Apple to Begin Advertising Push Targeting Windows 7 Launch?

[cumanzor]

Better yet, you get the entire tech press raving about Windows 7 simply because it doesn't completely suck like Vista. Put out a bad enough product (Vista) and people will lap up its replacement with gusto. The mindblowing amount of Windows 7 hype would be a fraction of what it is if Vista hadn't been such a royal turd.

Funny how a company can gain such rabid praise by simply fixing their own sloppy work. I wish my boss were like that...

Windows 7 is not a revolution by any means. But it isn't just a replacement as you are putting it. Things are actually improved from the last good (imo) Windows release (XP). People all around are perfectly happy and able to bash MS for whatever reason, the fact that they are excited and have nothing but good opinions about W7 means something: it is actually a great OS.

Yep, and there's nothing but polite objectivity from the WinBots, as these Engadget comments on an Apple-related story today can attest:

Unfortunately my friend it goes both ways. Just look at some comments posted in here or AppleInsider or every single MS related article on every tech site, or on youtube. Both sides are full of retarded arguments. I don't care. What pisses me off is the amount of misinformation you see from both sides.

 

[J53119]

So Mac has what, 8.8% of the market? So if you are some loser that has time to write viruses, what OS are you going to write them for?

If someone wrote a virus for Mac, how much could they get away with by the user entering their admin password?

I use PCs everyday and a Mac at home and a PC at home, and I never get viruses because I'm not stupid enough to click on popup ads, etc.

 

[Wakashizuma]

all I hear is, gamers, business, enterprise, gamers, gamers...

let's talk musicians, directors, djs, bands, photographers, actors, producers, composers, film editors, graphic designers, web designers...

LOL
So Adobe, Avid, Steinberg, AutoDesk, Cakewalk, Corel and all the companies who make professional apps dont release anything on Windows!

If designers by your definition is some fat tight shirt wearing hipster drinking latte at starbucks all day long, then yes Apple tends to be their choice. If Professionals are people using pro apps day in and day out then Windows have a far more larger marketshare than Macs will ever have and some of the software (like Autocad) dont even exist on mac platform!

PS: It's pretty amusing that Windows version of Photoshop is superior to the mac version with full support for 64bit computing! I remember Phil Schiller getting excited on the stage to show Photoshop benchrmaks and saying PowerPC will doom Intel!

 

[Reality4711]

A Simple User (not stupid!)

Hi all.
I have read this thread from start to this point - sad?
My take on it is fairly simple.
When comparing OS/hardware, whatever we as a group of interested users seem to base most of our comments either on personal disasters/success or on the reports of disasters.
Do you see the difference.
Of course you do.

The millions of people who use one or either or all of the Os's don't have a problem.

For whatever reason they get on with their lives without resorting to the kind of nit picking, over analysis of the minorities computer problems.

Ferrari or Ford?

Both have a place and both succeed remarkably well!

I use Macs. I did use PC's. I prefer Macs. Obvious really isn't it. Thats why I changed..No fuss no argument just a simple choice.

If you swing the other way , good luck and a happy day!

Jeeeeez!

 

[OllyW]

So Mac has what, 8.8% of the market? So if you are some loser that has time to write viruses, what OS are you going to write them for?

No, they have only got 3.5%.

I think writing a virus that infects OS X is probably the ultimate goal for the virus writing community at the moment because of the notoriety they would get from being first there.

It just seems that it's not easy to create that first OS X virus.

 

[LagunaSol]

If designers by your definition is some fat tight shirt wearing hipster drinking latte at starbucks all day long, then yes Apple tends to be their choice.

"WinBots Assemble! Unleash the idiotic stereotypes for lack of rational argument!"

Yet Mac users are called smug. Ah the irony.

 

[twoodcc]

well let's hope then that they lower the prices of iMacs and mac minis

 

[kate-willbury]

all I hear is, gamers, business, enterprise, gamers, gamers...

let's talk musicians, directors, djs, bands, photographers, actors, producers, composers, film editors, graphic designers, web designers...

lol is this a joke? photoshop in 64-bit on my pc easily SMOKES photoshop 32-bit on mac. mac doesnt even have 64-bit photoshop yet. lol.

i'm just gonna assume you're not going to return to this thread because you've been owned and are off to patrol to some other thread where you can blab about your uneducated win vs mac rants.

 

[cumanzor]

"WinBots Assemble! Unleash the idiotic stereotypes for lack of rational argument!"

Yet Mac users are called smug. Ah the irony.

It's not ironic. As I said maybe two posts above, both sides have retarded arguments and ideas.

 

[DDave]

New Mac Mini please. Thanks.

Agreed new mini, more powerful, better stronger etc.....

