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I was simply responding to your quote that "AT&T doesn't think people who live in rural areas deserve the latest in technology."

I'm sorry that the last 45 days worth of rural cities that AT&T has provided 3G coverage to doesn't support your quote.

And if you had clicked on the link I left, you'd see that the "list of only a few areas getitng 3G" is a live list. More rural cities are added to it virtually daily.

I get what you're saying. VZW is done with its 3G rollout and has more rural areas covered. But I think you're being pretty silly to say "Because today, AT&T doesn't have as much rural 3G coverage as Verizon, they don't think rural people deserve the latest technology", when the facts are (a) AT&T isn't done with it's 3G rollout and (b) virtually all of the latest cities to get 3G are rural areas.


A very true statement. Just like how rural areas had to wait years and were the last bits of the country to be covered by VZW/Sprint's 3G rollout (which finished years ago), rural areas will again have to wait and be the last bits of the country to be covered by AT&T/T-Moble's 3G rollout (which are both still in progress). SSDD.

It's not only their 3G that is lagging behind in these areas, but their regular coverage for just voice is also way behind. I go to school in North Dakota and I know many people that have iPhones because they work where they are from, but get spotty coverage at best here for just voice.

However you look at it ATT is far behind Verizon when it comes to coverage.
 
So, as a business user if I am on Verizon and I am surfing the web or otherwise using data and a client tries to call me the call will not go through?

See the post above yours. Calls have priority on Verizon over data.

Who cares!?!?!? There are nearing 30 million iPhone users in the US alone.

33 million is the total sales of all models worldwide since 2007. I believe that ATT has about 11 million active iPhone users.

Do you think any of them live in those ridiculous parts of the country? No they don't

The rest of the United States is much bigger than where you live in NJ, and far less populated. When you have an emergency out West, you need coverage no matter if the closest town is hundreds of miles away.

If they were smart they would also be piggy backing off of the FIOS lines they are laying. Does anyone know if AT&T is using fiber for its backend?

Verizon Wireless contracted with Verizon landline services to run fiber to its towers. Yes, they're using both FiOS and the fiber they inherited from buying MCI. Other carriers are also leasing fiber bandwidth from Verizon for their tower backhaul.
 
The accelerating hardware fragmentation of the Android and Windows Mobile markets will be more curse than blessing.

For the upper mid and high end. The floor of the 'smartphone' is being lowered significantly every few months. In a market where the Pixi sells for $20 subsidized (probably free by Spring), the abysmal low-end of the prepaid world has no future. Where will pure 'messaging' phones with QWERTY be in a year or two? Extinct. You can afford to have a million models with high turnaround and short lifecycles if a significant portion of said models are extremely cheap when subsidized on 1-year contracts and/or being marketed with prepaid carriers that offer relatively inexpensive unlimited slow data plans. Why would Google care? They'll put all their apps on every platform with more than 2 users to maximize mindshare. If they do want to have their own hardware, it'd be interesting to see which winner they pick, Motorola or HTC. Motorola wouldn't come out without bruises if they lose.

Mind you, this doesn't touch RIM or Apple one bit. That's the interesting front, IMO. If Palm is truly unhealthy as it seems to be, WebOS may very well end up being the ZunePhone, or the consumer Blackberry.
 
Our iphone guys meet up every day. Second floor east side so they can use their iphones. Come on ATT, need some 850MHz love in this area. I wish they would separate the 3G map into 850MHz and 1900MHz. Inside our building, the 1900 is hurting. Whatever carrier can get 3 bars inside my work on an iphone will get my business the next day. I'm past my 2 year contract and won't renew for about a year. Just hope they at least announce if they are staying with ATT or trying other carriers in addition to ATT.
 
If Palm is truly unhealthy as it seems to be, WebOS may very well end up being the ZunePhone, or the consumer Blackberry.

I won't be surprised at all if Microsoft soon says (internally, of course) "Wow, our stuff really sucks and isn't getting better. We need to buy someone, fast!" (In addition to the already-bought Danger, who rumor says isn't panning out too well for the great acquirers in Redmond.)

Palm seems an easy kill right now. A real bummer, as I've always liked Palm. I'd hate to see them sucked into Microsoft's dark maw.
 
Palm seems an easy kill right now. A real bummer, as I've always liked Palm. I'd hate to see them sucked into Microsoft's dark maw.

I felt bad about Palm until I remembered they're still trying to sell essentially the same device they were in 1996, with a cellphone taped onto it.

