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I tried a larger phone and liked it. Fragmentation isn't a good thing and is 3.95-inch the right size for most. I can still see people complaining it is too big or too small.
 
While this only applies to the EU, I don't think its out of the question. Apple loves economies of scale and if they are forced to go micro-usb in the EU, then they will likely go micro-usb on everything so that they can make just one model.

Excellent point, and I think you are probably correct.

Thanks. =)
It's not completely forced. I think Apple was backing the plans for a standard charger and pledged to changed.
And yes, it is just for the EU, but I doubt Apple would make 2 phones with different charging ports. Not only for economies of scale, but also for convenience, they are likely to implement it globally.

*Point thrown out*
 
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That mini connector is a game breaker for me. Seems pointless to invalidate the ten or so cables I have (car, truck, RV, 1 per room, recharching dock/alarm clock, etc). What would be the point of this?

No kidding, I was just thinking about that the other day.
With multiple charging stations all around my house, sounddocks, my car iphone/ipod dock, this will make everything useless, and make me mad
 
Why not 1138x640? It would be true 16:9 aspect ratio?! Ridiculous rumor...

Yes, 1136 doesn't seem to mean anything. At least 1138 gives a common ratio.

3.95" also seems an odd number. That resolution at 4" would still be well above retina.

I am not saying it shouldn't be 1138 but isn't this nitpicking.

1138 / 16 = 71.125
1136 / 16 = 71
640 / 9 = 71.11111

And it's only 2 Pixel difference, they are so small you won't even see them.


I would prefer the new iPhone to be wider and have the same aspect ratio than a taller iPhone.
 
I love reading all the hating posts knowing those are going to be the same people in line to get the new phone! I don't think Apple is going to release something that is completely horrible. They put a lot of time and effort into their products and normally makes something that everyone loves! :D
 
Their not going to preview the phone at wwdc if it's coming out in the fall. The wwdc is about macs this year I believe, and if anything they might preview iOS 6

Actually WWDC is about software. So yes they will preview iOS 6 just as they will give more detail about Mountain Lion and now the two will work together.

And they will discuss at least some part of the new iPhone hardware because those parts will be leaked by the iOS 6 betas they need to give to the developers so that apps will be ready for the new software at launch or very very shortly after. if the screen size is changing that will be one of those details. After all, even with Steve dead and cold in his grave, Apple doesn't like other folks announcing their stuff before them. So they will give up these details at WWDC rather than let some blogger get page hits off of digging it out of the previews
 
They are quite different in size and you could do something in between...but they shouldn't. I thought that they would be using micro-USB. They signed on for standard chargers, so why not implement it.

Because Micro-USB is less capable than the 30-pin iPod connector (A USB to HDMI adaptor for example would not be feasible), which also has a large number of accessories on the market and has become 'for want of a better word' fairly standardised unlike many of the proprietary connectors that exist.
The only way a new port would go down well with hardware manufacturers is a noticeable benefit, eg. Size, Thunderbolt, Magnetism and some sort of promise that there won't be a brand new connector on next year's device.
 
Landscape viewing of text and movies will be better but it feels forced as a design choice.

Perhaps, but it's a smart choice - by not altering the width, the majority of apps will "just work" at the new dimensions because they've already been developed with variable screen height in mind.

The iOS Simulator has always had a "Toggle in-call status bar" option to simulate the screen height changing dynamically. If your app works properly with this option, then it most likely will already work properly with a taller screen.

On the other hand, if you changed the screen width, then a lot of software would either have to be vertically "letterboxed", or modified to work correctly with variable screen widths.
 
Err, it is their job, so we should stop technical improvements to make app developers job easier? How about we don't ask for new model of cars as it will make the mechanic's job easier. It is the developer's responsibility to respond to Apple's design not the other way around,

Don't forget develop for a new format could also be fun.

Agreed...While apple may consider the developer when designing a new product, they are not going to hold back on advancements in technology to make like easier on the dev. It is up the dev to respond to the changing technology. With that logic we will have the same screen, resolution, and aspect ratio from now til eternity.

I think the main problem with having the aspect ratio change now is that Apple still has not released a method for delivering device/resolution specific application bundles. Adding more aspect ratios would cause application bundles to continually grow unnecessarily in size. While a small shift may not change that many applications, there are quite a few I can imagine which would have to add more graphic variations.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but this actually doesn't really break many apps. My Facebook app sometimes stuffs up and the status bar on top disappears. The Facebook app just scales up vertically showing more content. I'm sure its all done automatically with the width still at 640. Twitter, Instagram, and scrolling apps will just scale. Games will be letter boxed but I'm sure developers just need to change their code and it should be fine.

This is only if the developers have programmed their applications correctly.
 
Extra screen real estate is the perfect place for iAds. Maybe an iAd enable phone would allow Apple to sell these unlocked at the subsidized price direct to consumers? Kind of like Kindle??

Carriers would drop a brick over that idea. They want the only subsidy to come from them so they can lock folks into contracts. That's also why there are no other discounts on the phones including education, employee etc, even if you are buying it at the full price.
 
thought - Ios could set up apps to use a black frame - like SD res. on a wide screen TV. That'd lets "old" apps work without everyone freakin' out about needing to update their apps.