 

[inlovewithi]

Yep, and there's nothing but polite objectivity from the WinBots, as these Engadget comments on an Apple-related story today can attest ...

I'm referring to the Mac people who just repeat every exaggeration that the commercial makes. That makes then sheep's. It's what I consider sheep, who act like their **** doesn't stink. I'm not talking about simple calling of names, I'm talking about the whole attitude.

 

[Wakashizuma]

"WinBots Assemble! Unleash the idiotic stereotypes for lack of rational argument!"

Yet Mac users are called smug. Ah the irony.

What goes around comes around. Non Mac users are often portrayed as helpless ignorant masses who dont have enough enough intelligene to choose a Mac. For mac users (and I mean the iFanboy ones), they just feel superior to others because they happen to use another OS! If that's not silly, then I dont know what is

And before you take on my post, you should question the validity of the original poster who is arguing that somehow professional users are always found on Macs and never PC. The professional market on Windows is way more larger than the mac market and when it comes to research, Macs are almost non existent.

 

[mcaruso95]

Exactly!

And that's why Apple will not take over the Windows world any time soon. It's been said MANY times: games are what sells the hardware. Period.

Do people buy gaming consoles for the console itself, or the games it can/will run?

If games were simultaneously released on both OS platforms every time, then Windows PCs sales would plummet. The whole argument of which OS is better/easier/safer/etc. means very little. Hardware (and OS) sells because of the games it runs.

I get that some of you couldn't care less about gaming. Fine. But it doesn't change the above fact.

Funny, I don't play any games at work where we use Solidworks and our Windows based Quality and Manufacturing management software. Business is built on Windows.
I love my Mac at home, but know there is little use for a Mac at my business because of the software we use and have been using for years.

 

[RazHyena]

The PC virus thing is really the oldest joke in the book. I do appreciate that Macs aren't susceptible to viruses but can't they come up with something new?

They'd be better off explaining what the mac is CAPABLE of instead of droning on with the "ZOMG SCARY VIRUSES!!1" routine. People know the macs are less susceptible to viruses, but WHAT CAN THEY DO? <-- question I hear a lot from coworkers/classmates.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Funny, I don't play any games at work where we use Solidworks and our Windows based Quality and Manufacturing management software. Business is built on Windows.
I love my Mac at home, but know there is little use for a Mac at my business because of the software we use and have been using for years.

With a backbone of Unix...

Oh Snap!!!

...

The lock-in of businesses is only perceived. Business IT is like being placed in a room and being made to look at a picture of a forest, Yet behind that picture is a a door that leads into the middle of a tropical paradise. Microsoft will do anything to make you believe that the Picture is the only option.

 

[daveporter]

Funny, I don't play any games at work where we use Solidworks and our Windows based Quality and Manufacturing management software. Business is built on Windows.
I love my Mac at home, but know there is little use for a Mac at my business because of the software we use and have been using for years.

I am a civil/environmental engineer. We use Solidworks and AutoDesk engineering software here on our Macs via VMware Fusion and run everything else (spreadsheets, word processing, presentation software, etc.) with Mac software. This works out really well for us. In fact, a number of the firms that team with us on projects have also switched a number of their PCs to Mac as a result of watching what we are doing. In most cases, a Mac (with VMware to run PC only software), is an ideal solution.

 

[Fastshutter]

What's I think is missing here (and I've read all the posts) is what MS was actually able to pull off with the entire Vista-to-Win7 fiasco.

First, they put out a junky OS, then they "fix" it and guess what? You get to pay for that priviledge!!!! And it's not a $29 (or $49 for 5 licenses) upgrade as was SL, it's a $199 upgrade on Amazon as of yesterday for Win7 Pro.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Microsoft fixed Vista with Vista Service Pack 1, which was free. Vista to Win7 is just as much as an upgrade as Tiger to Leopard was.

And then, they get even trickier with their OEM partners. For about a year or more now, if you want to buy a PC from say Dell for your business and you want XP on it, you get the wonderful option to pay a $100 downgrade fee!! Just to keep Vista off of your PCs. Lovely.

That was not done by MS. The OEM's were using an oversigt in the EULA that allowed a downgrade from Vista, and then charged users for the right. I'd like to see a citation backing up your position of this behavior.

If Apple did any of this stuff, can you imagine the outcry?

Apple does this stuff all the time, the outcry is completely relative to the sites you visit.

And no, I don't believe Win7 to be any better than XP frankly. I'm using the Released to Manufacture version and have been for a while now. It's Vista. That's all it is. Vista finally fixed.

That's pretty ignorant.

I run IT in our enterprise, funny, our top execs and myself are on Macs, many, many of our employees are buying them at home. I hear no talk about Win7 at all. Funny that.

