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Well, let's be honest. People on these boards can appreciate the technology behind 3D touch, the A9 chip, and camera, but the masses really don't care. I can't think of a single person that was like "oooh, I need 3D touch." The masses need something more flashy and tangible. Though, that is just my opinion.

3D touch, the A9, and the camera add to the experience, but they don't substantially improve/change it like a larger screen or a new design. I anticipated lackluster response, but what do I know.

I don't think the technology was that compelling this time either. 3D Touch is cool, but it isn't transformative. Look at how many people never use right/control-click on their computers. The A9 chip? Faster and better sure, but does it so dramatically improve device performance that it becomes a "must have"? No. Better camera, sure, but the previous one was "good enough."

I'm still using a 5s. My first iPhone was the original. I upgraded from the original to the 4 and from the 4 to the 5s. Sure, each skipped model offered some compelling features, but in the end I didn't find any of them so compelling that I needed to upgrade. And I think one could fairly argue that the 4s and the 5, for example, offered many more compelling new features over the previous model than the 6s does over the 6.

There's a small contingent of people who always need the newest device, just because. But for "the masses", I think most people upgrade for practical reasons, things like the battery not holding a long enough charge or the latest iOS rendering the device too sluggish. Or a broken screen. All of my friends and business colleagues have iPhones. I only know one person who upgrades annually. The rest just wait until something pushes them to upgrade.

I think Apple would benefit from slowing down the iPhone release schedule. Skip the S models altogether and release a new flagship every 18-24 months. There would be more excitement around each release and the new features would be more compelling. The S model is little more than a minor upgrade of the previous model, yet analysts and journalists, etc. all expect it to perform like a non-S model release.
 
The hell I went through in November trying to get the 6s would let me say something is not right. They could not even keep the 6s and 6s Plus in stock. I had to order online and make a reservation just to get it and if I did not show up on time, I would loose it. Apple realizes though the iPhone has reached good enough. The next iPhone will be a major test of resilience, but my brother just bought an iPhone 5 and seems extremely happy with it.
 
I think bringing Forstall back would be a great idea, but would he want to go back?

I also think Cook needs to go asap, I don't deny hes clever, but he hasn't got the vision or direction to take Apple any further.

Cook has no clue what customers want. He's a boring guy who delights in boring things. Can you imagine Steve saying one more thing and introducing a payment method? That's the dumb stuff that delights Cook. He just doesn't get it.

Doubt Forstall would work for Cook. If it either/or that should be a quick decision.
 
It's just too pricey, I can easily afford to buy an iPhone 6S but I won't because over the years buying a new iPhone got more and more expensive.
€750 for a 16 Gb 6S is just too much.

Agreed, when you are paying more for your phone than you do for your computer, something is wrong with the pricing. You can currently by a Macbook Air 11" for LESS than a 128 GB iPhone 6s plus.
 
Maybe Apple had better availability at launch with the 6S than they had in the past? Maybe less of an on demand inventory and more of a stockpile? Just a thought. We'll know for sure how the 6S is doing when sales numbers are released.
 
I'm still using an iPhone 6 Plus, but (for those using a 6S) was Force Touch and a better camera vast improvements for you to have upgraded? And how's the extra RAM helping you?

Tremendously. The extra RAM really helps with all the freezing. And 3Dtouch, as much as it sounds like a gimmick, has been a joy to use. Camera is not that much different though.
 
I'm still using an iPhone 6 Plus, but (for those using a 6S) was Force Touch and a better camera vast improvements for you to have upgraded? And how's the extra RAM helping you?

It's wicked fast, so maybe the RAM is helping that much. The camera is gorgeous according to my friends who already have the iPhone 6. And the 3D Touch is…. well, it takes time getting used to. Some people will adjust themselves and adopt it quickly, others might consider it a gimmick for some time to come. But even if you never like 3D Touch, it doesn't get in the way of anything else. 3D Touch does not "accidentally" get in your way, since the amount of pressure needed to activate it is an intentional and purposeful amount required.

