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Apple to Introduce Cheaper iPhone at WWDC?

brop52 said:
5MB? I assume you mean 5GB. Reading one email with a large image and you go over that.
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data plans with caps like 5MB are not uncommon for non smart phones. We don't know what AT&T might do but I suspect they would do a much lower cap than 5GB since probably 99% of iPhone users don't go over that now any way.

You should realize that when you read a message on the iPhone that includes an image attachment, the entire image is not downloaded until you pull the image up.

Additionally, if you are sending 5MB image emails you are a bit daft, since even huge JPG will be less than 5MB. If you resize images before emailing them (as you ought to do) even fairly high resolution images will shrink down to 100KB.
 
E.Lizardo said:
I'm paying roughly the same price I pay for truly unlimited high speed internet service at home, for 250-300mb per month? And I can't even download a freakn app from the App Store with their service? Incredible.
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Um,you can download apps from the appstore,unless they are freakin huge.I've never felt the need to though.
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"Um"? Is that supposed to be cute?

Look, Pal, unless it's less than 10MB, it ain't happening. And since when has 10MB been "freakin huge"?

Try downloading a favorite podcast from the iTunes store. I have to reach a Wi-Fi network to make this happen ...for the $30 a month. :rolleyes:
 
No new iPhone on Monday?

I saw a rumor on here about a special event at the end of June/early July. Have any of you thought that Apple will wait until Steve gets back to announce the new iPhone?
 
skeep5 said:
just yesterday i tried to talk to an AT&T store employee about the 'new iphone' that's coming next week and he tried his best to act like he didn't know what i was talking about. yeah right!
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Haha, let's hope it's because he really doesn't due to the fact that other carriers now have it instead of AT&T. :D
 
peterdevries said:
It's not Apple that thinks this (at least they haven't announced anything), but analysts and market researchers...

The fundamental principle of supply and demand is that if you lower the price of a product, more are sold. the iPhone is highly popular but viewed as very expensive (even with subsidizing). So each lowering of price will draw extra buyers. There is still a large potential for Apple to increase sales, so a doubling is not so crazy. Remember the sales increase when going from 2g to 3g. (even if you only consider the US and not the rest of the countries that saw the introduction of the 3G as the first model, like The Netherlands).
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peter - I believe that you are mixing two different concepts. Lowering prices > creating more demand is not supply and demand BUT an economic concept known as elasticity of demand. Its premise is that a positive elasticity yields favorable economics by:

lowering price
less is made on each unit
so many more units are sold that overall "profit" actually increases

A negative elasticity of demand does not yield favorable demand to price reductions

Supply and demand suggests that scarcity generates higher prices as people bid up the price.

As to the implications for this iPhone discussion........:eek:
 
BillyBobBongo said:
From the looks of things my current mobile is on its last legs. This could be some very fortunate timing for a change, if this happens! :D
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me too. my phone is about to die. its bad. i need a new one asap. Lets hope for verizon. *crosses fingers*:apple:
 
jmpage2 said:
data plans with caps like 5MB are not uncommon for non smart phones. We don't know what AT&T might do but I suspect they would do a much lower cap than 5GB since probably 99% of iPhone users don't go over that now any way.

You should realize that when you read a message on the iPhone that includes an image attachment, the entire image is not downloaded until you pull the image up.

Additionally, if you are sending 5MB image emails you are a bit daft, since even huge JPG will be less than 5MB. If you resize images before emailing them (as you ought to do) even fairly high resolution images will shrink down to 100KB.
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You would think people would know how to resize images for emails but you would be surprised. I'm getting a lot of emails from other medical students who have subleases available for the summer and the next year and they never know how to resize their photos. They are usually about 3MB a piece +3-4 each and I get multiple of these emails a day.

Despite this, I still think that a 5MB limit defeats the purpose of this type of device. I know if they offer a lower price data plan I'd also expect lower than 5GB as it is essentially that right now. I know 5GB is a pretty sizable amount and I usually hover around that for my house internet. Obviously WiFi is an option with the iPhone but if you were going to do that just get a cheap phone service and use an iPod Touch.
 
bzudo said:
I think Apple is just going to sell the iPhone at a cheaper price point. The end. No crippled hardware. No pro model.