I feel sorry for your company. The job responsibilities of top execs are hardly a reflection of the PC requirements of the companies' employees.

 

[3D0G]

And before you take on my post, you should question the validity of the original poster who is arguing that somehow professional users are always found on Macs and never PC.

Actually, I don't think the original poster was arguing that at all. I think he was just remarking about how the OS debate sometimes (like early in this thread) gets dominated by posts about which is better for gamers or businesses, neglecting the fact that many, many Macs are used for neither of those but rather for creative purposes. He didn't explicitly say that PCs are never used in creative disciplines. It almost seems that you were looking for an argument where none was intended...

 

[BongoBanger]

The lock-in of businesses is only perceived. Business IT is like being placed in a room and being made to look at a picture of a forest, Yet behind that picture is a a door that leads into the middle of a tropical paradise. Microsoft will do anything to make you believe that the Picture is the only option.

Were that only true. Unfortunately it isn't.

 

[Fastshutter]

With a backbone of Unix...

Oh Snap!!!

...

The lock-in of businesses is only perceived. Business IT is like being placed in a room and being made to look at a picture of a forest, Yet behind that picture is a a door that leads into the middle of a tropical paradise. Microsoft will do anything to make you believe that the Picture is the only option.

What are the Mac equivalents for:

Visio?
Sharepoint?
Project?

Are those equvalents from a single software organization, or are they piecemeal? Do they work with the industry standard apps like Word, Excel, Power Point, etc?

What is the equvalent for enterprise incident software? Heat? Front Range Solutions? CRM? Do any of those work on OSX?

Vendor lock-in is far beyond a perception. If you want to make a product and sell it to large enterprises, you'll make it for Windows.

 

[LagunaSol]

I'm not talking about simple calling of names, I'm talking about the whole attitude.

Oh, I see, calling people names for their choice of computing platform isn't smug and obnoxious but talking about the merits of your choice of computing platform is.

 

[Wakashizuma]

What are the Mac equivalents for:

Visio?
Sharepoint?
Project?

Are those equvalents from a single software organization, or are they piecemeal? Do they work with the industry standard apps like Word, Excel, Power Point, etc?

What is the equvalent for enterprise incident software? Heat? Front Range Solutions? CRM? Do any of those work on OSX?

Vendor lock-in is far beyond a perception. If you want to make a product and sell it to large enterprises, you'll make it for Windows.

You dont need these products to be productive

1) First of all, Mac has a "fluid" and "natural" interface that instantly makes every human being 10X more productive on average

2) Visio? Who needs that. On Mac OSX Snow Leopard, you can directly upload your movies to youtube via quicktime. Cant say the same for windows where you need to click more. We dont need Visio office stuff anymore. A refreshing Quicktime X will change everything

3) Sharepoint? It's pointless. Did you know that iChat has different backgrounds? That alone is enough for communication. Sharepoint doesnt hold a candle to that

4)Project? It's another virus ridden product. Macs are 25X more stable that Windows. That alone is enough

A lot of companies are dumping Windows and migrating to Mac and iPhone for business. In 3 years, Microsoft is dead!

 

[HLdan]

I just installed Windows 7 on a 6 year old "Surplus Trash" Dell. Works like a champ!

Can't say the same for the G4 Mac Mini--Apple doesn't support that "Premium" hardware anymore. Go figure.

Yeah, as long as you don't start it up, if that's possible.

I just love how you PC people use SL as the only OS from Apple that can run on legacy hardware. Leopard goes back much further than Vista, but you forgot to mention that huh? Also I was referring to viruses that are REAL about Windows machines, you can't combat that argument. Ha ha.

 

[locust76]

You dont need these products to be productive

1) First of all, Mac has a "fluid" and "natural" interface that instantly makes every human being 10X more productive on average

2) Visio? Who needs that. On Mac OSX Snow Leopard, you can directly upload your movies to youtube via quicktime. Cant say the same for windows where you need to click more. We dont need Visio office stuff anymore. A refreshing Quicktime X will change everything

1) 10x huh? Impressive. Cite?

2) you have no clue what Visio is, do you?

 

[Wakashizuma]

1) 10x huh? Impressive. Cite?

2) you have no clue what Visio is, do you?

1) It is widely documented throughout the industry. It's just not possible to think different on a PC because of all the viruses and the constant blue screen of death every 15min! Go watch podcasts. Do you see any of those podcasters use PC? Editor of engadget all have macs. Gizmodo uses macs! Macs are taking over the industry in the next three years. In 3 years, HP, Dell, Toshiba and Acer will become irrelevant and everybody will switch to macs. We are on the course of a very positive cultural revolution!


2) Again who needs visio when you have quicktime X?