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Apple Sweeps Consumer Reports' Laptop Recommendations

BMWFan said:
You do realise that majority of hardware innovation is pushed by the increasing gaming requirements for PCs?
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Have you ever heard of something called the Unibody?

How about a Multigesture touchpad?

Time Machine? Quicklook? No?

THIS is innovation, THIS makes a better product, THIS is where R&D money goes. And THIS is why Macs have a premium.
 
NT1440 said:
You know, im getting tired of your proclaiming crap. The unibody is rock solid, its not about how it looks (which just happens to be amazing).

After dealing with multiple laptops power jacks breaking, magsafes are amazing to me.

What you think your better than me because you can afford to go out and buy a mac outright? I dont have the funds to even go out and PC right now if I wanted. I'm saving for what I want.
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The unibody is anything but solid.

Magsafes also break very easily, so just get prepared ok? (read the Apple Store's website for more information to see reviews of the magsafe)

I am not saying that, I am saying that Apple should make it more affordable, so more people can have the Mac experience. But Apple is delusional.
 
iMacmatician said:
FAIL.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._market_share_rises_to_8_1_percent_in_q3.html
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Damn, I just went to Google trying to find that same page.. Thx.

It is painfully, irritatingly obvious that the member in question is, 1., Either an overworked Microsoft PR Rep, 2., Cannot afford a Mac laptop and therefore takes out his frustration on those who can or whose work depends upon having a dependable notebook, or 3., Has OCD and dreams of a full-figured woman named Vista who feeds him grapes.

...or he's Bill Gates with too much time on his hands after leaving MS.

And about that all-too-common argument that PC users think stops Mac users cold: "PCs are better for gaming!" Yeah. Okay. Your point. Go sit in front of your PC playing WoW. I'll go to the park with my girlfriend...
 
IWantItThatWay said:
And this is why Apple will never get more than 3% of the market share.
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First off, if I looked hard enough, there's a quote where Jobs said they're not looking for market share.


Secondly, it seems that more people seem to fine that the price can't be too bad, since Apple's notebook sales are up, as well as the market share (between 11 -20% depending on source).
 
IWantItThatWay said:
Actually, it's the opposite. PCs are like buying a Ferrari for the price of an 87 Toyota Camry, buying a Mac is like paying Ferrari prices for a crappy Ford.

How can Apple be like Ferrari when they have underpowered hardware?
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And the PC looks like an 87 Toyota Camry too lol. The difference in the internals of the PC and Macs aren't nearly even remotely as close as the difference in the engines of the two cars even if you wish them to be. Speaking on the internals, it's more like the difference between a Ferrari and a high end Mercedes. The Ferrari is all about performance, but the Mercedes is still fast, but also has more luxury comfort features.
 
skottichan said:
First off, if I looked hard enough, there's a quote where Jobs said they're not looking for market share.


Secondly, it seems that more people seem to fine that the price can't be too bad, since Apple's notebook sales are up, as well as the market share (between 11 -20% depending on source).
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1. of course he wants market share (he won't admit it), but with computers market share matters a lot.

2. And they could increase 10 fold if the prices were lowered. I know a grip of people (in the dozens) that would buy a Mac right away if they were priced competitively with PC notebooks.
 
IWantItThatWay said:
The unibody is anything but solid.

Magsafes also break very easily, so just get prepared ok? (read the Apple Store's website for more information to see reviews of the magsafe)
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The unibody is incredibly solid, its not going to have little parts break off like on this toshiba. Im not looking for it to survive a 6 foot fall, just not to break from normal wear and tear.

What do you consider "VERY easily" in regards to magsafes?
 
Apple just said in their last conference, they're more concerned about making the best product instead of getting marketshare.
 
vipergts2207 said:
And the PC looks like an 87 Toyota Camry too lol. The difference in the internals of the PC and Macs aren't nearly even remotely as close as the difference in the engines of the two cars even if you wish them to be.
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Who cares what a computer looks like lol (plus PCs have gotten better).

And a PC for the same price as a Mac blows the Mac away.
 
IWantItThatWay said:
And who cares about multitouch? Has to be the most useless gimmick ever.
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Uh, no. Just no.

vipergts2207 said:
That's one of the nice things about capitalism. Don't want it? Don't buy it. Apple could sell the 13" Macbook for $2000 if they wanted and you couldn't do anything about it. Apparently enough people think Mac laptops are worth the price of entry because Mac still has the same pricing structure as always. All I'm hearing is "waaa I want the computer to be cheaper so I'll buy it." That probably won't happen, Apple doesn't care and they'll still be in business whether you buy it or not.
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Don't confuse the Fudster with facts.

http://homepage.mac.com/bhoglund/forumFudsters.html

IWantItThatWay said:
It's not increasing enough. There is like 2 billion Windows users.
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There are more lemmings than lions. Whats your point?
 
Goona said:
Apple just said in their last conference, they're more concerned about making the best product instead of getting marketshare.
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I believe everything I am told. There is no way they aren't just making excuses (and if they were so concerned about making the best product, why don't they have up-to-date specs? I mean seriously, a $100 graphics card in a $2500 computer? Where's the Core i7?)
 
IWantItThatWay said:
I believe everything I am told. There is no way they aren't just making excuses (and if they were so concerned about making the best product, why don't they have up-to-date specs? I mean seriously, a $100 graphics card in a $2500 computer? Where's the Core i7?)
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Excuses for what exactly?
 
