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quick sell all the dead stock 5S'

ignore the rumors posted to websites like these

there is no iPhone 6....
 
My first thought when reading about this upcoming promotion is that this could hurt iPhone 6 sales. If they entice people to do all sorts of upgrades now, isn't that going to cut into the pool of potential iPhone 6 buyers?

I think it would be a BIG mistake to upgrade now, especially for anyone that thinks they might even remotely have an interest in a larger screen.

Joe Average Consumer doesn't keep up with what Apple does. They'll buy whatever they think is best at a time when they need a phone or think a price is enticing.

The early adopters of everything are all over the iPhone6 and will impatiently wait
and buy then and hand down their older devices.

Then there are some which have followed Apple for a long time and kind of know (or guess 90% right) what's next and can wait.

So, there will be something for each group eventually, but the instore event is for group 1 or price grabbers who may want an inexpensive alternative for kids, parents etc.

This cowboy will wait until things shake out and there is plenty of supply.

And, my mantra: 128GB or my wait goes on to 6S or even further.
 
Absolutely disagreed.

1, TV stations, if broadcasting over the air, are forced not to exceed 720p/1080i if they use MPEG-2. There simply isn't bandwidth available. Referring to them to justify staying at Full HD isn't really a good idea. And the Xbox's 720p is because it's a 3D game with millions of polygons and the like - sticking with 720p (as opposed to 1080p / 4K) is because higher resolutions would have resulted in slowdowns. This has nothing to do with "simple" video shooting, where nothing restricts the resolution.

2, 4K recording is well-working in several handsets (Note 3, S5, LG Pro 2, Sony Z2 etc.) now, even with the "old" H.264 standard. When and if H.265 arrives, it'll further reduce the needed bitrate. Nevertheless, the current around 45-50 Mbps bitrate used by, say, the S5 is passable - after all, it's less than 2 times more than 1080p60's bitrate (around 27 Mbps) and only about 2.5 times more than that of 1080p30. I personally have nothing against shooting at an elevated bitrate like that if I know the end result will be a much more detailed and, last but not least, much-much more future-proof than simple Full HD footage.



Again: proper 4K recording using the common H.264 encoders isn't THAT storage-consuming and is proven to work just fine in several flagship handsets from other companies. Why not have the choice in the iPhone6 too if the technology would already support it? Because it's Apple, which has always lagged being the competitors WRT camera tech and/or considers their users so dumb that the users wouldn't ever want to shoot at 4K?

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I really wish this was the case. I really dislike the Autumn launches because it's mostly in the Summer that I shoot pictures / video.

So the phones you mentioned that can record 4K can't even enjoy it fully because the phone screens are 1080 and most folks don't have a monitor or TV to watch it in all it's glory. Also, 4K recording will consume more storage space. No way in hell will it consume the same space as 1080 recording.
 
I was speaking specifically about the mobile devices where based on my continuous experience,it a one OS upgrade and done because the 2nd OS upgrade cripples the device.
I'm using a 5 year old MBP to respond here. Apple does not play the "roll out a crippling new OS and force you to upgrade" game with their laptops....yet.

Not sure I agree. I upgraded my 4S to iOS 7 and didn't have any real issues with usability. I went into Accessibility and turned down the motion effects, but not because they were not running smoothly, but for battery life. I didn't really find anything about iOS 7 making that two year-old phone any less usable day-to-day.
 
Because sales of the 5s haven't been good enough already?

It's less about the 5S and more about getting folks off of old phones. There are folks out there still rocking 3G to 4 models and that's old tech. They haven't likely been in the stores in ages and wouldn't know about the newer models, the trade in program etc. So sending out emails is a great way to say 'hey this is what is going on now'

And remember that in many areas, probably most, legally Apple only has to support a model for four-five years after it is released so some of these models will be end of like for out of warranty repairs if not already. Like my friends grandmother that is still rocking a 1st gen iPhone. When it dies she'll have to get a newer phone, there is no other option. Better to get it now when her grandson can get her contacts etc off a working unit than have it die etc

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It sounds like they don't want to have a 5s as a low-cost option after the 6 is released.