Microsoft is on a holy crusade to try not to be marginalized into irrelevance. As shown with Danger, XBox, Bing, Zune, and etc, they'll do and pay absolutely anything to be in every modern mainstream relevant CE/Information market. Either shovel money into the Pink/Danger fire, or buy Palm. Either way they're going to screw their third parties over eventually. Consumers want smartphones with apps, not PDAs with phones taped to them, and the trend is to convergence of devices, not replacement of them.
 
I felt bad about Palm until I remembered they're still trying to sell essentially the same device they were in 1996, with a cellphone taped onto it.

True, and their lame USB spoofing to hop a free ride on the iTunes train doesn't win them many points in my book either.

Jon Rubenstein should know (and do) better.
 
It's not only their 3G that is lagging behind in these areas, but their regular coverage for just voice is also way behind. I go to school in North Dakota and I know many people that have iPhones because they work where they are from, but get spotty coverage at best here for just voice.

However you look at it ATT is far behind Verizon when it comes to coverage.

Well I don't give AT&T much credit because of where they come from. It's an old monopoly from days gone by that was broke up by the government and somehow has pretty much came back together. I think it is downright funny that if you are an Apple fan you are supposed to be an AT&T fan as well. Somehow Steve Jobs has blessed AT&T so we should all just take what they give us and kneel before them. AT&T as a company is about as "un-Apple" as they come.

With that said, AT&T is in the process of attempting to purchase many of the old Alltel properties that Verizon is being forced to divest to keep competition in some of the rural markets. They will get the entire states of North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana and a few other smaller markets. Now considering that Alltel is running an EV-DO Rev. A network AT&T will be forced to change this over which will take time. Second it's hard to believe, but I could see AT&T take a 3G EV-DO network and replace it with a 2G EDGE network. I switched to Verizon and got the Droid until I see what happens with AT&T in my state. I just don't have any confidence in them to serve our market area the way Verizon does. In two years we will see how things are going.
 
AidenShaw's uncanny ability to stick a red-hot needle in every scab of Apple weakness while flippantly dismissing any competitor's weakness as inconsequential is truly impressive.

I'm sure when Dell comes out with a new Windows Mobile phone on a network that does simultaneous voice and data he'll be happily squealing like a pig in slop.

Things that make you go "Hmm..."

Stop being such a gigantic hypocrite. You keep talking as the iPhone was perfect.

quealing like a pig in slop.
Stay classy bro, especially when you are talking about someone.

Wait until you see the new HTC OmniTouchFloProMo 3D Platinum Deluxe, with an 18 megapixel camera! (kdarling can send you a brochure.)

Because the HD2 is such an awful phone..... AMIRITE GUYS!!!???
 
Well I don't give AT&T much credit because of where they come from. It's an old monopoly from days gone by that was broke up by the government and somehow has pretty much came back together. I think it is downright funny that if you are an Apple fan you are supposed to be an AT&T fan as well.


Your facts are a little wobbly. ATT was broken up, but the current ATT is not the former. SBC, a baby bell bought ATT, the former parent & kept the ATT name. Then it bought Bell South, another baby bell, and also a partner in the Cingular venture. When they bought BellSouth Cingular was brought in under the ATT name.

You also neglect to mention that Verizon is a former Baby Bell itself, being the merger of Bell Atlantic, NYNEX and GTE (not a baby bell).
 
Verizon or AT&T

IMHO

I still say if verizon picks up the iPhone, I'll port over with in 5 business days

But if Apples new iPhone due out in the summer or 2010 is worth it I'll upgrade, all this arguing and pointing fingers with networks and devices is just getting ridiculous

And the government wants a switch to shut off the internet.
 
Wait until you see the new HTC OmniTouchFloProMo 3D Platinum Deluxe, with an 18 megapixel camera! (kdarling can send you a brochure.)

Some of us try to keep up with new mobile phones on any carrier. You should try it. Especially if you plan on discussing competing device choices.

Today I'm looking forward to the Samsung Omnia II... not because of the AMOLED screen, but because they're the first phone to implement a truly innovative onscreen keyboard that we first heard of last year:

Swype Keyboard is best idea since sliced bread
 
Some of us try to keep up with new mobile phones on any carrier. You should try it. Especially if you plan on discussing competing device choices.

The software is ultimately all that matters. Seriously.

Today I'm looking forward to the Samsung Omnia II... not because of the AMOLED screen, but because they're the first phone to implement a truly innovative onscreen keyboard that we first heard of last year:

Swype Keyboard is best idea since sliced bread

I've been doing this on my iPhone for what seems like forever now. Yes, Apple should implement this as a system-wide option. No, Samsung isn't showing us anything we haven't seen (or used) before.