Some people on here refuse to even acknowledge that as a possibility. Why?
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One reason I disagree on the "no pro model" is that there are reliable reports that Apple is buying different and better hardware components. Added to that, there are references to new / more powerful hardware in the beta releases of 3.0. Added to that, the new functions in the 3.0 software and I think you have a "Pro" version.
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charlituna said:
i find it a tad hard to believe that they would go back to the so not selling 4gb model. with all the games and such that is nothing. and the way they are hyping the APP store (have you seen the WWDC banner pics)
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It is a "Developers Conference" that is what the 'DC' stands for. Why would they not put an emphasis of what is primary interest to developers??????????????

The banners should not be about how successful Apple is, they should be about how successful the developers can be. [ Yes there could be some shared success, but folks with "huge" apps won't sell as well into the 4GB phone. That's OK because there will be about as many > 4GB phones out there as before . ]

There probably is some small fraction of folks who don't want folks to have to think about app size. People buying apps they use a couple of times and toast... don't notice as much clogging up space on the phone if there is lots of it. ( in truth just have to do better management between iTunes (store apps on computer) and iPhone. )



That said the app store is not the end all be all everyone tries to spin it as. If you want a phone + PDA don't really need 1,000 apps. There is an eariler post about how someone was using the phone to do conference calls and stay in touch with customers. Not everyone needs a game machine (or another game machine). Thousands more shuffle and nano are sold versus the Touch.
 
Since the rumor regarding the 16 gb but not the 8 gb phone being EOL'ed got a cease and desist (not this site, macworld has a post on a site pulling info) I'm thinking the 8 gb model will be joined by a 4 gb model and they'll make them cheap while the new phones will be 16 and 32 gb and have the new features. They do this with their computers all the time so it isn't impossible.
 
Apple Corps said:
peter - I believe that you are mixing two different concepts. Lowering prices > creating more demand is not supply and demand BUT an economic concept known as elasticity of demand. Its premise is that a positive elasticity yields favorable economics by:

lowering price
less is made on each unit
so many more units are sold that overall "profit" actually increases

A negative elasticity of demand does not yield favorable demand to price reductions

Supply and demand suggests that scarcity generates higher prices as people bid up the price.

As to the implications for this iPhone discussion........:eek:
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I stand corrected.. You are totally right. ;)
 
atalerico said:
I saw a rumor on here about a special event at the end of June/early July. Have any of you thought that Apple will wait until Steve gets back to announce the new iPhone?
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Given the release of the Pre, I don't think Apple will wait to announce the iPhone. My belief is that they want people to know what's coming to discourage Pre sales. The iPhone may not be available till later, but I do think they will announce next week.
 
AtlasBoy said:
Given the release of the Pre, I don't think Apple will wait to announce the iPhone. My belief is that they want people to know what's coming to discourage Pre sales. The iPhone may not be available till later, but I do think they will announce.
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I think it would be wiser for Apple not only to announce but to release. If people were to see what Apple is going to release, but not have the ability to get it the day-of, they have to wait a month and the alternative of getting the Pre in that time is a little bit more enticing.
 
I couldn't care less at this point. Let me say a few things. I love my iPhone 3G. It is a fantastic device, an excellent phone, PDA, low-stakes gaming device.. the perfect travel companion. 3G speeds are blazing as far as I am concerned.

// rant warning //

However -

Going into my contract I knew that living in Vermont I was going to be stuck on EDGE network a fair amount of time (the super majority). I was not prepared by how painfully disappointing EDGE service really is. I feel like I am surfing on a 14.4K modem again.

For what I do on my phone waiting 50-60 seconds for a page to load is just not doable. Especially when what I am looking for is six or seven links deep. I would love to check the forums on Macrumors and some gaming sites on the go. If EDGE was all that there was, I probably wouldn't be so offended.. but I ride high on the 3G network whenever I travel and the experience is 100% better in my opinion.

AT&T needs to get off their collective laurels and upgrade their network. At the moment I would just be satisfied if we got 3G service in the greater-Burlington area. Apple can taut all their features that they want, including mobile gaming.. but until the rest of us country folk have 3G or better, I couldn't care what additional features come our way.

C'mon guys...

