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Really? This argument again?

I built an i7-based system for my gaming need, and here were the parts:

Intel i7 920
6 GB Corsair DDR3 1600
ASUS Rampage II Gene motherboard
Lite On DVD+/- RW drive (SATA)
One 640GB HD (SATA)
Radeon 5850
Corsair HX750 PSU
Corsair H50 CPU water cooler
Linksys WMP300N wireless adapter
mATX case
Logitech Illuminated Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X8
Windows 7 Professional

Total system cost? $1545 (I actually got Windows 7 Pro for $40 through the educational discount, but the price I used for the estimation was the $130 OEM cost I've seen around)

The entry-level Mac Pro uses the server-based version of the i7 920, but it's comparable. Here's how I spec'd the Mac Pro using Apple's store:

Xeon 2.66 Ghz
6 GB Ram
640 GB drive (default)
ATI Radeon 4870 (last-gen, 5850 is easily better, but highest-available option)
18x SuperDrive (default)
AirPort Xtreme Wi-Fi card
Standard Apple mouse, keyboard

Cost? $2899

So comparable systems roughly (I'd argue the system I built is better, due to a likely better motherboard with SLI/Crossfire support, and the Radeon 5850), but a ~ $1300 price difference. So you're essentially paying $1300 for the Apple name, case, and labor.

I also checked Dell, and after suffering through their horrendous selection process, I was able to similarly spec a system (except using a 5870 instead of a 5850) for $1799. A couple of hundred more than mine, but still $1100 beneath Apple's price.

Don't get me wrong, I love OS X, and think one of it's best advantages is the close-knit nature Apple maintains between the hardware they develop and OS X. But don't try and say that Apple's prices are the same as others.

please, look more carefully to Mac specs, it uses ECC memory which is 3 times more expensive, here is your 1k difference
 
Also...

Panther:

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Snow Leopard:

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Is it just me or do they look almost identical? Something that Apple always criticise Microsoft for?

And M$ is just now beginning to imitate the Apple Desktop with its multiple windows/apps and a Dock (Taskbar)?

WTH? Improvements have been made in the manner in which the OS handles everything it has to. Just because it still has multiple apps open at the same time on the Desktop does not mean the OS has been static.
 
I think a large part of it is the good reviews 7 has gotten so far. Hence why they only went with "Customer Satisfaction" as the main reason why you shouldn't go to Windows 7 along with the clean install of 7 being required. Arguments from the Apple camp have been "if your going to bring everything over, why don't you just go to Mac?" Well lets not forget that some programs people run on XP that would have to be reinstalled on 7 and work fine might not even be compatible with Mac or if they have versions that are compatible they may have to buy a Mac version. Also, haven't I seen most Mac Users here say a clean install of SL was the way to go for the best performance? I realize that its varies from the XP upgrade to 7 because you HAVE to do a clean install if you even want it to run, but come on let's not overlook whole sides of the argument.

Vista also got good reviews, with Mossberg calling it the best version of Windows yet, how coveniently people forget.
 
Vista also got good reviews, with Mossberg calling it the best version of Windows yet, how coveniently people forget.

Also... the "best" version is always relative to the last version. It's kind of like saying "Windows 7 sucks less than Vista" - which is true :)
 
The only reason Windows 7 is getting any good reviews is because people want anything that is marginally better than that train wreck Vista!
 
Also... the "best" version is always relative to the last version. It's kind of like saying "Windows 7 sucks less than Vista" - which is true :)

Exactly all of the reviews on Windows 7 state that it is what Vista should have been. People are so desperate to get away from Vista that they will take anything thrown at them.
 
Mac Prices ARE in line with PC Prices

Uggg... I read up to page 10 and I cannot believe that no one has pointed out a few things about comparing PC prices to Mac prices:

First, to those that said you cannot get a Core i7 desktop chip in a Mac, you are wrong. As of Tuesday, you can get a Core i5 or a 2.8 Core i7 in an iMac. Mine is on order!

Second, when comparing prices, you MUST compare equal components!

There was someone early on in this thread who was trying to compare a Mac Pro (Workstation class!) with a run of the mill desktop config! Sorry, but this is not a valid comparison. Go to Dell's site and configure a WORKSTATION with the SAME processor and components as a Mac Pro and you will see that the Mac Pro is pretty competative.

Now, compare the current base iMac with a Dell, using the same components, INCLUDING a 22" screen. Pretty comparable.

Do the same with a fully decked out iMac -- Core i7 2.8, and a 27" screen... The iMac is cheaper!!!!!

Sure, you can build a PC, configure one without the screen... Cheaper. So what!!

The iMac offers a VERY POWERFUL, ALL IN ONE, BEATIFULLY DESIGNED, computer that is SILENT, has NO Virus issues, and runs a SEAMLESS Suite of applications STABLEY.

That last part is very important! Someone asked what you can do with OSX that you cant do on Windows 7. Here is you answer:

With OSX you have an easy-to-use SEAMLESS suite of applications: OSX-iCal-Address Book-Mail-iPhoto-iMovie-iTunes-iDVD-iWEB ...They all work together, sharing data and supporting each other. It is AMAZING! There is NOTHING like it on Windows, not even if you buy each of the individual applications! Believe me, I use both at home. I just installed Windows 7 on my PC yesterday.

Windows 7 is nice. I like it.

