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I use my ipad pro, non M, as my personal computing device. Unless you're a power user on your ipad then I don't know if you're gonna miss this feature that much and if your a power user and don't own a non ipad apple computing device might make more sense to buy/upgrade to one of the macbook airs? Then just treat the ipad as a tablet for bang for your buck maybe? I think that's the way I'd go if I needed this feature and more power.

That being said if this works well enough on the non M pros kind of annoying that Apple doesn't allow for it.
Exactly, from my wives user experience - she emails, goes on linkedin, watches disney plus, casts on TV and makes an occasional text document. She doesn't need it, and iPad Air 4 she has, is perfectly fine without this feature.

But you see, now all the "I am not sponsored by Apple" productivity bloggers likes of:

https://www.youtube.com/c/Dailytekk/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/Oliur

https://www.youtube.com/c/ThisIsE

will go on to tell you, how you absolutely need it to be "productive" and "efficient". While the 2 year old M1 computers work perfectly fine along side with non M1 iPad's, and you how you sometimes really need a pen and paper to get work done while still running Catalina.

So, the crazy people who have the money, will go on to order the M1 iPad's, crazy people without the money will go and beg their parents for a early christmas present, lastly, those who lack both options, will come here to throw hate at Apple for not including it in their product.

Maybe I am wrong ....
 
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Buyer's Guide: 11" iPad Pro (Don't Buy), 12.9" iPad Pro (Caution)

huh? Arent the 11 and 12.9 usually updated at the same time? Shouldn't they both be "don't buy"?
I think the 11" is Don't Buy because there is an obvious feature it lacks that the same gen 12.9" has.... the mini-LED screen. So, logically, an 11" mini-LED version is expected. There's no obvious update that you'd expect the 12.9" to get.
 
Yeah, lack of RAM is a real harsh limiting factor, huh Apple?
Funny how I can run multiple instances of VM windows on my synolgy NAS, which is packing a glorified Celeron processor, without issue but your top of the line A series seems to chug with simple multitasking. Maybe it’s the fact my NAS is running 16GB of RAM because clearly it’s not the Processor at fault here.
Funnier still how your immediate excuse was “oh uh it needs memory swap to run that,” but then when it pointed out that even iPad models that support memory swap but don’t have the same RAM as the M1 iPads still don’t offer Stage Manager.
Just be honest… you gimped your product with minimal ram to maximize profits, and now it’s coming back to bite you.
 
I grow weary of this controversy. From what I’ve seen, not something I would use that often anyway. At least the beta 1 version.

It's only a controversy because anti-Apple bashing trolls who don't even use iPads made it one. There is no big deal here with a vast majority of iPad owners, they can still use their iPad as they always have. People who buy newer higher end iPads with M1, will be able to do more with their systems. Not sure how this is a thing when this applies TO ALL HARDWARE that is more capable than lesser hardware.
 
Yeah, lack of RAM is a real harsh limiting factor, huh Apple?
Funny how I can run multiple instances of VM windows on my synolgy NAS, which is packing a glorified Celeron processor, without issue but your top of the line A series seems to chug with simple multitasking. Maybe it’s the fact my NAS is running 16GB of RAM because clearly it’s not the Processor at fault here.
Funnier still how your immediate excuse was “oh uh it needs memory swap to run that,” but then when it pointed out that even iPad models that support memory swap but don’t have the same RAM as the M1 iPads still don’t offer Stage Manager.
Just be honest… you gimped your product with minimal ram to maximize profits, and now it’s coming back to bite you.
Not sure how it's come back to bite Apple...... only the people who purchased said gimped devices
 
"stage manager" worked on a intel Mac in 2009... are we serious?


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This is just a ploy to get non M1s upgraded and trying to justify that makes it sound like they’re guilty of something 🤔 , they probably are. They were not satisfied with their test outcome, what a lame admission 🙄
 
People are still missing the point so it again bears repeating - the 2018/2020 iPad Pros could probably run Stage Manager but the performance would be lousy because the SSDs in those iPads are 5-10x slower than those in the M1-based machines. Lower amounts of RAM = more need for virtual memory swapping. More virtual memory swapping + slower SSD = slower, laggier, stuttering performance. Apple is not saying it can’t be done, they’re saying the experience will suck and they‘re not willing to gimp the feature.

macOS has had virtual memory for years and we’ve all learned to deal with what it causes. Spinning beach balls, hanging screens, and general slowness. Apple has clearly said they don’t want that for iPad. People expect instant response time on a touch-first device.
 