My 6s is a speed demon compared to my previous 5s which was almost as fast as my friend's iPhone 6. Using 3D Touch with my Shazam app is great and I hope more apps get it. The feature probably won't rock your world, but you can't deny the convenience with some apps. Some people saying it's a gimmick are probably some of the same people who will be praising it when they get their iPhone 7/7+. Camera seems to be better, but I need to use it more to come to a better conclusion on that. Basically, the 6s/6s+ is what the 6/6+ should've been, at least when it comes to performance.
 
The hell I went through in November trying to get the 6s would let me say something is not right. They could not even keep the 6s and 6s Plus in stock. I had to order online and make a reservation just to get it and if I did not show up on time, I would loose it. Apple realizes though the iPhone has reached good enough. The next iPhone will be a major test of resilience, but my brother just bought an iPhone 5 and seems extremely happy with it.

Yeah, I agree that iPhone 7/7+ sales will be the real test for Apple in a mature, enough tech for the average person, post-contract world. Just for the record, most of us here probably don't qualify as average.
 
Exactly. An iPhone on VZW is $27 a MONTH. An equivalent Android phone is $18 cheaper (the S6). PER MONTH. That's real savings, every month, for 2 years. No longer are the Samsung and the iPhone the same price. You can get a Note 5 for less money than you can an iPhone 6S 16GB. If this story is true, then I'd say this is the reason why.

The Galaxy S6 is roughly $20 a month on Verizon... and the iPhone 6 is roughly $27 a month.

If that extra $7 a month is a problem... I'm not sure how you can afford the $80+ a month it requires for either phone.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "equivalent" since they each run different operating systems.

And the reason the Galaxy and the iPhone are no longer the same price is that Samsung has slashed prices.

Verizon says the Galaxy S6 has a retail price of $476 today. That's quite a reduction from when the Galaxy S6 first came out.

People say Android phones don't hold their value. Well... the value has dropped before they even get sold! :D
 
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That's one massive cut in product! Will be vveeerrryyyyy interesting to see how big investors react, they already see Apple as a one trick pony, and if it can't sell that one trick they won't be very impressed.

Funny because I can say the same about Google and Samsung.

Despite all the hypes about Google's moonshot projects, it is an Ad company which has seen its ad market share declining over the years.

Despite the diversified portfolio Samsung's majority of profit has come from smartphone business, which hasn't worked out exactly well in the past 2 years.

Despite what (Android) fanboys want to think, Apple's other ventures like Mac and iTunes app store ecosystem are also driving a lot of revenue. The iPhone just happens to make a lot of money for Apple. Assuming the iPhone business declines consistently in the next 5 years it will still make more money than Samsung who is its biggest competitor.

But hey Apple is doomed if that's what will make people feel better about themselves.
 
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Funny because I can say the same about Google and Samsung.

Despite all the hypes about Google's moonshot projects, it is an Ad company which has seen its ad market share declining over the years.

Despite the diversified portfolio Samsung's majority of profit has come from smartphone business, which hasn't worked out exactly well in the past 2 years.

Despite what (Android) fanboys want to think, Apple's other ventures like Mac and iTunes app store ecosystem are also driving a lot of revenue. The iPhone just happens to make a lot of money for Apple. Assuming the iPhone business declines consistently in the next 5 years it will still make more money than Samsung who is its biggest competitor.

But hey Apple is doomed if that's what will make people feel better about themselves.

Google's revenue mainly comes from Android apps and it's search engine business, and adverts, it is in no way a one trick pony company anymore, Samsung?? hahahaha you mean the global congromalate that makes fridges to giant ships, erm no.
Go and google investors and Apple One Trick Pony, look at the charts Apple themselves release, the majority of Apple's profits come from one product only FACT, and it has just cut that one product by 30% for the quarter, investors will be concerned to say the least.
 
