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5 lbs. is plenty light.
5 lbs. is considerably overweight for a notebook I'd want for everyday use. On the other hand, what do I need for a notebook to be functional and useful? Decent CPU and display, a full-sized keyboard, wireless connectivity and a USB port. That's about it. Pretty much everything else is useless features that drive up weight and size. By now, you will have figured out what my favorite model in Apple's line-up is ... (Granted, a 2nd USB port would be nice, I'm totally fine with the ethernet adapter).

But that's just me, of course. ;)

Some diversity and customer choice is a good thing.
And Apple does lack in this department.
They some have some gaps in their line-ups:
- affordable and expandable desktops
- a "bigger" MacBook (the MBP's price is pretty steep if you want bigger display and dedicated GPU)
 
But "most" of the public would still be using 8-track tapes if they could still buy them! :eek:

Apple's pretense of being a high-end purveyor of consumer computer goods is likely to suffer if they don't actually sell high-end goods.

Since, more than any other Intel computer maker, Apple is about "image" - one would have expected Apple to lead the BD charge.

Instead, ....

I agree 100%. I stated similar in a previous post in an other thread. Apple has quite often (in history) been one of the first, if not the first to adopt newly, or not quite IEE (or otherwise) ratified standards. In many past examples, they built these into their product line and some were consumer level firsts.

  • Use of a dedicated DSP in a high end mainstream system (okay reaching here ;) )
  • FireWire
  • USB on the Bondi Blue iMac (first (or one of) mainstream computer)
  • 802.11b in the iBook (first mainstream notebook with built integrated wireless antennae)
  • 1024 x 768 displays on consumer laptops (dropping 800 x 600 which was common at the time)
  • USB optical mice on all systems (standard)
  • DVD Read capability in laptops (again not first, but one of the pioneers)
  • DVD Burning capabilities (granted not first, however it was an important and "on time" release of such technology,)


Again, there are more examples and like these many were not first. But most if not all were "on time" and not slowly adopted new technology. There are many innovative technologies I would "love" to see released with these new Macbook systems, but their recent track record tells me that we likely won't see them :( .

Unlike Aiden I actually love Apple ;) , however my needs are telling me to look at the Lenovo W700 (or similar) for my photography business that is increasingly becoming more mobile. I will miss the lightweight Macbook, but I had run into screen size and graphics performance limitations that are making me take a strong look at the MBP 17", and similar sized laptops from competitors.

If the new MBP can provide NVIDIA Quadro range graphics, dual hard disks, and quad core processors, at a somewhat competitive price (I expect an Apple markup) I am sold. If not, I will likely look more closely at Lenovo (or similar) and also buy myself a low end Macbook for my casual "weekend" computing.

I still love Apple (and collect their older hardware), however it is really hard for me to swallow the fact that this company has switched so much attention from their systems, to other (arguably great) products. I had really hoped that the switch to Intel would have made costs go down drastically (which they may do soon), and keep more current with new technology than they did during the PowerPC era.

Sadly, we still have a relatively slow release schedule (actually some systems have longer periods between updates than they did in the PowerPC days), and adoption of new technology is not even close to what it was during the bygone PowerPC era.

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Call me crazy and I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or not, but is it possible that Apple might keep the current/older MacBook style and simply lower the price point of those notebooks to meet the $800-900 price point that we're currently speculating on? In addition, might it be possible that they'll keep the current Pros and do the same (ie. Knock a few hundred bucks off the current Pros as they release the new ones)? That would help meet the expected 12 model-quote that was mentioned in a few rumors and Apple wouldn't have to figure out what to do with their backstock of the current models.
 
Everyone needs to make a living. Got to stretch out those improvements for maximum profit. :p

Haha good point!

As you know, I find the idea of buying something other than Apple abhorrent (I like many legacy Mac users have been buying and supporting Apple products since the early 90s (or before)). With that said, speed / efficiency is super important for my photography work. Without it, someone else gets the $$$ for providing photos in this super competitive web / magazine photography market.

Competition is good and all-together sucks at the same time! :p

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Call me crazy and I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or not, but is it possible that Apple might keep the current/older MacBook style and simply lower the price point of those notebooks to meet the $800-900 price point that we're currently speculating on? In addition, might it be possible that they'll keep the current Pros and do the same (ie. Knock a few hundred bucks off the current Pros as they release the new ones)? That would help meet the expected 12 model-quote that was mentioned in a few rumors and Apple wouldn't have to figure out what to do with their backstock of the current models.
There has to be some way to differentiate the models. Not that you can use hardware specifications as well.
 
There has to be some way to differentiate the models. Not that you can use hardware specifications as well.

Yeah, but they could easily just create a new SKU for the older products and continue selling them. I was just thinking about it today and for some reason the idea popped into my head. :shrug:
 
but is it possible that Apple might keep the current/older MacBook style and simply lower the price point of those notebooks to meet the $800-900 price point that we're currently speculating on? In addition, might it be possible that they'll keep the current Pros and do the same
I mean... look at the invitations Apple sent out. "The spotlight turns to notebooks". What's Steve going to say on stage?

"That's what the spotlight on notebooks is all about: We are going to keep our current models but we're lowering their price point. Isn't that awesome?"

No. While I wouldn't rule out that they keep the current MacBook form factor offering a speed bump, there is going to be a new MacBook Pro. I guarantee it.
 
Yeah, but they could easily just create a new SKU for the older products and continue selling them. I was just thinking about it today and for some reason the idea popped into my head. :shrug:

The idea is not without some valid logic. The only issue is that Apple (Especially Steve Jobs) has made a point about not selling "last years processor" in a consumer level product. Steve can be found saying something similar at the launch of the original iMac, during his keynote introducing that product. In this video clip, you can even hear him discussing that in his own words at 1:24 in that video.

