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I just find these ads, and Apple for that matter, boring now. I am as much an Apple lover as everyone, but MS is doing more to excite me than Apple is lately. Hoping next year Apple does something to leap frog the competition again and stop these little incremental updates.

Yeah and what has Microsoft been doing lately that's so exciting, I guess their latest moves into stores is such an exiciting endeavour.
 
Uggg... I read up to page 10 and I cannot believe that no one has pointed out a few things about comparing PC prices to Mac prices:

First, to those that said you cannot get a Core i7 desktop chip in a Mac, you are wrong. As of Tuesday, you can get a Core i5 or a 2.8 Core i7 in an iMac. Mine is on order!

No, you cannot get a Core i7 desktop chip in an iMac. They use laptop components - it's basically just a laptop turned on its side and on a fancy metal stand.

The iMac offers a VERY POWERFUL, ALL IN ONE, BEATIFULLY DESIGNED, computer that is SILENT, has NO Virus issues, and runs a SEAMLESS Suite of applications STABLEY.

Beautifully designed is a completely subjective thing to say. I think the new iMacs are hideous and are a huge step backwards from the designs that Apple used to sell in white.

I don't have virus issues on any of my Windows machines either. They run all of my software without problems, which is more than I can say for my Mac Pro and MacBook, which both have suffered Kernel Panics (the Mac equivalent of BSOD) since upgrading to Snow Leopard. Hell, the other day while I was browsing the Apple website in Safari the browser crashed. No plugins other than the ones Apple was using on the page. Nice stability huh?


But it just does not compare to OSX with iLife. And the iMac is just unmatched in the PC world. I challenge ANYONE to find an all-in-one PC that matches the features of the base iMac for a better price than the base iMac!

Let's be serious here. I use my computers for work as well as leisure. Nothing that iLife offers can help me perform any of my day to day tasks. It works together well, so what? If you've got to use Final Cut or Adobe Premiere to edit videos anyway, having iLife do all this stuff is pretty much useless.
 
How deluded can anyone be?!!! It's been mere days since their new products announcements. They have a new mouse, new iMacs, new Mini's. They're approaching 300 retail stores and have already remodeled 70 of them. You think they just pull these things out of a magic bag or something?

Complacent? That's what Apple's "competition" is.

Hey, "stupid" should hurt!

Well said!
 
Arrogant? Yep. Misleading? Yep. Long in the tooth? VERY!

An overly-sarcastic Don Johnson getup on the PC dude just because they're improving and refreshing? What in the heck did Apple just do a little over a month ago. Oh, yeah, but Microsoft are the dofusses here. Right.

I keep hearing how these ads are arrogant. Nobody calls the Nokia ads arrogant. Nobody calls the Microsoft ads arrogant. Everybody's ads put down the competition. They do it because it works. It's a shame, but Apple isn't above using tactics that work. Perhaps we'd all like them to be, but they have shareholders to think about and products to sell.

Bottom line, if you don't like advertising in general that's one thing, but Apple's ads are no more arrogant and misleading than Microsoft's ads, or anyone else's for that matter.
 
you really that blinded by apples BS?

ASUS G Series G51J-A1
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type Intel Core i7 720QM (1.6GHz)
Resolution 1920 x 1080 (no mac has this resolution for 15-17")
Memory Size 4GB DDR3
HDD Spec 2 x 320GB 7200RPM (yes 2x HDD's in a 15.6" laptop)
GPU/VPU NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M (blows that POS macbook out of the water)
Video Memory 1GB VRAM DDR3
Video Port 1 x VGA, 1 x HDMI (no mac has hdmi with 8ch audio)
Other port 1 x E-SATA (no mac has esata)
Accidental Damage Warranty 1 year ASUS Accidental Damage Warranty - Drops, Fire, Spill, Surge

$1,499.99

please name 1 mac laptop that can outperform that for $1500? your options are pretty limited.

Um...my 17'' Macbook Pro runs at 1920x1200...Do your research
 
With the Microsoft Stores coming to a local mall near you, I hope Apple finally comes out with a campaign on how everything Microsoft does is a copy of Apple, and a poor one at that, from the OS, to the Windows Mobile Marketplace, to the Zune, to the stores.

It's really sad that it's become so obvious that one innovates and the other just mimics.
 
Microsoft needs to take off the kid gloves and punch back at what you REALLY pay for when you buy a Mac:

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It's all about elitism. You PAY for the Apple brand name, like you do for a Sony product like a TV. Call it what it is-- the Apple Tax.

Elitism, what a crock. I hate having to pay so much for a Sony, but when I walk into best buy and all of the screens are showing the same image I am always drawn to the Sony, They spend the money to develop and use the best quality components and tech. So does Apple. Since moving to the same processors as Windows PCs they no longer have to pay the low volume tax on PPCs so they go with higher specks and innovative techologies. Try comparing a Dell all in one. It cost less, but it uses a much slower bus, much older ram technology that is much slower, has a smaller hard drive, less ram capacity, much smaller available screeen, And even on the quad processors they are much slower older tech. So you can not compare Apples to Apples on products.

