Apple to Enter Verizon-AT&T Spat With Two New iPhone Ads

Weak commercial. Its coverage not features war.

Are you serious? If it's a so called "war" then there aren't any rules. Verizon: our 3G is bigger. ATT: ours is faster & we have better phones with better apps. Apple: ATT's 3G is better.

Basically it comes down to this, if you want to use an iphone, and you have good ATT coverage when you need it, and you need advanced features of UTMS, then ATT and / or iPhone is for you.

Here in the ATL I can get 2.2mb/sec on 3G and I'm fine with that!
 
Weak commercial. Its coverage not features war.

The coverage war has already been decided. As in, it's secondary to the device. AT&T, wth allegedly horrible coverage, has been a goldmine for Apple. People are flocking to the carrier just to get their hands on the iPhone. Verizon's desperate ad campaign won't change that.

Consumers are willing to put up with a helluva lot thanks to to the iPhone. That sends competing carriers quite a message.
 
Yeah, if you think that Apple thinks ATT has a better network, you have a short memory.

As I recall it was Apple who was getting its digs against ATT at their conference when they announced MMS and tethering and ATT was nowhere to be found, and there were boos in the crowd. :rolleyes:

The only thing I see getting brought up here is how great it is to surf the web while on a call, but that doesn't help the people here who aren't in ATT's lame 3G areas.
 
BTW, I have Verizon and get dropped calls and terrible audio quality...

...but only when my manager calls me from his Iphone. I seldom have any unexplained drops or quality problems otherwise.

(an "explained" drop would be like when CalTrain goes into the tunnel under San Bruno Mountain - and everything's dead until you see sunlight on the other side.)

You should quit hanging up on your boss like that. :)
 
At least these ads, unlike AT&T's, focus on the REAL advantages that the iPhone/AT&T have over Verizon. Doesn't mean AT&T sucks any less, but this is how they need to be competing...

Show the differences that make your product a better option. That said, they still haven't addressed their suspect 3G coverage

Well, good for Apple for standing up for AT&T even though AT&T has been a big drag for Apple.

That's called class. Apple sure didn't have to do this. They could have just kept promoting the app store in all their ads and let AT&T deal with all this. But they decided to step in and help.

I like that.

You're being naive. This isn't about comradery. Apple is concerned that their relationship with an entity with a negative reputation/perception will hinder iPhone sales. There is nothing noble about what they're doing. :)

The average American doesn't know the difference between 3G/EDGE/GSM or GPRS. So Verizon's claim on 3G can be taken as counts of AT&T not having actual coverage.

AT&T is refuting that, the coverage. Hence these ads.

If that's the case why is their an iPhone 3G? The majority of the consumers would be fine with an iPhone EDGE. Why bother making the distinction?

Except that millions of users in major metropolitan areas like NYC & San Francisco repeatedly report horrible reception and frequent dropped calls. AT&T really needs to shore up their network, but that's not secret to anyone.

Tell me about it. All the people that think it's FUD should actually visit for a few days and experience more bars in more places. All of the astute observations about simultaneous data and voice are irrelevant when you cant get a consistent 3G signal in Manhattan.

Well, my phone could do that but unfortunately I'm sitting in an apartment in mid-town Manhattan and I don't have coverage. I don't have coverage because ATT is my provider. What good is the coolest phone if one has the worst provider???

I do multitask so being on GSM was always a priority for me, but the advantage quickly dissipates when you head to metropolitan areas where I travel and you struggle with maintaining 3G.

This is great news.....for areas with AT&T's 3G coverage...........something Verizon brought up and AT&T still doesn't want to talk about. :eek:

Precisely, you can say we have x,y and z but it still doesnt address your network coverage. Verizon isn't perfect either, but in the northeast theyre far superior and that is unquestionable

Good job Apple, the best company for customer service and product design in the world! Keep on showing the competition that they have already lost.

Verizon will soon join M$ in bankruptcy.

Is the BRLawyers brother? hahaha some of these posts are delusional

Blah blah blah...good for you if ATT has awesome reliable 3G coverage in your area. Keep them.

I could care less over this niche feature if I can't keep a call going in the first place!

