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From what I’ve seen, the iPad OS has now 4 different ways to manage windows. Who is there to say that this is just !NOT! good enough?

At the same time macOS is being given another one? Why? We can't still snap windows to the sides easily ... we need to buy a third party tool for the privilege ...

This is not the design quality we have grown with Apple. They are shooting approaches at users like never before and see what sticks.
 
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I'm really hoping they are keeping the 11" Pro and that they don't strip of any features that the 12.9" will have. So annoying when they do that.
 
From what I’ve seen, the iPad OS has now 4 different ways to manage Windows. Who is there to say that this is just good enough?

At the same time MacOS is giving another one.

This is now design, it shooting clay at users and see if sticks.
In engineering labs it used to be throwing it up to the ceiling to see what sticks. Some labs had an amazing amount still up in the air. :D
 
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Stage manager in iOS 16 is pure trash and I went back to classic full screen apps on my 11" M1 Pro.
I disagree - it works fine on the iPad Pro 11, but is really made for the external display. Its true shortcoming is window placement/resizing. You can’t just move a window to any location or size; it constantly gets snapped back to an arbitrary location and size, in fact stacking the latest touched window over all others even if that wasn’t intended. I’ve been told this is due to the necessity to let users have touch access to move/size windows on the iPad itself, but it only adds confusion on the larger external screen, where it really should work just like MacOS for window placement/resizing.
 
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I'm for waiting to release software until it's ready.

But if the delay is mainly due to stage manager or other headline feature not being ready, couldn't Apple release the rest of iPadOS in September as version 16.0, and announce that Stage Manager or other promised features are coming in 16.1 later this fall?
 
There are people with a bias against working from home and believe everyone just slacks off 24/7 when they WFH. In reality, if people slack they'd be fired. But impossible to convince some of that.
There is very much a bias in this forum against WFH. As an Engineering Manager, I don't care where my team works from as long as they're able to do the job. More over, if the flexibility enables them to work in better ways, why force them into something they don't like?
 
Interesting – every beta (on M1) has been rock solid for me.
Beta may be stable, but stage manager is in no way shape or form polished in its current state. There is A LOT of work that needs to be done to it. It’s kind of a mess. At least on my iPad. Going into the traditional multitasking recent apps view is janky as all hell, and scrolls the view to seemingly random points of the list when invoked. The new window controls barely function, with the add window button not even working at all.

On top of general jankiness, I genuinely believe that iPadOS stage manager needs more time in the oven in terms of concept and user interface. It is not anywhere near as intuitive as on macOS Ventura, due to the Macs established windowing controls being much easier to understand conceptually.

Idk, I personally am not surprised to see this. I think stage manager needs a lot of work before being considered a polished implementation.
 
Maybe it’s because of the new iPad pro which might have some M2 specific features
While the M2 adds ProRes encode and decode engine, you have a bit more energy consumption. So while the performance of the Soc is better, you still have iPadOS limited to stage manager to give it some degree of a better OS.

Useful demo of where we are at with stage manager and beta 4.

 
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I'm for waiting to release software until it's ready.

But if the delay is mainly due to stage manager or other headline feature not being ready, couldn't Apple release the rest of iPadOS in September as version 16.0, and announce that Stage Manager or other promised features are coming in 16.1 later this fall?
How do we know it wasn't always planned for an October release alongside new iPads? They only said Fall in the keynote. Just because it released alongside iOS in past years, doesn't mean it has to.
 
Great news. Now tell us that the next version of macOS will be a bugfix release next fall and then on a two year schedule from now on.
 
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Would you like to go back to paying a subscription fee for it as well?

If it's $29 and Snow Leopard quality every two years. I pay more for subscription apps. Microsoft charges $199 for a 'Pro' license for Windows and it's riddled with ads.

Of course I would rather not, but I would like to see the frenetic pace of software development slow down a little. It's not just Apple. Everyone seems ok with pushing out buggy releases these days. Apple is one of the least bad but there is plenty of room for them to just release some more minor updates between major ones and fix up some of their built-in apps.
 
Surprising since iPadOS 16 is pretty much iPadOS 15. Kind of a weak update.

Weather app though!

Not hating, but after being on the latest beta there really isn’t much to it.
I'm waiting for health app

It's crazy that after all those years we don't have the whole apple suite of apps on all devices ...don't remember what else is missing but health , calculator on ipad (what a joke ) ,CLOCK !
 
If Apple is finally splitting iPadOS away from iOS then release iPadOS when new iPads are announced, not when new iPhones are announced.

iPadOS 16 on my iPad Pro 2020 has been pretty good with just a few annoying bugs - nothing that is a real show stopper. Except Safari. That really needs help. Oh, and Siri. And Shortcuts.
 
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