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The Windows crowd are out in force today, it seems. all because of a couple of ads...

Hmmmm, dosen't this prove the effectiveness of the ads? If these ads get people so emotionally tongue twisted and full of verbal diarrhea, than Apple must be doing something right.
 
It's been happening for a while now. Apple's recent success has certainly shaken the winbot trolls up a bit. :)

That's one way of viewing it. The other is that Apple's increase in sales has attracted customers who aren't quite as loyal and forgiving as its existing base.

I think the latter is more likely.

Another loss in revenues and profits for Microsoft, but I guess Windows 7 will change everything for them:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/2...nes-for-revenues-and-profits-no-more-excuses/

"Revenues in the September quarter were down 14 percent to $12.92 billion, and net profits declined even further to $3.57 billion, or $0.40 a share. The consensus estimate was $0.32, so Wall Street is happy and the shares are rallying (up 10 percent in early-morning trading)."


A decline was expected as advised in Q3. It looks like Microsoft beat analysts expectations though. Windows 7 will, of course, push revenues up next quarter. That's a given.
 
That's one way of viewing it. The other is that Apple's increase in sales has attracted customers who aren't quite as loyal and forgiving as its existing base.

I think the latter is more likely.

The trolls I'm referring to are NOT Apple customers, and you know it.
 
That's one way of viewing it. The other is that Apple's increase in sales has attracted customers who aren't quite as loyal and forgiving as its existing base.

I think the latter is more likely.

Yes which is why Apple's customer satisfaction rates have been dropping through the roof.
 
I don't think that the Apple ads were aimed at the enterprise and products like Active Directory, SQL Server and Exchange have existed for ten years or more and haven't fundamentally changed in that time- hardly exciting.

This converstation you are replying to has no relevance to the Apple ads. Read every reponse before you reply.
 
Yes something to get excited over. :rolleyes:

I don't get excited over anything computers. Anyways, I was simply stating that Microsoft has their hands in many things. These things are exciting to some people but obviously not everyone.
 
The trolls I'm referring to are NOT Apple customers, and you know it.

Exactly if it was due to Apple's customers it would show in Apple's satisfaction ratings which leads the industry. Apple's success has attracted a lot of jealous Windows Microsoft lovers. You should read some of the comments on Windows Supersite.
 
Yes which is why Apple's customer satisfaction rates have been dropping through the roof.

Don't get me wrong - Apple products are still generally great. I just think people are less inclined to put up with the associated slagging off of other companies' products.

Exactly if it was due to Apple's customers it would show in Apple's satisfaction ratings which leads the industry. Apple's success has attracted a lot of jealous Windows Microsoft lovers. You should read some of the comments on Windows Supersite.

I do. The ones by robertsjoe and lottsamystuff are particularly embarrassing.
 
Err, isn't "hideous" completely subjective, too? Kind of shot down your own point, there.

Yes it is, but he didn't shoot down his own point, he was making an example:rolleyes:

A lot of you seem extremely quick on the trigger... Why are you so touchy about this? Makes good entertainment though.:cool:
 
Shouldn't Apple spend money trying to fix the GIANT BUG THAT DELETES ALL OF A USER'S DATA instead of making commercials?

It would be GREAT if MS made a commercial like that...

Well, they *are* spending money fixing the giant (but extremely rarely triggered) bug that changes the 'owner' of all of a user's files. The files aren't actually deleted, they're just changed to belong to a different account. That makes it *look* like they're deleted, but every last stinking file is easily recovered.

Big nasty bug? Yes. Easily triggered? No. Deletes files? No.
 
Hmmmm, dosen't this prove the effectiveness of the ads? If these ads get people so emotionally tongue twisted and full of verbal diarrhea, than Apple must be doing something right.

This is absolute nonsense.

Say I owned a chain of tea houses, and I came out with an ad that said something like "coffee drinkers are a bunch of losers. Real people drink tea". Do you honestly think that ad would sway coffee drinkers?! It would create controversy and nothing more.

And before you say that we know these ads are effective because sales are up, I say we have no way of knowing if it's due to the ads. The only way we would know that would be if the product line was frozen, and we compared sales before and after the ads came out. Yet since these came out in 2006! Apple has switched to Intel, came out with the iphone (a gateway device), started selling videos in the itunes store (another gateway), revamped their consumer product lines, etc etc.
 
I don't think that the Apple ads were aimed at the enterprise and products like Active Directory, SQL Server and Exchange have existed for ten years or more and haven't fundamentally changed in that time- hardly exciting.

Those products you listed work fantastically. Why change what isn't broken? Also it's not the job of AD, SQL, and Exchange to be exciting it's their job to work well. As a network admin there's nothing that can come close to Exchange, and we looked for fun before upgrading from 2003 to 2007. AD makes administering the network a breeze. All I do when we purchase a new PC is add the PC to the domain and reboot twice, all the software it automatically deployed and all the patches/updates are automatically applied.

For Windows 7, I use it at home along with OSX and both are great products and both have their issues.
 
Has everyone had their blood pressure checked:)? I'm not sure which is more humerous, the I'm a MAC commercials or the antagonistic bantering on this thread. Let's see, where is my Xanax:rolleyes:. Being a 3 year year old in the MAC world, I've never had a crash in Tiger, Leopard or Snow Leopard or had to re-install the operating system and software. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Oh, never lost any data either. My Mac is on from 4 to 12+ hours a day seven days a week. Speaking of lost data, everybodies heard of Time Machine, right? I perform a backup whenever I've changed or added data, software, etc, just in case. Recovery is a snap. I once deleted a file and when I realized that I needed it again several weeks later I recovered it through Time Machine. Thank you Apple for such a wonderful utility. Many times I've not only crashed using Win NT, 2000 and XP Pro but had to re-install the operating system, software and data files. I think the I'm a Mac commercials are very entertaining but then, I also like Flo on the Progressive insurance commercials. Flo touts the virtues of Progressive but if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Ya'll need to lighten up and help people instead of constantly critisizing them. Sometimes opinions can be more hurtful than helpful. Remember the the old saying, "opinions are like a..h...., everybody has one":D
 
My main point was that MS aren't doing anything particularly exciting in the Enterprise either.

Tell that to application and web developers. Microsoft, along with IBM, are the biggest contributors to the development of web services. Microsoft created the SOAP-based .NET runtime environment that hosts these services. It blows away the Java runtime in performance. Sun themselves even joined the two in help further development. Java is a great idea, but fails in performance. Web services is the future of delivering applications.

I know this means nothing to the average home user, but from a corporate and Microsoft's perspective, this is something to get excited over.

"MS aren't doing anything particularly exciting in the Enterprise either" is simply your opinion that which many would disagree on.

As for the developers "excitement", I know this first-hand. The company where I work has used Java development for many years and are now converting over to .NET.
 
Those products you listed work fantastically. Why change what isn't broken? Also it's not the job of AD, SQL, and Exchange to be exciting it's their job to work well. As a network admin there's nothing that can come close to Exchange, and we looked for fun before upgrading from 2003 to 2007. AD makes administering the network a breeze. All I do when we purchase a new PC is add the PC to the domain and reboot twice, all the software it automatically deployed and all the patches/updates are automatically applied.

For Windows 7, I use it at home along with OSX and both are great products and both have their issues.

I'm planning an upgrade from Exchange 2003 to 2007 at the moment and it going to be very easy which is great. My point was that MS haven't really offered much new in the enterprise since AD 10 years ago.
 
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