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Google's revenue mainly comes from Android apps and it's search engine business, and adverts, it is in no way a one trick pony company anymore, Samsung?? hahahaha you mean the global congromalate that makes fridges to giant ships, erm no.
Go and google investors and Apple One Trick Pony, look at the charts Apple themselves release,
the majority of Apple's profits come from one product only FACT, and it has just cut that one product by 30% for the quarter, investors will be concerned to say the least.


ok. You're right and I'm wrong. Happy?
 
The 6/6S cameras are what drove me to get a DSLR. The photos look amazing on the screen, but you zoom in at all, any fine detail is lost to noise reduction. I'd rather have snowy details than blotchy smoothness.

The RAM and Touch ID though should be HUGE improvements. My iPad Air 2's ram is incredible. I always have that app anxiety when I leave a game or safari to do something in another app for even a moment on my iPhone 6, which shouldn't' be the case for a premium smartphone. Since Touch ID is how you get into your device, the faster the better.

You might be interested in camera apps that let you save a TIFF file and have more control over the exposure, white balance, tonal curve, and focus, such as the Moment App and 645 Pro. The Moment App also lets you shoot 4k 24p video.
 
I think bringing Forstall back would be a great idea, but would he want to go back?

I also think Cook needs to go asap, I don't deny hes clever, but he hasn't got the vision or direction to take Apple any further.

In fairness to Cook, whom I find very dull, we don't know what Apple is working on. Look at other companies. Are any of them offering something mind-blowing? No. The industry in general has plateaued and we're in the age of evolutionary, not revolutionary, steps forward.

I think Forstall's ouster was a game-changer for Apple. And not for the better. Forstall was the last real techie executive in my opinion. The current executive team is more interested in fashion and marketing and, at least in one case, stroking a massive design ego. I don't sense a true love for, much less understanding of, tech from the current team.

The only way Forstall returns is after Cook runs the company into the ground, is ousted, and Apple looks for a savior. But I don't see any of that happening. I don't think Forstall would ever work under Cook, and I can't see any possible scenario where Cook entices him to return.
 
Tim has gone too far. Apple is now seen as an Elitist Co. Nothing they can do is wrong. They want to decide your Breakfast Cereal for you. This is what happens when you take the "Closed Ecosystem" too far. SJ is face down now. No more rolling in his grave. Forstall's ouster was the beginning of the end. Giving Eddy uncontrolled power was the nail. It's too late. Phil won't save the App Store. I feel bad for Phil. He is the last of the true Apple Team. :apple:
 
Even if this rumor is true, wouldn't it be easily accounted for by anticipated sales of the rumored new 4" iPhone? In which case, that might suggest that the new 4" iPhone will be a more premium product than currently thought.
 
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I'm still using an iPhone 6 Plus, but (for those using a 6S) was Force Touch and a better camera vast improvements for you to have upgraded? And how's the extra RAM helping you?
I suspect if you already have a 6 the improvements this generation aren't enough to get most people to upgrade. For people with older phones (like me, I upgraded from a 5) the 6s is a fantastic phone! Force touch isn't exactly life changing but it's a nice feature that will only get better with time as more apps support it. Most probably wouldn't notice a difference with the rear camera, but the upgraded front facing camera is definitely a noticeable change (for the better). The phone is lightning quick but it's hard to say how much is the A9 and how much is the 2 Gb of RAM. Nonetheless I'm happy that it has twice as much RAM as the last few generations as even if it doesn't make much difference now it will make it more future proof (as a person who tends to keep a phone for up to 3 years that's a good thing). Also, the upgraded aluminum seems to give it a more durable feel and the new Touch ID sensor is basically instantaneous.

The lower sales compared to the 6 have nothing to do with the quality of the 6s and everything to do with the pent up demand for a larger iPhone which led to record sales when the 6 was released. Those record sales will be difficult to beat... Also, I suspect the sales of the 6 & 6 Plus are higher than any previous last generation phone since they continue to be available in higher capacities and most consumers wouldn't know the difference between a 6 and 6s anyway!
 
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