Apple offers the better value because ad the new features in SL that will allow applications to take advantage of all those cores. The good part is it will improve performance on these macs down the road when developers update their software to use it.
 
you really that blinded by apples BS?

ASUS G Series G51J-A1
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type Intel Core i7 720QM (1.6GHz)
Resolution 1920 x 1080 (no mac has this resolution for 15-17")
Memory Size 4GB DDR3
HDD Spec 2 x 320GB 7200RPM (yes 2x HDD's in a 15.6" laptop)
GPU/VPU NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M (blows that POS macbook out of the water)
Video Memory 1GB VRAM DDR3
Video Port 1 x VGA, 1 x HDMI (no mac has hdmi with 8ch audio)
Other port 1 x E-SATA (no mac has esata)
Accidental Damage Warranty 1 year ASUS Accidental Damage Warranty - Drops, Fire, Spill, Surge

$1,499.99

please name 1 mac laptop that can outperform that for $1500? your options are pretty limited.

Please name one mac laptop with a 15.6" screen that weighs 7.26 pounds. You can follow that up with a mac laptop that contains anywhere near the amount of hideously ugly badging that thing contains (at least the one at NewEgg). I can't find specs anywhere, but I'm willing to bet the battery life isn't too great either.

Don't get me wrong, if I had to choose a Windows laptop, I'd pick an ASUS as well. I like ASUS, and I'm glad you are happy with your choice of laptop. But please don't come here and expect to "tell everybody" how stupid they are for choosing Apple products. Even ASUS products (while leaps and bounds beyond Dell and the like) have a much lower build quality than Apple products. If you can't see that or you simply don't get it, that's fine, but don't assume your inability to see the obvious means everyone else is hallucinating.
 
No, you cannot get a Core i7 desktop chip in an iMac. They use laptop components - it's basically just a laptop turned on its side and on a fancy metal stand.

Sorry... It is YOU that is wrong here. The newest 27" iMac, just released this Thursday, uses the latest DESKTOP i5 and i7 chips.


Beautifully designed is a completely subjective thing to say. I think the new iMacs are hideous and are a huge step backwards from the designs that Apple used to sell in white.

Ok... Sure. YOU think the iMac is ugly. Fine. I would argue that MOST people off the street, when given the choice of a new iMac and a typical Dell Mid-Tower/Monitor, would choose the iMac in a heart beat based on looks alone.

I don't have virus issues on any of my Windows machines either. They run all of my software without problems, which is more than I can say for my Mac Pro and MacBook, which both have suffered Kernel Panics (the Mac equivalent of BSOD) since upgrading to Snow Leopard. Hell, the other day while I was browsing the Apple website in Safari the browser crashed. No plugins other than the ones Apple was using on the page. Nice stability huh?

Again, don't know what YOU are doing, but the MAJORITY of TYPICAL home users of Windows have trouble with viruses, virus software, and a hoste of other slow downs and software crashes. While the typical home user of OSX has NO ISSUES with viruses, stability, or slowdown. EVER.

Let's be serious here. I use my computers for work as well as leisure.
Nothing that iLife offers can help me perform any of my day to day tasks. It works together well, so what? If you've got to use Final Cut or Adobe Premiere to edit videos anyway, having iLife do all this stuff is pretty much useless.

Here we go again. This is not about YOU. Think typical home user. The person who goes into BestBuy to get a computer. The typical home user WANTS EVERYTHING to just work together. Wants the functionality that iPhoto and iMovie offer. They don't know how to use Photoshop or Premiere (ESPECIALLY Premiere!).

I find that most people arguing in favor of Windows are these power users (Like Paul Thurott) who know every little trick, love building their PCs, and tweaking every little setting. I used to be one of those guys. Its just that there are far more "typical home users" that don't want to mess with that crap... That want a PC that just works. A PC that has a seamless, integrated suite of applications. A PC where they don't need to worry about getting a virus, or updating their virus software. The Mac is, IMHO, the best PC for a typical home user, by far! (And it is also pretty awesome for power users that are willing to look at anything other than Windows.)
 
Yeah and what has Microsoft been doing lately that's so exciting, I guess their latest moves into stores is such an exiciting endeavour.

What has Microsoft been doing lately? You serious? Oh, I see. You know nothing about the enterprise computer software market.

Do some reasearch before you make such a statement. The enterprise market is Microsoft's primary focus.

To name a few:
Windows Server and client (in the enterprise)
SQL Server
Exchange
System Center
Web Services, .NET and ASP.NET
Visual Studio

The number of Windows desktop OS licenses sold at retail is less of a concern to how many license sold to OEMs and corporations.
 
I just find these ads, and Apple for that matter, boring now. I am as much an Apple lover as everyone, but MS is doing more to excite me than Apple is lately. Hoping next year Apple does something to leap frog the competition again and stop these little incremental updates.

Not trynna be a dick or anything butttt wtf has MS been doing to excite you? Windows 7 release? The new retail store? The Zune HD? .. I don't find those things really exciting, although I do want Windows 7.

But yes these Apple ads are getting dragged out, but they are iight.