This is what it all boils down to: is the device so good that you are willing to put up with bad reception in your area. If service is wonderful in your area, then you have the best of both worlds

Defending AT&T just to defend the iPhone.

you guys sure know how to go low. :p

Yep, you can see the usual guys defend an Apple partner regardless of their performance. If Verizon were the carrier, these same opponents would be singing the praises of their coverage and minimizing the simultaneous voice and data advantages. As I said in another thread, none of them seemed to mind the original phone's CDMA-like limitations.;)

Bottom line is stick with the carrier that works for you. If you're going to only buy a device and not consider it's performance on an obligatory network then you may get a rude awakening
 
Sorry Guys that have terrible 3g...

I feel bad for the people that whine and complain about their coverage with att's 3g coverage, but I CANNOT relate.. I lived in Utah my whole life and used my Iphone 3g for about a year - Flawless 3g coverage. I moved to Fort Myers, FL - Flawless 3g coverage. I used the tether hack to gain internet access for the first month here.. Guess what? Near CABLE connection speeds on my 3g connection.

Its too bad Att doesn't provide this 3g all across the country, but I will tell you this: If you have had the 3g experience i've had with the iPhone, you wouldn't understand what everyone is bitching about.
 
Awesome rebuttal from Apple if you ask me...

But that has to get you thinking that if Apple itself is now targeting Verizon ads.......what sort of an agreement (if any) do they have to possibly carry it in the future? Ball is really in Apple's court as they will make Verizon bend over backwards to be able to carry the iPhone.
 
All I can do is laugh, drinking some cool aid.

I am not dismissing AT&T's weaknesses or failures at all, such as MMS late, still no tethering etc., but Verizon really set themselves up with all this and AT&T made a nice valid strike back!

this post has so much BS I don't know where to start

I invite you to prove me wrong! :rolleyes:

Might wanna check this out:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/11/10/att-defends-its-data-network-from-verizon-ad-attacks/

I agree. I see Verizon as a desperate company trying their best to stop the exodus to AT&T (and T-Mobile who will prob be next). Verizon has made mistake after mistake as far as their strategic decisions.

First, CDMA. This is a dead-end network and technology. They are stuck at 1.4Mb. Just wait until their network is FINALLY tested with a few more DROID phones. Their network will collapse faster than AT&T's. At least with AT&T, they have 3Mb now...and are upgrading to 7Mb this fall...and then followed up with 14Mb.

Second, Verizon ignored the product of the century (iPhone). What a bunch of bumbling goofs.

So, now Verizon is trying to scare their own customers about how bad and evil the AT&T Network is and at the same time, throwing rumors out there suggesting that one day soon, they will have the iPhone.

Sad....desperate....and lame.

Like I said above, AT&T has dropped the ball a bit, but overall I agree with you! Verizon is a bunch of arrogant, greedy, controlling #%$* that totally missed the boat, and now they are throwing a tantrum after they compare numbers every quarter lol! :p
 
Weird how things work out. First Apple makes fun of ATT when during one of their talks, when they talked about MMS and tethering, and now Apple is praising ATT's network. :eek:
 
No serious personal issues here at all. 1st off you really do show your true colors as a company that is supposed to care for it's customers like Apple. I don't care if I was selling an item to a company I would not target my other customers like apple computer owners to support such bad service provided by AT&T. 2nd since you are not a united states citizen here .. You really should not be giving your .02 on something you don't deal with day to day so... Don't go sugar coat what they are doing here. Oh I hope you know iphone is not the only thing Apple markets... What a shame for their other customers.... P.S let me guess you were one that drooled on the iphone and needed one unlocked for your carrier from ebay right ??? You probably don't have either service... so your opinion really means NOT to everyone that actually pays for and uses these networks... You have a nice day !!!
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::D

Actually Mike, just to clarify my 3GS was supplied by my carrier, and is factory unlocked. oh and FYI, the Isle of Man was the first country in the world to get a 3G network. I don't think my being a non US citizen should be an issue either, like I said all your networks are rubbish.

anyway, like I said, the companies are there to make money, don't take it so personally.
 
The city I live outside of, Asheville NC doesn't even have 3G coverage and it's a metro of about 400k. Hell we hardly get decent coverage with EDGE here nevermind 3G.

