumer.

What specifically on a macbook is crap hardware?
 
I guess this is why BMW was related last for reliability along with their German counterparts. :rolleyes:

Yes but they are honest about it. They don't cripple engine performances at regular services to avoid taking a hit in regards to their reliability ratings. They are not hypocrites who sell you an unreliable engine and then try to hide the fact. They tell you immediately, you are paying for top of the line performance, that performance comes hand in hand with engine innovations which are not reliable. It would be one thing to cripple the video cards before they were sold on the market, it's something totally different to do so after the consumer has shelled out the cash expecting a certain degree of performance and then being told he can't have it.
 
Yes but they are honest about it. They don't cripple engine performances at regular services to avoid taking a hit in regards to their reliability ratings. They are not hypocrites who sell you an unreliable engine and then try to hide the fact. They tell you immediately, you are paying for top of the line performance, that performance comes hand in hand with engine innovations which are not reliable. It would be one thing to cripple the video cards before they were sold on the market, it's something totally different to do so after the consumer has shelled out the cash expecting a certain degree of performance and then being told he can't have it.

Nice spin there buddy.
 
Congratulations



WOW! So you sourced apple defects dot com? Nice! Who would guess it would be PACKED FULL of people having problems with their Apple products?

I personally have been using Apple products for a decade now and have never had anything close to a major issue with a Mac. My Wife, Father, Uncle, Aunt, Brother and Sister all have Macs, all have iPods (even back to gen2 classic) and some have iPhones without one defect as yet. Save my Uncle's Ti book with the breaking hinge problem, but hey, it still works! He actually had two, but one was stolen, so there's no telling on that one, but my wife has a Tibook and that thing has been a trooper even after several big drops, it's still in one piece.

You know, My Grandfather can't wear battery powered watches. They lose time. Once, when I was a kid, we had an 84 Volvo wagon, which were, at the time, decently reliable vehicles. We couldn't keep that thing running. So we gave it to some friends of ours and they never had another problem with it.

Maybe some people just aren't Mac compatible, but you're going to have to find at least a somewhat impartial source for Mac failure rates before you convince me Macs are that bad.
 
Well apparently some of the manufactures that you are talking about thinks that people like the looks. How else do you explain the lights on the cases that have multiple color choices. What about high end gaming PC manufactures like HP's VooDoo line, having options for painted cases that cost hundreds if not more then a thousand dollars, just for the case option!

Yeah don't you know? Mac users aren't allowed to have nice looking computers just PC gamers. Duh.
 
because people claim that macs are more "reliable" than pcs and thats why there is a premium on apple computers when clearly that's false.

Maybe they were talking about the software?

Ah well, why do I even bother ...
 
Now lets look at this statement.

Is apples hardware the latest and fastest? no. Does it need to be? No, it EASILY covers the needs of damn near every average consumer.

What specifically on a macbook is crap hardware?

I would suggest that the Macbook is powerful enough for most consumers. However, I wouldn't mind an BTO option for a 9600M. That's the real problem. Not enough options.
 
For the price, yes.




Well, it's crap hardware for the price, that's for sure. The White MacBook is a joke.

Specifics. I want some damn specifics to back up the crap you spill!

And the price thing, thats your damn opinion, I know you have a hard time telling the difference between that and fact.
 
The unibody is anything but solid.

Magsafes also break very easily, so just get prepared ok? (read the Apple Store's website for more information to see reviews of the magsafe)

I am not saying that, I am saying that Apple should make it more affordable, so more people can have the Mac experience. But Apple is delusional.
So, you're saying that all these defects would be okay as long as Apple lowered their prices? You complain about their poor quality. Then you say you want more people to buy Macs. How does that make any sense?
 
Wow -- another one of these types of threads. Not surprised. Here's my pat answer...

As a person who uses his computers for business, I want and need the best. Sure the hardware outlay MAY be more, but how valuable is my time? If I have less trouble of the next 4 years (which is what I expect my computer to give me at least in service), then whatever I spend over and above the cheaper competition is worth it. I buy the best to last the long haul, not save a $100 in the short term.

Off the path (but not really): I know people who have made literally a million dollars with pirated software that costs $450. How cheap do you have to be? If you're in college, yeah, I can see trying to cut costs every way you can, but most of us here are making money with our macs/pcs... I don't know how anyone can quibble over someone else's decision to try and buy quality.
 
For the price, yes.


Not even close.

- Doesn't cover graphics professionals (weak graphics cards)
- Doesn't cover the sub-$1000 15/16/17 inch laptop market
- Doesn't cover the sub $800 market


Well, it's crap hardware for the price, that's for sure. The White MacBook is a joke.

On your first point, since when does graphics professional = average consumer?? And anyway I'm pretty sure Macs are very popular with graphics professionals.

On the second two, Apple doesn't cater to the cheap design market like most PC companies do.
 
Specifics. I want some damn specifics to back up the crap you spill!

And the price thing, thats your damn opinion, I know you have a hard time telling the difference between that and fact.

It's the opinions of millions of people, which is the number 1 complaint about Macs.

Plus, it's a fact Macs are expensive, because they are significantly more than their PC counterparts.

As I said, my price configurations are far more reasonable than Apple's.
 
It's the opinions of millions of people, which is the number 1 complaint about Macs.

Plus, it's a fact Macs are expensive, because they are significantly more than their PC counterparts.

As I said, my price configurations are far more reasonable than Apple's.

Im asking for your "the hardware is crap" statement. No its not the bleeding edge, but does it not function well?
 
Wow -- another one of these types of threads. Not surprised. Here's my pat answer...

As a person who uses his computers for business, I want and need the best. Sure the hardware outlay MAY be more, but how valuable is my time? If I have less trouble of the next 4 years (which is what I expect my computer to give me at least in service), then whatever I spend over and above the cheaper competition is worth it. I buy the best to last the long haul, not save a $100 in the short term.

I believe in getting exactly what you want, even if it's a little more. The satisfaction is worth it.

or getting what you want for considerable less.
 
Bmw

How can I put someone on the ignore list?

Whatever the topic may be, this guy is only posting flamebaits and nothing else. Anecdotal reports vs surveys? Gimme a break.

The shocking truth is, I don't even like beemers. The dick-per-drivers ratio is extremely high.


I agree wholeheartedly. That last sentence is also true, and I used to dislike Beemers too for that very fact. Then my Mom got one. Every time I'm around that thing I find out some insane little innovative thing about it that just blows my mind. They put a lot of thought and engineering into those things.... Huh, sounds familiar. I guess don't hate the product, just hate the *******.
 
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