The clever thing about only changing the height is that "most" apps (perhaps with the exception of full-screen apps that make assumptions about the screen dimensions) should work at the new height without modification.
 
I'll bet Jony and team build lots of prototypes that never make it to store shelves. Just because one or two of these might be floating around Apple HQ for testing doesn't mean it's what the final device will look like. How do you know if you want something or not, if something will work if you don't build a prototype and test it? :confused:
 
They're just saying that to avoid negative comments about Tim Cook's engineering strategies and talents.

Tim Cook has not now nor never claimed to be a designer or an engineer so no.
That's Jony's job.
Also, saying that Steve had input on this design will boost sales when the phone is released. You can't believe every rumor you hear or every book you read.

Like those books and rumors that claim that the iPhone 4s was Steve's 'last iPhone' and 'last design of an Apple product'.
 
Because Micro-USB is less capable than the 30-pin iPod connector (A USB to HDMI adaptor for example would not be feasible), which also has a large number of accessories on the market and has become 'for want of a better word' fairly standardised unlike many of the proprietary connectors that exist.
The only way a new port would go down well with hardware manufacturers is a noticeable benefit, eg. Size, Thunderbolt, Magnetism and some sort of promise that there won't be a brand new connector on next year's device.

I agree that the 30-pin connector is more capable then the Micro-USB, but that's not what my post was about. I was saying, if they are changing it, then why are they making a new type? Either keep the same old port, or change it to either Mini or Micro USB. Don't make a new type.
 
I thing it is a bad move to change resolution :confused:. It will complicate developer's life

Not significantly. Changing the height only makes it very easy to deal with for most apps. In fact, because of the way Cocoa Touch is designed, many existing apps should "just work" at the new height.

Changing the width, on the other hand, would be significantly more complicated.
 
Changing the Aspect Ratio is STUPID

No surprise. This is what Gruber has been saying he has heard as well. If they increase the screen size, this is how they will do it.

This is just what Gruber made up not what Apple is doing. No one at Apple that actually know what is going on is talking, and those sources people talk to get their info from reading the blogs which just make up stuff. Look at what happened last year, everybody was sure the new iPhone was going to be a teardrop case with a 4" screen, and it never happened. All the sources were wrong.

The next iPhone design would have already been finalized by now and parts manufactures are already tooling up and production of the parts will start soon or they will never get it out the door by October. They may be testing different screen sizes but they will not change the aspect ratio and stuff they are still testing now will not be produced this year.

It would be stupid to change the aspect ratio and not increase the screen width. All it would do is create backwards comparability issues with new apps being developed for the extra height that would not work on older phones without side boxing which actually makes the screen width even narrower on older phones for those newer apps. And all existing apps would have to be boxed top and bottom until rewritten. It makes no sense at all, there is no advantage except a marketing blurb to say it has a larger screen, without really being larger and Apple does not work that way.
 
I'll bet Jony and team build lots of prototypes that never make it to store shelves. Just because one or two of these might be floating around Apple HQ for testing doesn't mean it's what the final device will look like. How do you know if you want something or not, if something will work if you don't build a prototype and test it? :confused:


I'm sure they do build a lot of prototypes, but most probably never make it out of the lab. Anything that gets even to the apple campus is probably pretty late-stage.
 
It would be stupid to change the aspect ratio and not increase the screen width. All it would do is create backwards comparability issues with new apps being developed for the extra height that would not work on older phones without side boxing which actually makes the screen width even narrower on older phones for those newer apps.

Wrong. It's easy to develop apps that work at different heights. Unless the developer has done something silly, then most apps will already work at variable heights.

If the screen width was changed, then things would be much more complicated for developers.
 
I said Apple's charger meets EU standards. The adapter is optional and not required by the MoU.

But, it doesn't. I just said that.
"The common chargers will be based around micro-USB technology and could see the end of proprietary power ports on handsets."(From the BBC link)
The EU require either
1. For you to have a micro-USB port, and, naturally a Micro-USB charger.
2. To provide an adapter so people can use standard chargers to charge the phone.

I'm confused by your replies. So if you're saying the adapter is optional and the charger meets the standards, then what are you saying the EU requires?

The whole point is a universal charger.

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A resolution of 1152x640 or 1280x960 resolution makes a LOT more sense

If they were going to increase the resolution and make things harder for developers, why not double it to 1280x960 so that you could watch 720p videos on the screen without any scaling?

Even a resolution of 1152x640 or even 1138x640 makes a LOT more sense than a resolution of 1136x640.

At 1152x640, it would be exactly 1.2 bigger and would have room for exactly one additional row.

At 1152x640, apps built for the older 960x640 resolution would take up the upper 5/6th of the screen while the home dock continues to display at all times taking up the bottom 1/6th of the screen.

At 1138x640, you get an exact 16:9 ratio.

Honestly, they could've easily just stuck with a 960x640 resolution screen but at 4-4.5 inches. It would still be a high enough pixel density to qualify as "retina."

But what they are doing now...

A very slight increase in resolution
A very modest increase in screen size
A resolution that doesn't make any sense (not 16:9, and not enough room for one additional row)
A pain in the ass for developers by introducing a new resolution

is the worst of all possible options.

If you're going to introduce a new resolution, make it count, and go with a 1280x720 or 1280x960 resolution on 4-5 inch screen. At the very least, use a resolution that makes sense.
 
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