You're misinformed, or lying. I'm in downtown Asheville and since they recently turned 3G on, I've had solid 5 bars and 2.4mbit service. However, the farthest I've been out is the edge of tunnel road. Service is abysmally awful in Woodfin, Hendersonville, and Weaverville, but it's awful with Verizon and Nextel too. Saying Asheville has a metro of 400k is somewhat dishonest given the sprawl and zoning/annexation issues. We're an exceedingly tiny market, and the fact that they even bothered is kinda shocking. I'm guessing AT&T only turned 3G on because of the tourism industry :p

I must say, having 3G is nice. I know people who plan to move to iPhones/AT&T Blackberries now that 3G is active and solid. I had gotten quite used to EDGE (which was never that bad here, but EDGE on a good day is still EDGE). I turned my home wifi off the day 3G came on, and I haven't bothered turning it back on. One less iPhone owner bitching about AT&T's service ;). All my complaints about AT&T are officially resolved at this point. It'd be nice to have better Interstate 3G coverage in NC, but at that point in terms of cost/benefit viability for AT&T it's like asking for a pony, and it'd be nicer to see them put that money to metro 850 reinforcement than lighting up the sticks on overloaded towers ala Verizon.
 
droid

It has nothing to do with the phone. It's the network. CDMA/EvDO is not capable of simultaneous voice and data. UMTS is. The Droid can't do it, and the Droid will never be able to do it in its current form.

I just tried to do this on my droid. No, you cant access any internet based apps with the network, however if you have wi-fi and/or gps features turned on you can use the internet, go on certain applications, and even get directions on google maps with gps navigation during a call, and i mean TURN-BY-TURN gps navigation, with voice navigation and satellite view maps.
 
BTW, I have Verizon and get dropped calls and terrible audio quality...

...but only when my manager calls me from his Iphone. I seldom have any unexplained drops or quality problems otherwise.

(an "explained" drop would be like when CalTrain goes into the tunnel under San Bruno Mountain - and everything's dead until you see sunlight on the other side.)

Classic example of filtering based on expectations and bias. You probably get just as many dropped calls from all callers but no doubt it seems far more significant to you when it's your iPhone-carrying boss... who, by the way, might be calling you more frequently than others and carrying on longer calls than others thus increasing the chances that you'll experience a dropped call from him.

But tell us more. I find this kind of filtering to be weirdly fascinating.
 
sorry if this was covered. got bored after reading page 1 full of "apple is so cool and sticking up for their partner" blind love-fest. can someone clarify something here? in the uk 3g means 3g. a signal capable of voice and data at the same time. if my phone is receiving an email i can make or take a call at the same time. however, if i drop to edge and my phone is picking up an email any calls being received at that time go straight to voicemail. is this what happens on the verizon 3g network? and if so how can they call that a network and offer business class solutions? that's insane and surely worse than the dropped calls that you guys get over there on AT&T.
 
sorry if this was covered. got bored after reading page 1 full of "apple is so cool and sticking up for their partner" blind love-fest. can someone clarify something here? in the uk 3g means 3g. a signal capable of voice and data at the same time. if my phone is receiving an email i can make or take a call at the same time. however, if i drop to edge and my phone is picking up an email any calls being received at that time go straight to voicemail. is this what happens on the verizon 3g network? and if so how can they call that a network and offer business class solutions? that's insane and surely worse than the dropped calls that you guys get over there on AT&T.

The ITU certfied EVDO: Rev. A as 3G, but I do see your point. U.S. wireless is a joke compared to both Europe and Asia. Maybe one day we will catch up...
 
With this commercial, does it work in the big ATT coverage map or the 3G on verizon was showing in their ads? Is this only a 3G feature? Do calls go to voicemail otherwise?
 
With this commercial, does it work in the big ATT coverage map or the 3G on verizon was showing in their ads? Is this only a 3G feature? Do calls go to voicemail otherwise?

Using voice and data simultaneously is a 3G only feature on ATT. So yes, if you aren't getting a 3G signal, calls will go to voicemail while you are using data.
 
Using voice and data simultaneously is a 3G only feature on ATT. So yes, if you aren't getting a 3G signal, calls will go to voicemail while you are using data.

Really? That's a terrible way of working.

Here in the UK, if I'm using data on my iPhone 2G and I get a call, the call overrides the data and my phone rings.

I would've thought it was the same everywhere. The US really is behind with mobile communications.
 
It is interesting to note that the boss has the iPhone while the peon has the Windows Mobile device. Guess the smart ones do float to the top. :)

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Doesn't Work

Living in Manhattan the iPhone is simply not a reliable enough to make a phone call, consistently let alone call let alone do something else simultaneously.

While you may like the battle heating up, it unfortunately has become apparent that Verizon won't be getting the iPhone.

The consumer is therefore left with a great device and atrocious service/coverage.
 
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