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Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied
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Didn't it also take a year for iPad to get the iPhone's App Library?
So yeah, probably next year. LOL
I must add, it's possible that the apps don't get access to ask for virtual memory (and stay trapped within their hard RAM allocations like has been the case on iPadOS/iOS since the beginning),yet Stage Manager will use swap to allow those apps to stay open without refreshing.
Ok, I'm done. You can't read English properly.
The iPad Air 5 is capable of memory swapping, and you've got no evidence that it isn't. Bye bye
That's entirely possible, but in all fairness there hasn't been any evidence in this thread, by you or anyone else, that this is true. We do know from Apple directly that virtual memory swap is only "available on iPad Air (5th generation) with a minimum of 256GB storage, iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation) and iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)." That's what the site says. In fact, you yourself raised virtual memory for the system itself (and thus Stage Manager) as a possibility.
That sounds reasonable and logical if we assume Apple is telling the truth in its requirements for Stage Manager and consider that the iPad Air 5 64GB supports it. But it isn't proof that the limitation only applies to apps, although I agree that the language on the site itself supports such a reading. Still, it's an assumption and at some point during this thread you seem to have convinced yourself that what you introduced as a possible explanation for the iPad Air 5 64GB not supporting virtual memory swap while still supporting Stage Manager is a fact and everyone else is just plain wrong and can't read. Maybe, but maybe not. It certainly wouldn't be the first time for Apple to blame hardware limitations for not bringing a feature to its older products even though that was nonsense.
Anyway, we shall see. I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you also haven't shown any actual evidence that you're right.
Sure. There's still a lot of unknowns regarding the M1 features now, let alone what will have changed on the public release.
It is people like you who have the audacity to call their opinion a fact when saying that the majority of people you don‘t know has no knowledge of a thing, without even knowing what the majority of people here are, what they do or what they know, not to mention if they are right or wrong.
The „it‘s not possible“ mantra is the industry-wide bs SJ fought against and won, and now it‘s back.
I call BS on 5K/60. 5K2K (your 5120x2160) is not the same as true 5K. 5K is 15 million pixels requiring 34Gbps of bandwidth that USB-C cannot handle. 5K2K is only 11 million pixels, 33% more than 4K.
5120x2160 is not true 5K. hence they added the 5K2K denominator. 5k2K is only 19.91 Gbps which tops out a USB-C only connection.
Straight from the horses mouth.
and info on 5K
5K resolution - Wikipedia
People think the jump between 4K or 5k2k to 5k is trivial, it isn't. There is a lot more bandwidth to being pushed. 5K2K is just 4K with some added columns on both sides.
I’m caring less and less about 2020 iPad Pro users as well. They have no genuine inner knowledge on this and unfortunately we just have to rely on what Apple are doing.
Saying that, if Apple don’t give people what they want, people have the choice to move into something different. We have know for many years that Apple will do Apple and people will criticise them either way.
I don't claim to have evidence that I'm right. The problem is the news stories based on another equally evidence-free interpretation of that same exact page do claim they're right. And other people are making fact claims based on it.
And if you actually go and read babyexercise's posts, you'll see they are in fact not engaging with any points made. Unlike you, who actually went and tried to figure out what is going on, they simply brush aside everything and restate their points over and over.
Not sure why that critique is applied to me in lieu of them, who in fact was the first to claim others couldn't read. I restated my evidence-free position in a tongue in cheek parody of them though, as you quoted.
All facts have pointed out that Apple can just easily turn on a hidden mode then a lot of not super old ipads can run Stage Manager without any problem, just Apple wants to boost their most expensive new pro and air sales and would not care how current older ipad users feel including people bought super expensive pro 2020 in year 2021.
As was explained to you about 10 times now, the news saying the 64GB iPad Air 5 has no memory swap isn't based on solid information - the source of this 'news' is a footnote on Apple's site that could mean something other than it has been interpreted to mean.
It's very possible that the iPad Air 5 in fact does have memory swap capabilities that Stage Manager can use.
Any further discussion with you is pointless are you simply can't/won't engage with other people's points.
He were arguing for the computational power reason, there’s no need for me to defend his position with another different argument when I’m on the A12X side.
