So it's just an engineering / technical discussion? As a consumer I would say it is entirely relevant - they are all messaging services - "how they operate" seems irrelevant to me, as long as it just works.
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Apple to Adopt RCS Messaging Standard for Better Interoperability With Android Devices
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Features that were available to only iOS users are now being made available to Android users. That's an attempt at breaking the ecosystem. This is NOT positive for Apple in any way. It's a negative as now people have LESS incentive to buy an iPhone if they can get similar features via Android.
The Apple ecosystem is the main reason why I am an Apple user. I know that the App Store is safe because Apple has a thorough review process and I don't want side loading. Another bullsh*t EU goal.
Android users can have your own ecosystem - I just don't care.
This was a horrible move by Tim Cook.
Apple can choose to adopt whatever extension Google has added to the Universal Profile. All 3 major mobile carriers in the US use this already. How many times does that need to be pointed out? The universal profile might not have E2EE but it doesn't mean you can't add it.
Apple has deliberately chosen not to work with Google and use Google's E2EE extension.
Google's E2EE is not "proprietary", they are using opensource signal protocol and nothing stops Apple from working with google who has been trying to get them to adopt RCS.
Did they, though? As far as I knew, RCS messages sent from Google Messages to other carriers’ RCS stacks weren’t encrypted. But Apple is pushing for encryption as part of the standard, per links shared by other users. So they won’t be using Google’s encryption extension.
But they could then claim that message is supporting a "modern, open" standard so there's no need for regulation.
So I am glad you agree that e2ee is just a marketing term and does not provide any security outside of protecting against an ISP from reading the data. Google, Apple, NSA, FBI, CIA, Microsoft, etc. can all read your messages. What difference does it make that ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc. can also read your messages.
Yep this doesn't need to be held for a major revision. It isn't like Apple would spend time on the keynote talking about it anyway.
No they're not. Android users have had these features for years. The only thing unique to iOS was Apple's proprietary implementation of those features. The only thing that this "breaks" is Apple's absurd limitations restricting their own customers from using these features with the rest of the world.
I fully expect carriers to start charging outrageous fees per message for RCS
They openly stated that they're implementing the standard Universal profile for RCS. That means no encryption. Google had to add e2e encryption as an extension to RCS because it wasn't part of the UP.
Good question. It probably won’t be supported on Macs/iPads unless you have an iPhone associated with the same Apple ID (similar to how SMS works). While Macs and iPads could send them over WiFi, RCS still seems to require telephone numbers as identifiers, which would rule out non-telephone devices. (Incidentally, I understand that Google Messages still has poor multi-device support, so that would be one perk of Apple RCS.)
I'm not agreeing with you and I said no such thing. I said you have asked a question where whatever answer i provide you will not satisfy you. Anyone motivated enough will get access to your data if they really want to, its software and software can be broken, it does not mean it is easy. Google and Apple have said they don't have the encryption key so they cannot be compelled to decrypt your encrypted texts. Whether you choose to believe them, thats between you and any corporation isnst it?
Nope. That's not what's happening.
Why do you care what phone other people have?
The App Store has plenty of scammy, untrustworthy apps and a notoriously inconsistent review process, but this also has nothing to do with RCS, so I'm not sure why you bring this up here.
And they still will. You can continue to not care to your heart's content.
Nah, this is one of the better moves by Apple in a long time regarding messaging. Interoperability is best for all users, included those of us on Apple devices.
In particular, it looks like Apple is pushing for an encryption standard to be added to Universal Profile.
Most of the rest of the world uses whatsapp or wechat so both RCS and iMessage are corner case messaging solutions.
Google might still see the metadata. All they do either has the goal of showing ads or collecting data to show ads elsewhere. I do not want Google to know who my contacts are.
As I've very clearly stated - I don't care what Android does in it's own ecosystem. I don't care what phone people use in general. I don't think a company should be forced to adopt RCS if they already have a better product for their own user base. Today it's iMessage. Next, it'll be FaceTime. This will never end. The EU will keep wanting more. They need to be stopped.
As another example, WhatsApp exists to communicate with people across platforms. There are no feature restrictions.
This was absolutely unnecessary for the majority of iOS users but extremely important for Google as their own ecosystem barely exists and is quite pathetic TBH.
It’s almost like Apple was exposing all their users to the security risks of sms just to snub android 🤔
Yea green would be a bad choice becaus, as I'm shore you know, green means ( at keast currently) this message might cost money to reply to, so I would say ( unless rcs is be a billed service) that green is not the colour to pick some kind of lighter blue maybe, or just blue if rcs will be free
Communicating with "people" is frustrating regardless of their phone. Especially people of the opposite sex (not assuming any gender).
Because of another EU market directive, of course! 😇
So you know why, but you still feel the need to cast doubt on whether government regulation can really work in the interest of customers?! This is not the first time that MacRumors plays clueless. They also pretended to have no idea, why Apple switched to USB-C? 🤷
I read this as the death of WhatsApp and Google won't have fun with this open standard either, as everyone can fork Android and get a compatible messaging app for free. Just as the EU wanted, more competition in digital markets. No reliance on one company or another for simple text communication. Good so!