IWantItThatWay said:
1. of course he wants market share (he won't admit it), but with computers market share matters a lot.

2. And they could increase 10 fold if the prices were lowered. I know a grip of people (in the dozens) that would buy a Mac right away if they were priced competitively with PC notebooks.
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No dear, they want profit, all businesses live and die by the bottom line. Just because HP or Dell sells more, doesn't mean their shareholders are happy with the profits.

And good for them, I know we live in "I have to have it NOW" consumerist society, but guess what, do what our grandparents did when they wanted something expensive and credit cards didn't exists as they do now. Save.

I bought my first iMac while I was still in school. I worked overtime, did commission work, and saved up, and bought it in cash. It didn't devalue my purchase, it didn't invalidate the computer that it cost more than its competitor, especially since I've never had to tinker with it, or mess with the OS to stay productive.
 
PC's = FAIL!!!!!

I worked for HP for 20 years in the tech field and Call Center and we had contracts with multiple other PC company's. The failure rate of the PC compared to Apple is far greater due to NOT only the number of PC's out there but the crappy hardware put in them. I would much rather have an Apple warranty then an HP/Compaq, Dell, Sony, and on and on. Most of my coworkers wouldn't even buy an HP IF the discount was 50% !!!!

Yes Apple has a failure rate as well THEY ALL DO! But I'm glad I can walk into an Apple store and get my problem resolved. Maybe it's just been my experience with PC's and the experiences of my customers but Apple outshines in every department and for the last 5 years I am HAPPY AS HELL I SWITCHED TO APPLE.
 
GottaLoveApple4 said:
LOL like BMWs right??? Hahaha good luck on the reliability of those...

You FAIL.

Apple does just work, so these people must just be completely terrible users that drop it and slam it all the time. Consumer Reports doesn't lie and neither does my experience.
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You miss his point completely, which is why, in your own words my friend "you fail". He's just exposing the inconsistency of these fanboys. The truth is this, when you buy a BMW you know what kind of track record you are getting but you are willing to put up with it because the benefits outweigh the costs. And BMW doesn't mislead you into thinking otherwise.

Hence BMWFan's point is that paying more for Macs that try to sell themselves as having a superior build quality is bogus. At least when you buy the BMW there is no deception. When I bought my Macbook pro, it was revealed months later that there was a defective video car in it. Did Apple issue a recall or suggest to have my video card replaced? No, all they did was extend the warranty slightly but they are pretty much trying to wait it out hopping that by the time people run into problems they will have run their warranty course. Forcing them to buy Apple Care. I mean, they even "underclock" the performance of the hardware in later updates after the product has shipped and sold. I pay for a certain degree of performance, and then it is taken away from me so that they can avoid replacing a defective product. That certainly doesn't scream quality care and consumer conscientiousness.

Does that mean other PCs are better? No it doesn't. Apple may still be better than all the rest, but that doesn't mean they are providing the quality that they ought to be providing for the price they are asking for. I don't think it's unreasonable for BMWFan to point this out. Now keep in mind, though I'm no fanboy, and though I am certainly critical of Apple, I'd still buy another Mac should this one break down because they are still the best option. However, I wish they would be up front about things and actually strive to improve their quality control rather than have it diminish as seems to be the trend. I also wish that when a problem is encountered they would fix it and not try to avoid it by crippling features likely to expose their irresponsibility in terms of manufacturing. Is that too much to ask for?
 
Microsoft: "My Huffy is so much cheaper than your Honda!"
Apple: "Yeah, but our car doesn't take five hours to get you to work."

I have owned 2 HPs, a Dell and an Apple notebook before. The HPs were total crap from hardware to software, and the Dell was OK aside from running Windows (and it cost a lot more than the HP). I have had nearly zero problems with my MacBook Pro, and it's now 2 years old.

Ooooh, it costs $2,000. Yah, well it's worth it. With the better GPU on MacBooks, maybe I would've gone for one of those now since I mostly use my computer with an external monitor, but the only complaint I have is the lack of Blu-ray support.

If you want a cheap notebook that may or may not run, get a $300 netbook. Don't dare spend a dime on anything that says HP and doesn't print.
 
NT1440 said:
Excuses for what exactly?
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Excuses to sell underpowered crap hardware for premium prices.

MacBook 13 inch, 2GHz 2GB RAM 160GB HD 9400M = $799
MacBook 16 inch, 2GHz 2GB RAM (DDR3), 250GB HD 9400M = $999
MacBook Pro 15 inch, 2.4GHz 2GB RAM (DDR3), 320GB HD 9600M GT 256 = $1,499
MacBook Pro 17 inch, 2.66GHz 4GB RAM (DDR3), 320GB HD 9600M GT 512 = $1,899

Reasonable prices.
 
IWantItThatWay said:
Who cares what a computer looks like lol (plus PCs have gotten better).

And a PC for the same price as a Mac blows the Mac away.
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Really? Blows it away? Care to show me some actual performance differences from real world software? Or are you just saying that because one says 2.66GHz and the other says 2.8GHz? Would there be a difference? Yeah. Blown away difference? No. And don't forget, then you have to factor other differences besides the raw data sheet.
 
AidenShaw said:
What typical "Apple arrogance" to assume that Apple is better...without any evidence or experience to back that up.... 😛
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Im sorry, is that multi touch in the dell incorporated into the software that i will be using?

No, no its not.
 
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