If you mean behind as in, a whole lot more area to cover, yes we probably are. We know what the technology is, and how to use it, but we need a few more towers and repeaters than some of the smaller countries. So the upgrade cycle takes longer. Our shifting to even lower frequencies (700MHz) will help our speed of upgrades (less towers than Europe's proposed 2100Mhz or 2800MHz frequencies)
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If you mean behind as in, a whole lot more area to cover, yes we probably are. We know what the technology is, and how to use it, but we need a few more towers and repeaters than some of the smaller countries. So the upgrade cycle takes longer. Our shifting to even lower frequencies (700MHz) will help our speed of upgrades (less towers than Europe's proposed 2100Mhz or 2800MHz frequencies)
if apple is committed to at&t ... i could see a bright future if they work together. if at&t steps it up for apple and puts blood sweat and tears into beefing up their network, apple will be more than happy to return the favor with the best phones in the world
at&t needs to change their mindset away from greedy bloodsuckers to striving to be the best network on the planet. i hope apple's mindset will rub off on at&t.
at&t needs to change their mindset away from greedy bloodsuckers to striving to be the best network on the planet. i hope apple's mindset will rub off on at&t.
I was referring to the midwest and western rural areas. AT&T has not only a huge 3G gap, but also a service gap in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. I can promise my Droid on Verizon will outperform your iPhone on AT&T in any of those markets. I am sure there are many other rural areas in the US where Verizon also provides better coverage. If you prove that AT&T provides better 3G coverage to people in rural areas then I will believe you. This list tells me only about a few areas getting 3G service. The rest will have to wait for years as AT&T adds a few here and there.
On ATT's EDGE implementation, incoming calls go to voicemail if the phone is actively using data.
On Verizon's EVDO implementation, incoming calls pause active data and ring the phone, so the user can make a choice to answer the call.
Excellent excellent excellent. These are superb ads. Verizon made a horrible decision to try and target AT&T with advertising. AT&T may seem like a sleeping giant that's harmless and keeps to itself, but it's still armed with the iPhone and always will be.
This was a bad time for Verizon to open the floodgates of comparison to AT&T. I understand that if you live in NYC and have AT&T, you have a different opinion than everywhere else in the world, but for the rest of us, AT&T service is fast and flawless (or at least mine is).
Furthermore, I use the feature of 3G during a Call during almost EVERY call. I need to, for work. Its essential.
I couldn't switch to Verizon if I wanted to, because it would compromise my business. They should have thought of that at Verizon before they released the mapforthat ads.
This was a bad time for Verizon to open the floodgates of comparison to AT&T. I understand that if you live in NYC and have AT&T, you have a different opinion than everywhere else in the world, but for the rest of us, AT&T service is fast and flawless (or at least mine is).
Furthermore, I use the feature of 3G during a Call during almost EVERY call. I need to, for work. Its essential.
I couldn't switch to Verizon if I wanted to, because it would compromise my business. They should have thought of that at Verizon before they released the mapforthat ads.
Who cares!?!?!? There are nearing 30 million iPhone users in the US alone. Do you think any of them live in those ridiculous parts of the country? No they don't.
Those areas are ridiculous because its literally like going back 40 years. AT&T is not the only service provider that "don't go there"
Enjoy taking 5 mpx pictures of absolutely nothing out in Idaho.
I agree. I live in Ohio and travel to FL and DC for work all the time. I always have good 3G service, except for the metro tunnels.
Correction: EVDO Rev A is capable of up to 3.1Mbps downlink and 1.8Mbps uplink.
Real life speeds for both EVDO and UMTS are of course, lower:
Sample national carrier speed test
There are several technical reasons why that's a poor prediction.
1) Verizon separates voice and data. On the downside, this means no simultaneous action. On the upside, one type of connection does not affect the other. More data load does not affect voice users.
On ATT, more 3G users of either voice or data can (and does) cause other 3G users to get dropped.
2) Verizon's network was designed from the start for CDMA radios and their resultant cell breathing. ATT started with TDMA and thus ended up with coverage holes when they added CDMA for 3G... again, more dropped calls.
3) Verizon has been adding massive backhaul in preparation for LTE.
Who cares!?!?!? There are nearing 30 million iPhone users in the US alone. Do you think any of them live in those ridiculous parts of the country? No they don't.
Those areas are ridiculous because its literally like going back 40 years. AT&T is not the only service provider that "don't go there"
Enjoy taking 5 mpx pictures of absolutely nothing out in Idaho.