But it just does not compare to OSX with iLife. And the iMac is just unmatched in the PC world. I challenge ANYONE to find an all-in-one PC that matches the features of the base iMac for a better price than the base iMac!
 
Oooo, fresh and exciting!

Seriously though, I enjoy the iPhone commercials so much more because they focus on what their product does, not what the competitor's doesn't. But I guess they have no reason to do anything new - business is good.

For the iPhone the people are looking for a new phone. So you are trying to make your product more appealing.

For switching from PC to Mac, you have for the most part happy PC customers so you need to point out their pain before they decide to switch.
 
please, look more carefully to Mac specs, it uses ECC memory which is 3 times more expensive, here is your 1k difference

that, the quality of the engineering and design of the case, that it comes pre-assembled and as such has a warrantee. All these things count. If you are in the market for building your own then make a hackintosh and stop complaining!
 
What I want to know is if these guys get free Macs for doing these commercials.

I'd so make sure the my contract would have something entitling me to free hardware every time they have a refresh over the next "X" amount of years. Let's just say 5 for arguments sake.

With each new package in the mail, I'd eBay or Craigslist the old one. I'm an evil capitalist so I wouldn't pass it to anyone for free...even family. *insert Doctor Evil laugh*
 
I wonder how long they will keep up the same style of ads.

I must be a strange concept to you people that these ads are actually working. What other reason could Apple have for continuing "the same style" for years now. They're not the benefit of the easily bored. They're for those who are about ready to switch.
 
These can go on for few more years. They never tire.

In a world of sick humor commercials, stupid or obtuse commercials, floppy penis commercials, sick jacked up radio voiced commercials, fast paced rambling commercials, these seen like heaven on earth. Very comfortable and nicely humorous.

That 80's PC was shocking.
 
Truth in Advertising

Haha...the commercial with the PC promising that there would be no new issues fits my situation....yeah right...

I have been a LONG time mac user and absolutely love the mac. But also being a gamer, I do boot camp into windows from time to time. I am a student and took advantage of Microcraps student price for windows 7.

I had been running the RC, and it worked good. I downloaded the "retail" version from the Microsoft link, and after downloading, could NOT run the installer. (gave me an error) I went to the microsoft forums only to find that hundreds of others had the same issue. The installer unpacks an.exe file, not an iso to burn.

After then scavaging the forums again for a while, I found a workaround to make an iso from my downloaded file. I did that and finally (after 3 methods) got it to work. AFter seemingly installing on my boot camp partition, it asked for my product key.

I put in my key as supplied by M$, and "Invalid product code" appeared. After cursing (and then booting to the mac side) and scavaging the forums again, it appears that hundreds have had this issue as well. Most have gotten around it by reinstalling a previous OS (win xp/vista) then upgrading from there.

I mean...this thing is already a disaster in the making for M$. When I bought Snow Leopard, I put in my DVD, installed and it worked flawlessly.

Then again...I guess I know better...it is Microsoft. PC lied to me...how could you PC???:) :apple:
 
Apple is too complacent.

How deluded can anyone be?!!! It's been mere days since their new products announcements. They have a new mouse, new iMacs, new Mini's. They're approaching 300 retail stores and have already remodeled 70 of them. You think they just pull these things out of a magic bag or something?

Complacent? That's what Apple's "competition" is.

Hey, "stupid" should hurt!
 
I just find these ads, and Apple for that matter, boring now. I am as much an Apple lover as everyone, but MS is doing more to excite me than Apple is lately. Hoping next year Apple does something to leap frog the competition again and stop these little incremental updates.
 
Mac OS (Snow Leopard, etc.) is not a true operating system. Even Apple knows this. Proof = Boot Camp. One can not live in today's computer world without Windows. Windows is Omniscient.

The OS was is over and has been since Windows 95.

I haven't used Windows at all since I got a Mac, except when I have to reinstall my friends' and family's PCs every 6 months. So what you're saying, that one cannot live without Windows, is false, because I can, and I don't see why I couldn't. I'm a photographer and use my Mac for Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and Flash, and actually Final Cut Pro doesn't run on Windows.
 
Why the sudden flood of PC fanboys on an apple forum?

I dont remember this kind of influx for quite some time!

By working hard to convince others, they're also convincing themselves. Takes Stockholm Syndrome to a whole new level.
 
cheeky sure. but still decent.

i too (like most) wish they'd say, with a Mac out of the box you can easily.....
 
Mac OS (Snow Leopard, etc.) is not a true operating system. Even Apple knows this. Proof = Boot Camp. One can not live in today's computer world without Windows. Windows is Omniscient.

The OS was is over and has been since Windows 95.

Don't need Windows. Office for Mac is out. Everything the average user needs has an OS X counterpart, often a better one. Hell even Pages does a good job at playing with Word files. Exchange support is also there. You name it, OS X will do it.

Why install two operating systems?

Windows is for games. And some of us have grown up.
 
that, the quality of the engineering and design of the case, that it comes pre-assembled and as such has a warrantee. All these things count. If you are in the market for building your own then make a hackintosh and stop complaining!

exactly, it's like get a 1000 ads from M$ but on this board. "oh it has 20" screen and gozillion G of memory! and all of this just for $500"
I'm saying - go for it but dont ask me why your laptop holding charge for 30-40 min
 
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