For now even without the help of memory swap, it could keep around 10 productivity apps on memory without getting killed on my A12X, of course I’m pushing a bit because in my day to day use I’m only confident this iPad can keep around 6 apps on RAM, but with a bit of memory swap I think it’d manage the 8 apps reliably to meet the minimum amount for the stage manager.
The A12Z should have even brighter future as they have 6 GB which is only 25% less RAM than most of the M1 model.
Yes app RAM usage will only go up as year progresses, and that’s ok. If after 2 years progresses we could only keep 6 or 4 apps on stage manager, we would understand just like how iPhone 6 user understand their phone struggles to keep 3 apps on memory back on 2019, because by that point we’d have satisfied by the 6 years our iPad have served us and it’s probably time to retire or move it to less demanding tasks.
So yeah, I’m confident with a bit of memory swap even the 4 GB variant could handle stage manager, at least for 2 years.
But Tim Cook’s pocket cannot handle your lack of faith in giving Apple money and upgrading your devices.
Putting memory swap in 64gb ssd would kill the SSD in few years or even faster, someone else in this forum has already pointed this out. Multiple news have already mentioned this air 5 has no memory swap and it makes sense.
There are two different possible scenarios from the info we have so far:
A) The 64GB iPad Air has no swap at all and the news is right.
B) Memory swap as Apple talks about it on their page is an iPadOS 16 feature independent of Stage Manager where apps can request additional memory via memory swap. While Apple states it is not available on the 64GB model, it is possible that Apple won't allow individual apps to go ahead and use the SSD for memory swap - as is the case in current iPadOS/iOs, but may still employ memory swap to help Stage Manager.
In that scenario you have a situation where the individual apps are subject to iPadOS 15's normal RAM limits, but if you have 8 apps running in Stage Manager, it employs some limited memory swapping to keep them from reloading.
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The problem I have with your argument is you haven't offered any indication you actually understand what I'm saying. It'd be fine if you simply disagreed but it's like everything I say gets lost in translation with you.
If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and admit it. Will you?
So, with all the amazing power of the M1 iPads, they should be able to handle multi user login now yeah?
Oh, that will bli exclusive to the M2 iPad pros, gonna need that RAM and unparalleled power.
If B case is true then all not too old ipads can run Stage Manager anyway, just Apple doesn't want to active the hidden function.
B case includes the assumption that the SSD is capable of the memory swap in the M1 that Apple is claiming is necessary. I really can't make this any clearer for you.
64gb of Air 5 can do that but pro 2020 ssd cannot? I don't see anything special out of air5 64gb ssd
A benchmark between the iPad Air 4 (A14) and the 2021 iPad Pro (M1) showed the write speed of the internal storage was essentially 3x faster. 589MBps vs 1532MBps. I think in the year since that benchmark, updates to iPadOS have allowed the iPad Pro M1 to achieve higher speeds, the same benchmark giving a result of 2169MBps.
Not only do you have a much faster SSD, but you have more RAM. An older iPad with Stage Manager might need to use swap more because it has 4GB/6GB of RAM in the first place, and then the swap itself is much slower. That can compound into far worse performance where the thing you need to use more is slower.
I can't seem to find how fast the 2020 iPad Pro storage is though. Looking through some benchmarks for the 2018 iPad Pro shows that it is slower than the iPad Air 4, somewhere in the 300MBps range - and that iPad Pro only had 4GB RAM in the base model.
I'm not saying the above is evidence that stage manager couldn't run, but it's enough to reconsider that Apple's explanation MAY be truthful. And I'm not pro-Apple on this. I for one think they skimped on RAM amount and storage quality in the 2018 and 2020 iPad Pros which is inexcusable considering the pro prices they charged for it and the fact they probably knew pro features requiring better hardware were on the horizon.
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Baby steps. First Apple would introduce calculator app on ipadOS 17. They will require the faster neural engine of the M2 to achieve Apple’s level of satisfaction, which the M1 cannot provide. Multi-user login? .... well.... that magical feature will require our new M3 Pro Silicon with its faster memory technology and minimum of 128GB of RAM. M2 and M1 unfortunately do not meet Apple's level of satisfaction.
But it's obvious the A12X would do a much worse job of it, up to 4 times worse, if you will. So basically you're arguing that your standards are lower than Apple's. I guess that's fine...