Now if this were to happen it might lessen the sting each month when I get my AT&T family plan bill. I just loooooove paying $30/month per phone when each of us is using 200-300 MB of data each month on the high end. :mad:

fixyourthinking said:
- An iPhone without 3G - just EDGE - unlimited plan $19.99 data plan
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// rant off //
 
OllyW said:
The revenue share ended with the introduction of the iPhone 3G.

The new agreement between Apple and AT&T eliminates the revenue-sharing model under which AT&T shared a portion of monthly service revenue with Apple.
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I think it was more so a question of why pre-3G customers couldn't get FAN than a revenue.

Whether the revenue sharing is still in flight depends upon how you slice the subsidy payments. People are still making incremental payments which funnel back to AT&T. If Apple allows AT&T to make installments on those phone price then a difference in revenue sharing would stop when the phone is paid for. The quirky part of the original one was that Apple was still being paid even after the phone was paid for. Can see why most cell providers would balk at that one. Eventually AT&T got enough leverage to chuck that also. Saddled with those higher costs no way iPhone was going to compete well over the long term.
 
Roessnakhan said:
I think it would be wiser for Apple not only to announce but to release. If people were to see what Apple is going to release, but not have the ability to get it the day-of, they have to wait a month and the alternative of getting the Pre in that time is a little bit more enticing.
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Releasing products primarily driven by your competitor typically leads to quality problems. There are 5-6 smartphone vendors out there. If Apple bobs and weaves their releases and announcements to piss on each one of them they won't be doing what they SHOULD BE doing which is getting their own stuff together.

Puzzling how folks have forgotten last year's exceedingly crappy launch done by Apple. The last thing they need to do is yet another hurry up and SNAFU the roll-out event.

In July it would have been a year since the last phone. Once a year is probably good enough for the iPhone at this point still.

This whole "piss on the Pre" vibe is just fanboy stuff so have ammunition to in the upcoming Pre vs. iPhone talking smack contests. There is no insightful product strategy there. It doesn't demonstrate any sense of confidence nor control to have change your schedule to your competitors.
Contrast that will releasing on a regular, fixed schedule.

Similarly if Palm screws up their rollout and then Apple follows with a smooth one, who ends up with the competitive advantage.

Same thing with Mac OS X. No reason to sync up SL release to that of Windows7 exactly. Getting it right is more important than who is first if the release date difference is less than 2-3 months.
 
I was just getting interested in the idea of a cheaper iPhone that I could justify purchasing. Then my wife called me on our new LG cellphone.

Oh well.

s.
 
i'm just hoping a cheaper phone = cheaper phone plan offerings by at&t. not holding my breath though....
 
brop52 said:
You would think people would know how to resize images for emails but you would be surprised. I'm getting a lot of emails from other medical students who have subleases available for the summer and the next year and they never know how to resize their photos. They are usually about 3MB a piece +3-4 each and I get multiple of these emails a day.

Despite this, I still think that a 5MB limit defeats the purpose of this type of device. I know if they offer a lower price data plan I'd also expect lower than 5GB as it is essentially that right now. I know 5GB is a pretty sizable amount and I usually hover around that for my house internet. Obviously WiFi is an option with the iPhone but if you were going to do that just get a cheap phone service and use an iPod Touch.
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Well, if you get a "cheap" cell phone and an iPod Touch then you are still carrying two devices which is exactly what a lot of people want to get away from.

I'm sure plenty of people would love a "dumb phone" that had a built in iPod Touch but I do think it is unlikely we will see this from Apple.

What I think we are likely to see is a cost reduced iPhone with the feature set of the current 3G and maybe a couple of other bones thrown in.

Price this phone at $99 and offer it with a bandwith limited AT&T plan of about $60 per month and you could have a real major source of new AT&T customers and much more market share for Apple.

In all likelihood a $99 retail phone with contract would be costing AT&T about $300 per unit which I could totally believe they would do.
 
thegaffer said:
AT&T needs to get off their collective laurels and upgrade their network.
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i do really hope they come with a new iphone on monday!!!
Else i will be very pissed off, sold my iphone 1 gen last week and i am damn missing it:(

Cant wait to get hands on the iphone video or whatever it will be called.

Pls steve dont interup the launch of the iphone...:apple:
 
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