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Really? This argument again?

I built an i7-based system for my gaming need, and here were the parts:

Intel i7 920
6 GB Corsair DDR3 1600
ASUS Rampage II Gene motherboard
Lite On DVD+/- RW drive (SATA)
One 640GB HD (SATA)
Radeon 5850
Corsair HX750 PSU
Corsair H50 CPU water cooler
Linksys WMP300N wireless adapter
mATX case
Logitech Illuminated Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X8
Windows 7 Professional

Total system cost? $1545 (I actually got Windows 7 Pro for $40 through the educational discount, but the price I used for the estimation was the $130 OEM cost I've seen around)

The entry-level Mac Pro uses the server-based version of the i7 920, but it's comparable. Here's how I spec'd the Mac Pro using Apple's store:

Xeon 2.66 Ghz
6 GB Ram
640 GB drive (default)
ATI Radeon 4870 (last-gen, 5850 is easily better, but highest-available option)
18x SuperDrive (default)
AirPort Xtreme Wi-Fi card
Standard Apple mouse, keyboard

Cost? $2899

So comparable systems roughly (I'd argue the system I built is better, due to a likely better motherboard with SLI/Crossfire support, and the Radeon 5850), but a ~ $1300 price difference. So you're essentially paying $1300 for the Apple name, case, and labor.

I also checked Dell, and after suffering through their horrendous selection process, I was able to similarly spec a system (except using a 5870 instead of a 5850) for $1799. A couple of hundred more than mine, but still $1100 beneath Apple's price.

Don't get me wrong, I love OS X, and think one of it's best advantages is the close-knit nature Apple maintains between the hardware they develop and OS X. But don't try and say that Apple's prices are the same as others.

That was basically the only post worth reading in this apple zealot thread.

Thank you.
 
People saying that they regularly reinstall Windows make me wonder what on earth they do with their computers.

My highly researched and legitimate statistics for these people are 90% lying, 10% 'I love apple' fanatics.

Read half of these 'windows is an unstable os' posts and it wouldn't surprise me if people are installing 'registry cleaner X', 'system tweaker Y', 'security suite Z' off a google ad link, in an effort to either break the system or out of sheer ignorance thinking 'but that's what you're meant to do for windows?'
 
Because it is so true.

How so? Windows has gotten better with time while Mac OS seems to have peaked and is going backwards.

When was the last time Windows had a bug that deleted all of your user data? That is most definitely not a "minor issue" either, thats huge.

Not to mention all of the other bugs OS X has, like sound bugs, external display bugs, etc.
 
How so? Windows has gotten better with time while Mac OS seems to have peaked and is going backwards.

When was the last time Windows had a bug that deleted all of your user data? That is most definitely not a "minor issue" either, thats huge.

Not to mention all of the other bugs OS X has, like sound bugs, external display bugs, etc.

When was the last time ?

2 weeks ago when their Windows Mobile lost data on about 2 million phones.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/1...-servers-crashed-and-they-dont-have-a-backup/
 
How so? Windows has gotten better with time while Mac OS seems to have peaked and is going backwards.

When was the last time Windows had a bug that deleted all of your user data? That is most definitely not a "minor issue" either, thats huge.

Not to mention all of the other bugs OS X has, like sound bugs, external display bugs, etc.
When was the last time I used a Guest account? Hmmm, never. How many cases of this actually took place? Too few to document - fixed with upcoming 10.6.2

Shall we not mention the Microsoft T-Mobile Sidekick debacle?
 
Ok, I'm not a huge fan of the series, but these commercials I liked. I actually laughed, and I can't remember the last time I laughed at a commercial.

I'd love to see them tout the strengths of their products, Snow Kitty, iMacs, MBP's, even just a quick overview of the line from entry-level to heavy pro-user kit, & describe the emphasis is on quality & comprehensive value, not just a low initial price tag.

...but the reality is, most people don't want to hear all that. It goes in one ear & out the other. Go to an apple store, and listen to what the people walking in the door are asking as they make their decision to buy a system. Listen to what the sales kids tell them. These are all kinds of people, and a few will run down the specs, but most aren't sitting there asking for a detailed list of technical pro's & con's. They heard Apple is a popular alternative to windows, they're willing to give it a try, or they're not, no spiel needed.

All apple ads need to do is remind people that Apple is an alternative to Microsoft, and they're effective.
 
Microsoft needs to take off the kid gloves and punch back at what you REALLY pay for when you buy a Mac:

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It's all about elitism. You PAY for the Apple brand name, like you do for a Sony product like a TV. Call it what it is-- the Apple Tax.

"Apple fanboys undertood - sometimes you need to spell it out"

And, apparently, spell it wrong.

How can Apple come out with ads like this when SL has been a nightmare for a massive number of users? Also, how can they have an ad going back as far as Windows 98, 95, 3.1 etc. when Mac OS was bloody awful until OS X.

These ads are tired and smack of fear and desperation.
 
How so? Windows has gotten better with time while Mac OS seems to have peaked and is going backwards.

It has? Vista was really an inprovement over XP, huh. And 7? I sure hope they cleaned it up since the last beta.