This has nothing to do with any thoughts in that regard

If anything was suggesting they don't want to make the 5s the 'cheap' phone it would be the recent release of an 8GB 5c. Tat rather suggests that this go around it will be a 6C and a 6S with the C starting at 8GB for 'free'
 
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The new ART runtime is just awesome.... If you do not know ART is big hidden feature on KitKat, then you do not know Android....

You are right; I don't know about this "ART" runtime, but I know what a real art it is to make the iOS hardware AND software work so well, in so little time, whilst the Android developers are still scrambling to get the basic UX working well, even with multiple gigabytes of ram and quad core, multi-gigahertz processors, whilst iOS has worked smoothly and consistently on FAR lower specs, for years now (and, may I say, in a FAR more beautiful, elegant manner).

Apple aren't under ANY pressure to release their products; that is a very prevalent and extremely badly thought-out assumption by the masses, who assume, falsely, that Apple are now just "A.N. Other phone, INC". If you have breadth and depth of knowledge regarding Apple, you'll know that they are governed by their own timeline and road maps; totally detached from and independent of this imaginary "timeline" that the majority of hardware companies imagine exists (and therefore fall into the trap of feeling the need to adhere to due to, again, imagined expectations of customers).

When YOU make the rules, you tend not to give even a first thought to the outsiders and how much people are in a rush to be the first in the race to the bottom, both on UX and price.

Customers don't know what they want OR how to articulate that - they only know if something feels, behaves right or wrong when they use it. Apple have a vision, and the vision is not shared with outsiders, and their timing can change at any time on a whim, and they KNOW that this will only heighten the sense of anticipation - if a minor percentage of users fall by the wayside and "defect" to Android... oh well...

Apple care about people who love and buy their products, why would they care about those that don't? They do not feel "in competition" with the other gaudy, rushed, muppet devices - when you know you've nurtured and grown a IMMENSELY popular winning platform, product line and ecosystem, you tend to take your time to develop at your own pace and to be able to think things through properly as you watch the outsiders clammering to adopt every new gimmick to see the light of day, most of which will fall as fast as they rose, because they were trying to shove tech inside for the sake of shouting how they now have it in their devices, instead of calmly considering how this could shape their future implementations of this trendy technology (think NFC, as an example).

Bluetooth LE; available in MANY devices Apple have made, for many years. Suddenly we start hearing about "iBeacons" (A Bluetooth LE feature, implemented in an innovative manner) which puts NFC to shame. All of a sudden, hundreds of millions of "iBeacons" that have laid dormant for years could become activated overnight by a simple software/firmware update! Apple plans FAR FAR in advance how the things they adopt now will influence the plans they have for these devices for the future, and in a more considered manner than most companies could ever dream of being able to have the foresight to sit down and work out.

PS: To return to replying to your comment, Apple hire artists and psychologists to develop human interaction ideas, where Google/Samsung would hire engineers...
 
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haha why would anyone buy one now? Walmart offers it for free and you don't even have to trade in an iPhone and get the 5c for free. Target sometimes has it for free. I have seen the 5s for $80-120 bucks
Walmart doesn't offer any phones for "free". If you think that simply because one doesn't have to put money down that it's "free" then you are destined to make poor financial decisions. People pay for that "free" phone each month of their cell contract.

Point is with all the cell phone companies getting rid of the subsidies why would anyone get a 8 month old phone when they can get the newest one or a Galaxy 5 if they really need to upgrade.
Why? Because it might be a good deal. (the prices haven't been revealed yet)

I've got a 32GB iPhone 4 that I've been using for 2 years with StraightTalk. Paid $310 outright for it no strings/contracts attached. If the price on the 5S is good enough, I'd buy it. People will buy if it's a good deal... it's not difficult to understand.