Oh well okay then... just because you think I live in a "ridiculous" part of the country I am not willing to move to some urban area just to have an iPhone with AT&T service. Your right many service providers don't go there, but guess what? Verizon does. I live in one of the most beautiful parts of the country and I would not give it up for an iPhone. Until you spend some time living in a place like the Black Hills and work in a place like the historic town of Deadwood I don't think you should call it ridiculous. It is beautiful and peaceful and guess what? Yes we have 3G! Thanks Verizon.
If they were smart they would also be piggy backing off of the FIOS lines they are laying.
Does anyone know if AT&T is using fiber for its backend?
I didn't realize Verizon phones couldn't do this. Personally I use several apps while on a voice connection. For me those other "multi-tasking" phones wouldn't be that great if talking on the phone wasn't one of the simultaneous tasks.
I was simply responding to your quote that "AT&T doesn't think people who live in rural areas deserve the latest in technology."
I'm sorry that the last 45 days worth of rural cities that AT&T has provided 3G coverage to doesn't support your quote.
And if you had clicked on the link I left, you'd see that the "list of only a few areas getitng 3G" is a live list. More rural cities are added to it virtually daily.
I get what you're saying. VZW is done with its 3G rollout and has more rural areas covered. But I think you're being pretty silly to say "Because today, AT&T doesn't have as much rural 3G coverage as Verizon, they don't think rural people deserve the latest technology", when the facts are (a) AT&T isn't done with it's 3G rollout and (b) virtually all of the latest cities to get 3G are rural areas.
A very true statement. Just like how rural areas had to wait years and were the last bits of the country to be covered by VZW/Sprint's 3G rollout (which finished years ago), rural areas will again have to wait and be the last bits of the country to be covered by AT&T/T-Moble's 3G rollout (which are both still in progress). SSDD.
Well, we know Apple's message got through to you. Now imagine how many more people there are like you who didn't know this about Verizon. Especially the average, non-techie user.
It's not that big of a deal to the average user...
The average, non-techie user is going to be holding the phone against her head while talking, so she will wonder why on earth anyone would try to update email or surf while on the phone.
When I'm on conference calls, I'm either at my desk (with a PC nearby for lookups) or in the car (where looking something up could be fatal).
Only blue-tooth multi-taskers (and others suffering from continuous partial attention) will find a critical need for simultaneous voice/data.
The average, non-techie user is going to be holding the phone against her head while talking, so she will wonder why on earth anyone would try to update email or surf while on the phone.
When I'm on conference calls, I'm either at my desk (with a PC nearby for lookups) or in the car (where looking something up could be fatal).
Only blue-tooth multi-taskers (and others suffering from continuous partial attention) will find a critical need for simultaneous voice/data.
Well in reality, you can do EDGE [and GPRS] with simultaneous data and voice… It's listed under the Class A type of GSM phones. There are two ways to implement this—one is via two radios and the other is the use of dual-transfer mode. Oh it does require carrier support and I don't recall it having ever worked for me on AT&T.
No actually your data gets paused and the call comes through, unless you disable it. Some phones allow you to disable it, but all have that one on by default.
Be sure to cover your eyes while you apply that, I hear it can sting. Make sure you don't miss any spots, we don't want to see your disappearance spotty and uneven.
The rest of us here at MacRumors really hope it works. If it does, please pass it along to your fellow trolls. This place could use a good purging.
AidenShaw's uncanny ability to stick a red-hot needle in every scab of Apple weakness while flippantly dismissing any competitor's weakness as inconsequential is truly impressive.
I'm sure when Dell comes out with a new Windows Mobile phone on a network that does simultaneous voice and data he'll be happily squealing like a pig in slop.
Things that make you go "Hmm..."
And as I countered in that other thread, you are 100% wrong. The wailing about the original iPhone's EDGE limitations was loud and pervasive. Your illustration of the mindless Apple customer who embraces all shortcomings is pure fantasy.
I believe it is called cognative dissonance. Which some here also suffered through when the original iPhone couldn't do voice and data at the same time (or even the 3G/3GS when in EDGE coverage in the US).
Wait until you see the new HTC OmniTouchFloProMo 3D Platinum Deluxe, with an 18 megapixel camera! (kdarling can send you a brochure.)
The accelerating hardware fragmentation of the Android and Windows Mobile markets will be more curse than blessing. Watch and see. You can bet Microsoft will come to this same conclusion (late, as always) and will be producing a ZunePhone. Let history be your guide. I won't be surprised to see rumors of new Google-branded hardware prove true too.
Apple, RIM, and Palm have it right with the integrated hardware/software model (though for Palm it's likely too little too late) in the exploding consumer smartphone space. We saw it with DAPs (iPod vs. everything else) and we'll likely see it with smartphones as well.