Snow leopard is not flawless, but I doubt we'll see a huge percentage of companies & end users recoiling violently & publicly, swearing off 10.6 permanently, downgrading back to 10.5, and remaining until sometime well into 10.7. I could see if you're one of the handful of screwballs that put all your non-backed up data in a guest acct and ran an operating system upgrade...

If you think OSX has peaked and can't get any better, only worse from here, you either haven't been paying attention, or just seriously lack vision.
 
"Apple fanboys undertood - sometimes you need to spell it out"

And, apparently, spell it wrong.

How can Apple come out with ads like this when SL has been a nightmare for a massive number of users? Also, how can they have an ad going back as far as Windows 98, 95, 3.1 etc. when Mac OS was bloody awful until OS X.

These ads are old and smack of fear and desperation.

How can Mac OS be bloody awful until OSX and be a nightmare at the same time ?
 
Now, was that a windows error or a hardware failure coupled with failure to have backups?

I was hoping you might have actually read the linked article but since you were too lazy to do so I'll post part of it for you.

"This goes beyond FAIL, face-palm, or any of the other internet memes we’ve come to associate with incompetence. The fact that T-Mobile and/or Microsoft Danger don’t have a redundant backup is simply inexcusable, especially given the fact that the Sidekick is totally reliant on the cloud because it doesn’t store its data locally. Microsoft acquired Danger for $500 million in February 2008.

Update:: There is some speculation that this was not actually caused by a server meltdown, but by Danger’s failure to make a backup before a Storage Area Network upgrade that was botched.


A botch is a botch is a botch no matter what color you put on it. Microsoft screwed up BIG TIME. And it affected at least 10 thousand more people than the guest user flub.
 
I was hoping you might have actually read the linked article but since you were too lazy to do so I'll post part of it for you.

"This goes beyond FAIL, face-palm, or any of the other internet memes we’ve come to associate with incompetence. The fact that T-Mobile and/or Microsoft Danger don’t have a redundant backup is simply inexcusable, especially given the fact that the Sidekick is totally reliant on the cloud because it doesn’t store its data locally. Microsoft acquired Danger for $500 million in February 2008.

Update:: There is some speculation that this was not actually caused by a server meltdown, but by Danger’s failure to make a backup before a Storage Area Network upgrade that was botched.


A botch is a botch is a botch no matter what color you put on it. Microsoft screwed up BIG TIME.

I'm not saying they didn't mess up. They certainly did, but it wasn't a Windows bug.
 
I'm not saying they didn't mess up. They certainly did, but it wasn't a Windows bug.

Whats the difference between a small bug by Apple that affected just a few people and a complete disaster by Microsoft that affected thousands ? They both lost data. Only Microsoft caused 1000 fold damage.
 
How can Apple come out with ads like this when SL has been a nightmare for a massive number of users? Also, how can they have an ad going back as far as Windows 98, 95, 3.1 etc. when Mac OS was bloody awful until OS X.
Windows 3.1 95, 98, ME, XP and Vista don't count then? OS 7-9 was dramatically more stable than W95-98, and OS X has made XP and Vista nightmares by comparison.
 
Whats the difference between a small bug by Apple that affected just a few people and a complete disaster by Microsoft that affected thousands ? They both lost data. Only Microsoft caused 1000 fold damage.

One was in the OS, which was being discussed, the other was incompetence.

If we want to talk the companies themselves messing up and ignore flaws in their respective OSes than sure, Microsoft really did drop the ball on this one.
 
One was in the OS, which was being discussed, the other was incompetence.

If we want to talk the companies themselves messing up and ignore flaws in their respective OSes than sure, Microsoft really did drop the ball on this one.

I was merely pointing out that software companies occasionally make mistakes. No matter who they are.

Fortunately they have been resolved so we can now put that behind us making it not right to point out a mistake by Apple when a bigger mistake was made by Microsoft.
 
Based on? I just saw a post where you asked how to find the patent info....

Prior art? Which Nokia patents do you think aren't valid? Or is it a fundamental conviction that The Lord God Jobs can do no wrong?

Which is why you fail.

If you looked, youll notice that I overlooked some information.

And lord jobs has done many things wrong... like Finder.
 
And that's all you need to say to prove your "comparison" to be pointless, idiotic, and irrelevant.

YOU *BUILT* IT. OF COURSE IT'S CHEAPER!!!

Try spec-ing out a MacPro-equivalent from Dell or HP, for a more valid comparison.

It's like saying "Hey, dude, I built a twin-turbo V8 car that's as fast as a Ferrari, and it only cost me $50K vs. the Ferrari's $200K!!" Yeah, but you've got a home-built P.O.S. vs. a sleek, well-designed PROFESSIONALLY-BUILT machine.

Never mind the TIME you spent building your own machine (there's a COST there), and never mind the fact that the average use neither has the time, inclination, nor ability to build their own machine.

You're on the fringe. That's fine. Stay there. Be happy there.

But stop trying to proclaim that something professionally-designed and built is overpriced just because you can cobble something together yourself for less from parts. It's a useless comparison.

Did you even read his post? He did to a comparison to Dell. It was $1100 cheaper.
 
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