Bore off... Apple are a business and businesses want profits. They're not a charity. They want you to go out and buy new, and to continue to want new... and to then... buy new. Change the record. Your old iPad on iO16 will suck, so, buy "this" instead!

Who the hell ever said that? Not supporting a few new features does not mean the new OS is going "suck" on older hardware. Is this the narrative that is causing so much complaining? Nor are any of these features a "must have" that will "force" people to upgrade.

This is the entitled world we live in today. If I can't have it [for free], then NO ONE SHOULD [even if they pay for it]!!!!
 
Meh. Literally every argument in favour of Apple products includes how future proof these products are because Apple keeps updating them. We can't have it both ways.
except apple has repeatedly done this so it's not like it's unknown to people that apple constantly adds new features to entice you to upgrade.
 
Smart people will use their devices as they used them before ... and not care, and upgrade when they want to or when they need it.
Stupid people will come here to complain that they aren't getting it.
Even stupider people will go spend money they don't have on **** they don't need - George Carlin, had an amazing special on this topic. Some Apple fans, have to watch it.

Link:
 
Smart people will use their devices as they used them before ... and not care, and upgrade when they want to or when they need it.
Stupid people will come here to complain that they aren't getting it.
Even stupider people will go spend money they don't have on **** they don't need - George Carlin, had an amazing special on this topic. Some Apple fans, have to watch it.

Link:

Yes, smart people give all their money to companies without thinking, because that's very smart.
They just accept everything everyone tells them to.
 
It’s weird that every Mac I have used over the past 25 years has had no problems handling onscreen windowing.

Now all of a sudden “windowing” requires insane computing resources that my non-M1 iPad can’t deliver.

Huh.

Before the MC68020 no Mac had virtual memory and was the reason the Mac was not a multitasking device. After that point in time that chip offered paged memory management, and thus, virtual swap memory. (And even then, the Mac only supported cooperative multitasking and some apps needed manual tuning to their memory allocation.)

The A-series SoCs do not support paged memory management (because these were designed for high efficiency mobile devices as it takes/wastes a lot of energy to swap code back and forth from memory to storage.), and so multitasking is limited to freezing apps and flushing them from memory when memory is needed elsewhere. This is why persistent state is so pervasive and important in iOS.

The M1 SoCs have paged memory management which was absolutely needed for more memory intensive applications, and therefor can have more applications "open" if needed.

None of this would be "weird" to anyone who knew anything about the subject.

"Ignorance always comes with a big mouth."
 
This is obviously a feature built for latest and future iPads. It's their attempt to play the long game with iPads. They do not want to do things the old way.

Whether they are right or not, remains to be seen. And you may disagree with their decisions. But it's always the case with Apple, isn't it? From Touch ID to Face ID, from Lightning to the Notch, people ALWAYS had ideas why Apple is wrong and how they should do things differently.

This is what it is. It's their vision. They did it in a way that requires an M1. It's fine. In a few years all iPads will have it. In the meantime, your iPads will still work great.

People are freaking out over this waaaaaay too much.
 
Before the MC68020 no Mac had virtual memory and was the reason the Mac was not a multitasking device. After that point in time that chip offered paged memory management, and thus, virtual swap memory. (And even then, the Mac only supported cooperative multitasking and some apps needed manual tuning to their memory allocation.)

The A-series SoCs do not support paged memory management (because these were designed for high efficiency mobile devices as it takes/wastes a lot of energy to swap code back and forth from memory to storage.), and so multitasking is limited to freezing apps and flushing them from memory when memory is needed elsewhere. This is why persistent state is so pervasive and important in iOS.

The M1 SoCs have paged memory management which was absolutely needed for more memory intensive applications, and therefor can have more applications "open" if needed.

None of this would be "weird" to anyone who knew anything about the subject.

"Ignorance always comes with a big mouth."

Too much logic. Too little fury. This won't do around this place!
 
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