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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

EfratBarTal said:
Haha.. This is a really just a minor victory for Tim Apple and co.
The long game is gonna go in Epic's favor because court and consumer protection are just about to start frying Apple.
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I literally still chuckle when people now call tim, Tim Apple. It really does bring a smile.
 
Piggie said:
Trust me, Apple will have to back down in the long term.
They will win small battles along the way, but they WILL lose the war.
Do you think Apple will be allowed to grow and grow and grow forever and still act as they do today? No.
It may take months, it may take a year, it may take many years, but Apple will either have to decide to change it's current ways or it will be forced to by laws imposed upon it.
This will happen. The only questions are change by how much and when.

This I can guarantee you, and every sensible person must know this will be the outcome.
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I also think the current mobile stores situation cannot last forever, as rules becomes even more strict and arbitrary, developer resentment grows, and these platforms becoming outright hostile to develop for.
I predict that law will make changes to how app stores operate, in particular allowing third party payment processors, and lifting other consumer hostile TOS restrictions.
This will be the decade of developers revolting against the 2 dominant mobile app stores.
 
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NT1440 said:
Monopoly on what exactly?
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On what can or can’t be on the App Store. Keeping apps that may compete with their services crippled or out of the store completely. Where are the Xcloud, Stadia and other game streaming apps? Not on the iOS store due to stupid policies Apple is too stubborn to modify to allow these apps on the platform. There are so many examples but people on these forums seem to have Stockholm syndrome.
 
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Riffz60 said:
You’re telling me you can play it on a PS4?

But I thought Apple was an anti competitive monopoly. So there are other competing devices you can get this game, from other competing stores? 🤯
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You apparently have no idea what a monopoly is, don’t you.
 
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Piggie said:
Makes me laugh to see Apple say they had no choice.
Ummmm, yes Apple would had every choice.
EPIC makes some choices and YOU make some choices in response.
Apple don't make out some robot AI did this and you could not control it. YOU chose to remove Epic.
Now, you may say your own rules which you made up and you chose to follow meant you decided to take this action.
But please stop with the lies, and making remarks like you had no choice.

That's like me saying I give you $5 if you cut the grass on my front and back lawn, but you only did the front, so I had no choice but to not pay you.
I COULD have chosen to pay you but I decided I would not.
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If Apple does not pull the game, what stops other devs from doing the same ****? Apple is doing exactly what their ToS says, and not playing favorites.
 
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TiggrToo said:
No idea what you're talking about.
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The case where US forced MS to make IE not the default browser. see this US vs MS article

In his 43-page conclusions of law, Judge Jackson's final judgment on the evidence, the judge wrote that ''the court concludes that Microsoft maintained its monopoly power by anticompetitive means and attempted to monopolize the Web browser market,'' as well as ''unlawfully tying its Web browser to its operating system'' -- all in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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It was impossible to remove entirely, but you could hide it.
 
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buckyballs said:
There's a key difference between a Playstation and an iPhone. A Playstation is sold as specialist gaming hardware, whereas a phone has become essential to everyday modern life. Those are taken into consideration when antitrust proceedings take place. It's the reason Microsoft lost 20 years ago as the web became more critical
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But thats where people have it wrong, an iPhone is not an essential in modern life, a phone is. And in that regard there are many many other brands out there that also sell phones. Apple only has like 24% of the market. There's a key difference. Apple products have never been priced for the masses they're an exclusive item for those willing to pay extra to get a more quality product and experience. Apple is not forcing anyone to stay on their platform.
 
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dmylrea said:
Fortnite is the app. Apple controls the distribution of it. In-app purchases have NOTHING to do with Apple. Epic wants to charge for those, since Apple DOES NOTHING to get the money for those! How is that so hard to understand?
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Wait... what?

In-app purchases are tied to your AppleID... they use your credit card saved in your Apple account... Apple verifies your password and FaceID/TouchID... and so on.

So unless I'm mistaken... in-app purchases have absolutely everything to do with Apple.

Of course Epic doesn't like that... since Apple takes their 30% cut. But those are the rules they agreed to when they put Fortnite on the App Store years ago.
 
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jicon said:
Nobody wins here. But before someone starts justifying that 30% entry... just remember what Apple's corporate tax rate is due to some creative accounting.
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Apple's effective tax rate:

2017: 24.6% (35% statutory federal income tax rate)
2018: 18.3% (24.5% statutory federal income tax rate)
2019: 15.9% (21% statutory federal income tax rate)

So the effective federal tax rate went down 14 percentage points and Apple's went down only 8.7 percentage points.

In 2019 they sat aside over $10 billions for taxes.
 
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robertcoogan said:
A lot of comments bring up the fact that Epic did this to itself. It really Sweeney who did this - he has a reputation for tenacity, even if it is misguided and hypocritical.
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He's been in the industry since forever, knows exactly what he is doing and here for the long haul.
It's a calculated risk, but not one that can sink Epic.
And I don't believe he picked up this fight for the money. It's more about a fight to keep general purpose computers alive and that 10 or 20 years from now, your only choice to install any software on a computer is not restricted by a unique store on that platform and its rules.
 
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Does this mean that Epic can never ever make another app on the App Store?

Can they make a new account under a different subdivision?

Can they even decide to get rid of their payment system and put Fortnite back on the store now that their account has been deleted?
 
richardsonrs said:
Did I say I thought they should make nothing? Pretty sure I did not. Little thing called competition. Just like if I want to buy my iPhone somewhere cheaper, I can. iPhone are computers now and to important to daily life for one company to have total control over how I use it and where I can source content for it.
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So you agree with Jobs that we live in a post-PC world?
 
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