Apple aren't under ANY pressure to release their products; that is a very prevalent and extremely badly thought-out assumption by the masses, who assume, falsely, that Apple are now just "A.N. Other phone, INC". If you have breadth and depth of knowledge regarding Apple, you'll know that they are governed by their own timeline and road maps; totally detached from and independent of this imaginary "timeline" that the majority of hardware companies imagine exists (and therefore fall into the trap of feeling the need to adhere to due to, again, imagined expectations of customers).
Please tell that to the Apple apologists who said that the reason why Apple released iOS 7 when they did (while so many bugs were still prevalent) was because they were forced to.
 
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody. The 5s is already king of the hill in terms of premium smartphones. Is the 6 really going to be that much of an upgrade aside from a larger screen?

Exactly - I won't bite but the 5S will be OS supported for the next 3 years for sure - and if Iphone6 also comes with 1MB RAM - then there is no reason it wouldn't be supported lot longer.
 
Please tell that to the Apple apologists who said that the reason why Apple released iOS 7 when they did (while so many bugs were still prevalent) was because they were forced to.

Apple apologists don't work for Apple - they're as blind as any other outsider to Apple's inner machinations; how could they know even the first thing about how/when/why, any more than you and I could?

Noone knows ANYTHING about why Apple do what they do - people who state otherwise are:

#1 Fired Apple ex-employees

#2 Daydreaming

#3 Egotists

#4 A combination of the above
 
With the pressure on Apple to finally have a "one more thing" moment for the first time since Steve Jobs left...it seems the time is right to announce the iPhone 6 at WWDC. They could announce in June with a July sales date. Apple will need some separation in announcements this fall from the iPhone 6 and the iWatch. It would make sense to announce the all new phones with iOS8 and then announce a 4.7" going on sale in July and the larger device going on sale in the fall. That would leave a September event to reveal the new iPods that follow the new form factor and an iWatch...just in time for the Christmas buying season. If they announce it all at once it doesn't give consumers time to replenish their wallets for the iWatch after they just upgraded to the iPhone6.
 
Hmmm

If Apple is really preparing for an influx of customers, this might be a big event. There is a trade in price point that Apple could offer its existing customers that would drive tremendous demand, and Apple would still make a nice profit off of sales of new phones. Suppose Apple sent a text to every 3Gs owner and offered them $200 off of a 5c or a 5s? You would almost have to take that deal, right?
 
Agreed it would make more sense for them to get Android users to trade in for a discounted iPhone.

Further - they could probably sell an unlocked iPhone at a discount and get people to sign up - eligible or not.
 
So the phones you mentioned that can record 4K can't even enjoy it fully because the phone screens are 1080 and most folks don't have a monitor or TV to watch it in all it's glory. Also, 4K recording will consume more storage space. No way in hell will it consume the same space as 1080 recording.

*yawn*

1, 4K recordings are far more future-proof. I've explained this several times in
these very forums.

2, above, I did state 4K recordings consume 2-2.5 times more storage than Full HD recordings. For many of us, this is more than acceptable.
 
What Apple ain't:

#1 Feeling any "pressure" - you're deluded if you think a company worth $167BN with the world's most successful mobile platform EVER is feeling "pressured".

#2 Going down/falling out of favour/losing touch/<insert ridiculous claim>.

If you want crappy, rushed products that are as bland as every other mfr's out there, stop buying Apple, or just realise that they're laughing at the world and how everyone (erroneously) thinks they HAVE to do X, Y or Z - they don't, and they're laughing at you for thinking so.
 
What level of foolish do you have to be to buy into a soon to be obsolete device that will further be crippled by a forced iOS8 upgrade and virtually bricked in 2015 when iOS9 is forced upon it?

The people who are currently still using an iPhone 4s or earlier model, and who might find it advantageous to get, at a discount, a device that works and will work just fine, even though it's not released 5 minutes ago. That level of "foolish."
 
