Even though the play store is policed so poorly that loads of malware ridden apps end up on it? That is Google’s own store, I dread to think how the 3rd party stores handle apps and malware.
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You are one of many who don’t understand the issue on iOS. It’s not iOS that’s a monopoly, it’s Apple acting like a monopoly on the App Store with their rules.
Well they sorta do... (54% Senate, 37% Congress are lawyers). Used to be much higher.
Yes a "phone" is essential and the only other serious phone option available is Android, where Google has similar restrictions. Epic's suing both of them for antitrust.
The "oh, they only have 24% of the market" doesn't necessarily hold, because between Apple and Google they have near enough 100% of the platform market, and 100% of the IAP processing market.
Critically, they don't compete in IAP, since they only operate on their own platforms, not each others.
They use their platform (OS) domiance to avoid competition in another market (IAP), and preventing others from entering the IAP market (like Stripe). That's exactly what Microsoft was penalised for 20 years ago.
No there wasn't, Linux was a very popular operating system and just like with Apple using the argument that because there is an alternative mobile OS, they are not a monopoly and thus can do as they please, Microsoft used the same argument, that because there was an alternative OS that customers could use, they were not doing anything wrong. The courts disagreed as they will with Apple (provided the lawyers make the correct arguments)
I lived through it. I remember it well. And apparently I remember the outcome far better than you.
Indeed Microsoft ended up doing far better than they could have hoped to having managed to essential get a somewhat expensive slap of the wrist.
But hey, don't take my word for it, take Andrew Chin's words that the final agreement gave Microsoft a "special antitrust immunity to license Windows and other 'platform software' under contractual terms that destroy freedom of competition".
And who's Andrew Chin you ask? Why he was only Judge Jackson Penfold's assistant on the appeal.
Want to read more, how about "Instead, harms to competition from Microsoft’s tying conduct that were factually proven at trial have gone unremedied, and Microsoft now enjoys illegitimately acquired monopoly power in the market for Web browser software products."
You really should read the "Wake Forest Law Review" analysis of the case. It makes fascinating reading....
Steve Balmer stayed in control of MS during this time and ran it with an iron fist that continued its aggressive stance.
It was only after he stood down that Nadella took over and started to work with Open Source and external companies.
Balmer's view was that Linux was a cancer that should be eradicated.
Like I said, the court case did little to change Microsoft.
You wish to prove otherwise then provide facts. Right now it's provable through facts that MS continued their aggressive adversial stance for a decade until Balmer finally stepped down.
That's not the argument.
Apple's App Store is the only way you can install an app on an iPhone/iPad. There is not alternative.
Apple has the monopoly on iOS app distribution.
There are several app stores available for Android users beyond Google Play and they can also manually install apps via side loading.
Their users have options.
Apple is a public traded company so Mr. Cook is beholden to the stockholders to make money as is with any publicly traded company, so I back him 100%. What a lot of people are not looking at is that in order to play Fortnight on X-Box or Playsation you will have to subscribe to either X-box live or the PlayStation network which charges you each month so you are paying more on the other platforms. Reminder all the others are charging Epic the same and then some so why is everyone on Apple's case? again Apple work for the stockholders.
If I recall correctly though back in the day didn’t Microsoft force PC manufacturers to use their software, this is why OS/2 and Unix didn’t take off and why all the IBM compatibles ended up with Microsoft software in the first place. I believe at its height Microsoft had 90% or more of the PC market which is when all the antitrust stuff blew up. Back in them days if you wanted a PC it came preloaded with Microsoft.
lol Congrats on the confirmation that you have great memory. Anyway, I also remember the case and followed Microsoft for years and the company did change on how they operated even if Balmer gave the impression of running the company with an iron fist. We agree to disagree. Have great day, afternoon and evening.
And bypasses iOS parental controls. Do you think apps should be able to do that?
I’m not saying Apple is perfect but it’s far more secure than Android because it’s a walled garden. Occasionally a bad app will skip through but nothing to the degree of the Play store and Android in general.
Yes e-commerce existed, but it was the wild west in the beginning. Mainstream payment methods (PayPal, Amazon Pay, Apple Pay, Google Pat) have made it safer, but those come with costs per transaction.
I compete agree with you, in order to stop the madness we need to hold ourselves and elected officials accountable ( we put them in office ) and make a change to better consumers.
So there's two of you who belive in the fantasy then.
Microsoft continued their aggressive adversarial approach to competition for almost a decade after the court case.
They changed only when Balmer resigned and Nadella took over.
Care to demonstrate certain aspects of Microsoft's post settlement history in the decade that followed that proves this fantasy of yours?
Does Steam have a monopoly on their store? Can I just submit something that they explicitly haven’t allowed for years and then take them to court with a clear fully packaged PR campaign to boot?
You have your fantasy and we have ours. Now back to the main topic, Apple vs. Epic.
In what solar system are these two cases “very similar”? Microsoft had an OS that was running on the far majority of workstations. They wanted to keep it this way. And their OS was essentially THE gateway to the internet. They weren’t the only browser available though, so they tried to make Explorer the default browser.
In Apple’s case, they have a small market share, they make the hardware and OS for their hardware, and they operate a store to distribute software to their hardware. How do they not have the right to dictate terms in their own store that distributes software to their own hardware?
What exactly is illegal about their business model? If you think their cut is too much, what do you base this off? The burden of proof is not on Apple — they set the rate because it is their store, and they have been consistent. Do you really think a judge is going to determine what they think the correct rate should be?
Think about it.
There’s explicit emails that are public domain that shows Gates was lying about their intentions. This is all public record.
Your example makes no sense due to the fact, Steam operates on an open platform (PC/Mac) with multiple stores and different ways to distribute apps and games.
That's Apple's security issue they must solve. Parental controls are pointless if they can be bypassed.
There’s no understanding there. Microsoft’s “rules” violated the law. Apple’s don’t.
The App Store has been around for a decade, and the terms were just fine with Epic. Why complain now?
When you can answer that question, you’ll realize that Epic is nothing more than a greedy, rich developer who wants a bigger cut.
It’s despicable that Epic is willing to sacrifice their customers like pawns.
I know that’s not the argument, but it is a point several people have stated in this and other threads.
The mainstream iOS user likely doesn’t care about alternative app stores. Jail breaking was popular for a very small segment of users back in the day.
Now would I like to go and download an app at a dev site, if they had an Apple cert? Maybe, but I like the convenience of a one stop shop.