And from the article you linked:

"That’s because Verizon (NYSE: VZ)’s Samsung Omnia II will be the first production device to support the innovative Swype typing interface, which Samsung has dubbed “Genius Texting.”"

How can this be when my iPhone (a "production device") supports Swype-type input (ShapeWriter)? Again, Apple should implement this in its OS, but to trumpet this as some kind of Samsung innovation is silly.
 
Classic example of filtering based on expectations and bias. You probably get just as many dropped calls from all callers but no doubt it seems far more significant to you when it's your iPhone-carrying boss... who, by the way, might be calling you more frequently than others and carrying on longer calls than others thus increasing the chances that you'll experience a dropped call from him.

But tell us more. I find this kind of filtering to be weirdly fascinating.

AidenShaw's uncanny ability to stick a red-hot needle in every scab of Apple weakness while flippantly dismissing any competitor's weakness as inconsequential is truly impressive.

I'm sure when Dell comes out with a new Windows Mobile phone on a network that does simultaneous voice and data he'll be happily squealing like a pig in slop.

Things that make you go "Hmm..."

Speaking of classic behaviors of hypocrisy:

The Windows system didn't come with an "Apple tax", so the user probably paid $500 (or more) less for hardware. ;)

However, the virtue of paying more for simplicity and convenience is easily justified, when it aligns with his own agenda:

Drobo Elite also announced today - 8 drives (16 TB today), with iSCSI over dual GbE.

Drobo isn't cheap, but now with eSATA/iSCSI it's interesting for a simple (as in simple enough for your grandmother to use a RAID drive) reliable file store. You're paying for the fool-proof simplicity.

Weirdly fascinating, indeed.
 
Weirdly fascinating, indeed.

Some people own no mirrors. (Possibly because Microsoft or Dell don't offer them?)

Sidenote: this may be the first time I actually agree with AidenShaw *shudder* - I'd really like a Drobo. *head explodes*
 
How can this be when my iPhone (a "production device") supports Swype-type input (ShapeWriter)? Again, Apple should implement this in its OS, but to trumpet this as some kind of Samsung innovation is silly.

As you said, you're talking about a standalone iPhone app, not a global keyboard replacement. Nowhere near the same thing.

I didn't see anyone "trumpeting" it as a Samsung innovation, but rather applauding that they have implemented it in a mass production phone.
 
I didn't see anyone "trumpeting" it as a Samsung innovation, but rather applauding that they have implemented it in a mass production phone.

From the article:

"Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional might not be enough to get you to buy the Omnia II, but Swype’s new keyboard sure makes a strong case for putting an Omnia II in your pocket."

Read: "the OS sucks, but the keyboard entry scheme is pretty cool." I'm sure they'll sell billions. ;)

Sidenote: I really do like the concept of Swype or shapewriting (and as I mentioned I'd love to see it as a systemwide option on the iPhone), but the demo video in that article was disingenuous. Could they have found a slower iPhone typist? :( I could have easily typed that message on the iPhone in the same amount of time as the Swyper.
 
Some people own no mirrors. (Possibly because Microsoft or Dell don't offer them?)

I highly doubt a mirror would change anything here, as he likely wouldn't know where to look.

It just so happens that both Microsoft and Dell do offer mirrors, albeit in the form of tin-foil:

Insert favorite tin-foil hat.... ;)

Sidenote: this may be the first time I actually agree with AidenShaw *shudder* - I'd really like a Drobo. *head explodes*
So do I, as I would be more than willing to pay the alleged "Drobo Tax" without feeling the need to bitch about it.
 
I don't understand whats the point of these commercials since the droid on Verizon's network can do the same things? by the way i'm not an apple hatter.
 
so let me get this straigt, DMann and LagunaSol, you are actually talking all this hypocritical crap while personally attacking AidenShaw.


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so let me get this straigt, DMann and LagunaSol, you are actually talking all this hypocritical crap while personally attacking AidenShaw.

No - we, as many here, are merely pointing out a primary source of hypocritical crap.
 
so let me get this straigt, DMann and LagunaSol, you are actually talking all this hypocritical crap while personally attacking AidenShaw.

I'm still waiting for you to post some actual examples of my "hypocritical crap."
 
so let me get this straigt, DMann and LagunaSol, you are actually talking all this hypocritical crap while personally attacking AidenShaw.


hahaha oh wow.jpg

I don't think you have the right term, Hypocrisy is Preaching something and then do the opposite. Like saying Tobbaco is bad and everyone should stop, then smoke a ciggy.
 
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