EDIT: Ohh I see now .. well yeah that stuff is exciting to the enterprise, not to the general public.
 
Just one more thing...

That home user that walks into Best Buy to buy a computer... What they know of Windows is an OS that is FILLED with crapware... They know that they get pop-up messages asking about updates, and to register, and to download virus protection, etc... They don't know how to make that crap go away!

I know that is not the fault of Microsoft, but, that is the WIndows market. Every vendor thows on a ton of crapware, or even if they don't, throws on their "value added" software that changes the OS experience from vendor to vendor!

That stuff just doesn't happen on a Mac. Say what you will abourt Apple tax. I would argue that the Windows Tax is having to deal with all that crapware, or paying a Best Buy Geek to remove it all for you.

Remember: We are talking about typical home users.
 
No, you cannot get a Core i7 desktop chip in an iMac. They use laptop components - it's basically just a laptop turned on its side and on a fancy metal stand.

You haven't been reading the new a lot lately, have you? About the Core i7 iMac...? No? Put your Windows 7 Party Pack down and take a look. Perhaps if Apple had made Core i7 iMac balloons, signed by Steve Jobs, you would have known.

Beautifully designed is a completely subjective thing to say. I think the new iMacs are hideous and are a huge step backwards from the designs that Apple used to sell in white.

Err, isn't "hideous" completely subjective, too? Kind of shot down your own point, there.

I don't have virus issues on any of my Windows machines either. They run all of my software without problems, which is more than I can say for my Mac Pro and MacBook, which both have suffered Kernel Panics (the Mac equivalent of BSOD) since upgrading to Snow Leopard. Hell, the other day while I was browsing the Apple website in Safari the browser crashed. No plugins other than the ones Apple was using on the page. Nice stability huh?

Then I'd say you have a hardware issue - my iMac has run SL flawlessly since I installed it on release day, including Safari. But then my anecdotal claims carry as much weight as yours.

Let's be serious here. I use my computers for work as well as leisure. Nothing that iLife offers can help me perform any of my day to day tasks. It works together well, so what? If you've got to use Final Cut or Adobe Premiere to edit videos anyway, having iLife do all this stuff is pretty much useless.

Oh okay, lets *be* serious. Windows offers nothing that I need to do my day to day work, and neither does OSX. Do you work with Windows Movie Maker all day? I have to install my development tools before I can work with Windows, which according to your logic (using the term loosely), that's counts against it. Bizarre.

The Windows crowd are out in force today, it seems. all because of a couple of ads...
 
but when I walk into best buy and all of the screens are showing the same image I am always drawn to the Sony, They spend the money to develop and use the best quality components and tech.

Panasonic. But Sony is right up there, too. ;)
 
What has Microsoft been doing lately? You serious? Oh, I see. You know nothing about the enterprise computer software market.

Do some reasearch before you make such a statement. The enterprise market is Microsoft's primary focus.

To name a few:
Windows Server and client (in the enterprise)
SQL Server
Exchange
System Center
Web Services, .NET and ASP.NET
Visual Studio

The number of Windows desktop OS licenses sold at retail is less of a concern to how many license sold to OEMs and corporations.

Yes something to get excited over. :rolleyes:
 
What has Microsoft been doing lately? You serious? Oh, I see. You know nothing about the enterprise computer software market.

Do some reasearch before you make such a statement. The enterprise market is Microsoft's primary focus.

To name a few:
Windows Server and client (in the enterprise)
SQL Server
Exchange
System Center
Web Services, .NET and ASP.NET
Visual Studio

The number of Windows desktop OS licenses sold at retail is less of a concern to how many license sold to OEMs and corporations.


All the things you listed are MEANINGLESS to a home user.

Lets face it... Apple is going after the home market and Microsoft is going after the business market.

Judging from Apple's numbers every quarter, year after year, I would say Apple is doing VERY WELL taking HOME market share away from Windows.

There are two people in my Office that purchased a new iMac yesterday, and FIVE(5) more that are very close to getting one. ALL of them are typical home users that are fed up with Windows and Windows PCs!
 
all those previous claims were probably all close to true...

BUT, new versions create more problems that didn't exist in previous ones...

Paying $1300 for the apple name, if your talking about Mac OS X Snow Leopard then being able to run that instead of windows 7 is easily worth $1300. Years of headaches and frustration isn't worth it.
 
What has Microsoft been doing lately? You serious? Oh, I see. You know nothing about the enterprise computer software market.

Do some reasearch before you make such a statement. The enterprise market is Microsoft's primary focus.

To name a few:
Windows Server and client (in the enterprise)
SQL Server
Exchange
System Center
Web Services, .NET and ASP.NET
Visual Studio

The number of Windows desktop OS licenses sold at retail is less of a concern to how many license sold to OEMs and corporations.

I don't think that the Apple ads were aimed at the enterprise and products like Active Directory, SQL Server and Exchange have existed for ten years or more and haven't fundamentally changed in that time- hardly exciting.
 
who are these ads even convincing besides the already converted who are basically patting themselves on their backs for being mac owners?

i have a macbook but i solely run windows 7 on it. way better than snow leopard!
 
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