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Apple to Hire 4,000 Employees in Hyderabad, India to Work on Maps Development
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I'm not conflating anything. I'm saying 1) Apple is a big contributor to the U.S. economy, and 2) Apple in 2016 isn't even Apple in 2010 when SJ was living. It must expand faster than every now and that means globally. The past is the past. Also do you honestly believe all those engineers in Cupertino are U.S. citizens and none are here on H1B Visas?
I actually have to agree with you that Maps is a complete mess on iPhone, admittedly I use it on the iPhone 5 but the Maps app on my Note5 is awesome and far more accurate. Hopefully this new centre with these 4,000 Indians will help Apple catch up where they lag so far behind.
How does this sit together with the proposed Indian legislation banning the downloading, retaining or production of aerial mapping or indeed of any mapping at all. http://thewire.in/2016/05/16/before...-map-in-order-to-protect-the-territory-36453/ The legislation does not appear to recognise the realities of modern life. Hang on, it is being proposed by uber-nationalistic politicians, so it does not need to make any sense.
While Apple is worrying about how to figure out maps, this is how Apple is going to get smoked by Google.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3072...e-moores-law-seven-years-into-the-future.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3072...e-moores-law-seven-years-into-the-future.html
Right - I mean with razor thin margins and barely any profit being made, plus the high taxes they pay...you can understand his position. Right. Un. Effing Amazing.
Objectively? You mean how people here in the USA would prefer that jobs and stuff stay here so our people make out good? That objectivity? Sorry but India can create their own economy and get things rolling. The people(past & some present) of the USA are what make us what we are today. Other countries that are struggling or whatever can do the same. Or, they can piss and moan about how bad they got it. Their choice.
Let's even say:
Everything gets made in USA.
The people in importing, customs, logistics would all be out of a job.
Prices would be higher, so exporting becomes difficult and sometimes impossible.
All foreign corporations close their US factories and produce and sell their stuff only in their countries. (You do want all countries to take care of themselves)
The jobless rates in retail, warehousing, transporation would be astronomical and the recession would be so bad, that it would last for years.
"Making" things in USA these days either involves automation with machines, so not many workers needed
or whatever is done by hand is usually done by latinos incl. illegals we can't do without.
(BTW: I keep predicting that (not in my lifetime) USA will eventually be a dual language country and Spanish will take over. These people make child after child and in some areas you are already lost if you don't speak Spanglish)
Ask yourself why USA lost and is losing so many production jobs? It's not just lower wages.
The politicians and business taxation and structures are totally business unfriendly.
USA has the habit to chase you into the grave to get a cut of every dollar you make, even when you no longer live in this country.
Since everything is money driven, businesses make sure they only pay the minimum necessary for ANYTHING.
I do not go to any store and say, here is an extra dollar, I am glad it's made in USA. Pipe dream.
Trying to isolate USA from the world isn't going to work.
So, if you want to be objective, acknowledge that business is global.
If you can't do that ................
It's a good step for Apple but they are still far behind Google. Google has just announced at their I/O event that they designed tensor processing units (AI processors) which they started using in several products.
Norm Jouppi, a distinguished hardware engineer at Google posted this on his blog: “TPUs already power many applications at Google, including RankBrain, used to improve the relevancy of search results and Street View, to improve the accuracy and quality of our maps and navigation”
I wonder if 4000 Indian engineers will be able to compete with Google's AI
Norm Jouppi, a distinguished hardware engineer at Google posted this on his blog: “TPUs already power many applications at Google, including RankBrain, used to improve the relevancy of search results and Street View, to improve the accuracy and quality of our maps and navigation”
I wonder if 4000 Indian engineers will be able to compete with Google's AI
No, reality a fact and twisting things to ones viewpoint
Why only chastise Apple?
[doublepost=1463673895][/doublepost].......and get higher education, so you can apply for better paying jobs.
Anybody with half a drive and smarts can start in any factory at minimum wage and be the line leader, supervisor become a warehouse manager etc.etc. within a year or two.
Assuming they learn what is important. Wouldn't even have to be at the same company.
But , that would require hard work, extra hours and I do not see many people willing to do that.
They all want to be paid up front with an employer not knowing what they get in return.
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Apple is not dodging any laws or taxes, they are not greedy or bad. The reason this is happening is because your precious US Government made it happen. That is the way freedom works. Government passes laws that make it cost and procedurally prohibitive to hire people in the US and they hire outside the US. This is the result of socialist ideas that have not been thought out completely and it will continue to happen until or unless people decide if they want freedom and jobs or absolute rule and poverty. Its not that hard to understand, if you read a little history with an open mind.
When you need to get to the ER, and your bloody map's tool isn't working - I think once failed trip to the ER is more than enough!
[doublepost=1463674662][/doublepost]India and traffic - they just don't go together.
Had a good friend - from India.
In the US, he was a good, cautious driver - in his small compact car.
Then one time, he drove a rented 15 passenger van. Nearly killed everyone, repeatedly.
We finally came to understand that he seriously thought right of way was dictated by the size and weight of the vehicle you were driving. He told us that's how it worked throughout India.
AND charge $4000 for the 16GB base iPhone.
Someone will be paying the costs to pay more in the USA.
I would prefer it if they spread the maps work across the globe. Part of the reason that the initial Apple Maps was so awful outside the US was because it was written solely in the US. There were basic issues that even a little bit of local knowledge would have prevented.
I can see the advantages of locating all the people working on one discipline in one place, but not when it comes to something with as many localisation issues as maps. Very strange decision by Apple.
I can see the advantages of locating all the people working on one discipline in one place, but not when it comes to something with as many localisation issues as maps. Very strange decision by Apple.
Wow, so much hate for other countries here. I must be the exception that proves the rule or that the company I work for is better at hiring in India than others. The Indian guys I have worked with have generally been highly skilled and extremely hard working (often harder workers than their American counterparts). The hardest part of working with Bangalore and Hyderabad is that there are so many tech companies out there you have to work hard to get and keep employees.
Are you saying MacPro assembly has been outsourced? Please provide a link on that. The reason that's assembled in the US is because the infrastructure exists for manufacturing a relatively low volume, easy to assemble product.
iPhones are manufactured in China because the required infrastructure to assemble a high volume intricate product at the necessary rate of production simply does not exist in the US.
"Ship the jobs overseas, scrape the margins hard until Icahn is happy."
Are you doing your part by only purchasing computers/phones/electronics/clothes/etc manufactured in the US?
Apparently it wouldn't be that much.
Motorola said that it only cost them $4 extra in labor and parts shipping to assemble the Moto X in Texas using American workers, vs doing it someplace outside the US.
The trouble was, they never had the necessary US sales to keep up their idea of fast customization to US customers.
Apple, on the other hand, consistently sells millions of iPhones to US customers, so a local factory could be a great job and PR asset.
India is poorer than China. It will be interesting to see how Apple products do in India.
More jobs leaving the US. Let's raise corporate taxes, the minimum wage and salaries and OT pay. That'll make companies want to bring more work to the US!
I've got a tomtom. I use sygic on my ipad, here I need something that does not use the internet and sygic even though it uses tomtom maps beats the tomtom.
This is Tim Cook's new strategy. Hire thousands of indian's and give them iphones, then apple's market share goes up there. Brilliant!