What Apple ain't:

#1 Feeling any "pressure" - you're deluded if you think a company worth $167BN with the world's most successful mobile platform EVER is feeling "pressured".

You're wrong. All companies feel pressure from competition. Especially Apple. You're the one "deluded" if you think otherwise.

Tim Cook's quotes, lawsuits, acquisitions, etc all tell a different story than your attempt to be erudite.
 
Apple aren't under ANY pressure to release their products; that is a very prevalent and extremely badly thought-out assumption by the masses, who assume, falsely, that Apple are now just "A.N. Other phone, INC". If you have breadth and depth of knowledge regarding Apple, you'll know that they are governed by their own timeline and road maps; totally detached from and independent of this imaginary "timeline" that the majority of hardware companies imagine exists (and therefore fall into the trap of feeling the need to adhere to due to, again, imagined expectations of customers).

Do you think :apple: has established a pattern of announcing new phones at the end of Q3 just in time for volume production and sales in the Q4 holiday season?

I can see them doing that for years to come. It's like clock work now.
 
Exactly. This is shady. Bring your loyal customers in, to pay full price for a soon to be obsolete model.

Then drop a new phone after they spend money on an old one.

Nice Apple.

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How many apps are out there that scratch the surface of the A7 chip in the 5s? How can you think it's soon to be obsolete when the 4s in my pocket is NOT obsolete? It's dated and beat up from ~2.5 years of abuse, but it's not obsolete. Windows 95 is obsolete. OS8 is obsolete. Palm Pilots are obsolete. iPhones able to run the current iOS are not obsolete. The older ones may be dated but not obsolete. If they offer me more than $200 to trade it in I will. If the 6 is a game changer worthy of the upgrade, then I'll hand the 5s down to my mom and get the 6 for me.
 
What Apple ain't:

#1 Feeling any "pressure" - you're deluded if you think a company worth $167BN with the world's most successful mobile platform EVER is feeling "pressured".

#2 Going down/falling out of favour/losing touch/<insert ridiculous claim>.

If you want crappy, rushed products that are as bland as every other mfr's out there, stop buying Apple, or just realise that they're laughing at the world and how everyone (erroneously) thinks they HAVE to do X, Y or Z - they don't, and they're laughing at you for thinking so.

It is foolish to think any company not pay attention and feel the pressure from competitors. Before 2010, no one ink BlackBerry will ever going down... Their stock was at one time high...

You seems to think only iPhone is not crappy, rushed products. Ever heard HTC One, Moto X, Moto G?
 
Do you think :apple: has established a pattern of announcing new phones at the end of Q3 just in time for volume production and sales in the Q4 holiday season?

I can see them doing that for years to come. It's like clock work now.

Well yes - that's common sense - anyone could deduce that. So what?

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You're wrong. All companies feel pressure from competition. Especially Apple. You're the one "deluded" if you think otherwise.

Tim Cook's quotes, lawsuits, acquisitions, etc all tell a different story than your attempt to be erudite.

Okay, I'm happy being seen as wrong by a stranger - I don't feel insecure :)

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It is foolish to think any company not pay attention and feel the pressure from competitors. Before 2010, no one ink BlackBerry will ever going down... Their stock was at one time high...

You seems to think only iPhone is not crappy, rushed products. Ever heard HTC One, Moto X, Moto G?


Friend, I've owned a Moto G for two months. It's solidly made, but is crappy - the same as all Android devices. I feel sorry for people who don't respect that other people have opinions - I respect you like Android, I don't "hate" it, but it's a poor effort.
 
who in their right mind is gonna buy now with a 6 around the corner ?:confused:

It's at least 4 months away. And it doesn't look like there will be a lot of iPhone 6 devices ready due to the sapphire plants coming up to speed. When things are rushed, then you have to wait or worse return your phone for mistakes. So you could be waiting until December for inventory to catch up on iPhone 6.

Versus an iPhone 5s in your hand now that has most of the bugs shaken out because Apple has made tons of them.
 
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