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The idea is not without some valid logic. The only issue is that Apple (Especially Steve Jobs) has made a point about not selling "last years processor" in a consumer level product. Steve can be found saying something similar at the launch of the original iMac, during his keynote introducing that product. In this video clip, you can even hear him discussing that in his own words at 1:24 in that video.
The Mac mini welcomes you to 2006.
 
Huh? Leopard can run on a 867 mhz G4. You're telling me a netbook from Apple at 1.2-1.8 ghz couldn't run Leopard??
Not saying it can't, but there's a lot more to it than just CPU speed. Display resolution is one.

How do you guys know the $800 pertains to the macbook?

Macbook Air is not just a laptop you know. Its an entire new line. Perhaps the $800 notebook will be in the Macbook Air line.
MacBook "nano" is to MacBook Air as MacBook is to MacBook Pro? But if so, I don't see the MBN's specs to be that great...

I do remember an iMac update was to be within these months as quoted by AppleInsider.
November.

I mean... look at the invitations Apple sent out. "The spotlight turns to notebooks". What's Steve going to say on stage?

"That's what the spotlight on notebooks is all about: We are going to keep our current models but we're lowering their price point. Isn't that awesome?"
He'll probably make a big deal about the glass trackpad and the (kinda) unified design scheme. We may also see Intel and/or NVIDIA up on stage to talk about some cool new feature on the notebooks. And if there's a cheap (sub-)notebook ($800), maybe as a "One More Thing...," I'm sure he'll make another big deal about it.
 
He'll probably make a big deal about the glass trackpad and the (kinda) unified design scheme. We may also see Intel and/or NVIDIA up on stage to talk about some cool new feature on the notebooks. And if there's a cheap (sub-)notebook ($800), maybe as a "One More Thing...," I'm sure he'll make another big deal about it.


LOL so true.
It's always like that! :)
 
The $899 notebook (not macbook)

According to some other post on this forum and others, there seems to be 12 new SKUs for the new notebook lines. Existing categories (Macbooks=3, Macbook Pro=3, Macbook Air=2) So we are left with 4 new SKUs if the current product categories and product mix remains the same. Will we be seeing a new product category within the notebook series?

Do you think a mac tablet (aka large iPod touch) is in the works here?

Let's revisit some old patents as early as 2005 which basically has trickle down to the way iPhone and iPod touch works which has been filed on other separate patents on multi-touch gestures.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/05/10/apples-patented-the-tablet-mac/

http://machinesthatgobing.com/apple/apple-mac-tablet-patent/

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/02/apples-patented-the-tablet-mac-part-ii/

The time seems to be almost ripe. Apple has the technology and the expertise to create an all-in-one wonder.

Firstly, about 10 million iPhone has been sold (not including iPod touch) and we are used to how to "gesture" the device.

Apple has ability to mass produced the touch screen on a very large scale, probably saving a lot of cost even for a touch screen that's 10".

HP has been releasing their Touchsmart for a while at a low price of $1299 for a 22" touch screen, including DVD rom, hard disk, keyboard and mouse. If you were to sell a 10-12" touch based device for $899 without DVD rom, keyboard and mouse. Do you think it would be feasible?

The 8GB 3G iPhone cost about $173 to make, the most expensive been the 8GB NAND flash part that cost $23 according to iSuppli.

If the new mac tablet were to be made, I expect that it will be flash based with non-moving parts - means we won't see a traditional hard disk. Most likely the exact NAND flash based drive we see in iPod Touch and iPhone. But most importantly, the idea of a mac tablet will be the ability to move the device around..without loss of data. A traditional macbook still has the old hard disk , but is much more prone to traditional knocks and movements. And not to mention power consumption.

The mac tablet will not be targeted at power users. It will be a different beast from Macbook Air as there will be no need for DVI, USB port as there is will not be an external DVD drive. No movable parts, saves cost. As with the Macbook Air, no user battery replacement. You want more disk space - Apple's Time machine is available at separate cost.

A low cost device for everyday light usage (also which a corporation or institution can justify the purchase) The use will be mainly for light writing, surfing, it basically is what an iPhone will be, but at a much larger screen. I expect the device to have some sort of external docking feature for additional input/syncing and collaboration on a network scale (office, school, etc). It cannot be more than 12-13" because it will be difficult to gesture on it with two hands holding at the edge and secondly not extremely portable (think school children). If you look at the Touchsmart from HP, it is actually cumbersome to put your hand to draw on it..in a upright manner. In the aspect of human interface design, it is not ergonomic. School children would much prefer to lay the machine down or tilt at 45 degree or put on your lap as it were a paper and draw on it. It thereby creates an avenue for more usage of the device.

This new notebook will be a boon for school children, art class, organisation deployment (think Fedex like applications), museum usage. Basically you can restrict the access of the Apps on the machine much like the Apps deployment for iPhone. Corporations have been spending money on large and expensive laptops or desktop for its employees which most of them use for normal email and office apps.

Applications on the AppStore will be able to be used on the new notebook, thereby allowing Apple to reduce the cost of the device, and recoup profit from the Appstore and expanding the capability of the Apps on Appstore. Some Apps require a large real estate space for using (eg. Scrabble, Chess, think board games. ) No one has done an accelerometer device at 10" yet. Imagine the possibilities? Now the only factor in this whole game will be the processor chip and the graphics card. Which determines how fast this machine will be at cruising normal activities. But if we can play games with the iPhone, i bet the processor will be good enough. The only catch here is..will the machine be crippled to iPhone/iPod Touch version of OS X. Or it will be a full blown version?

Why I think a tablet screen will not be available for macbook pro. Simply because the screen quality will not be good enough for graphic work and not at that size (15" and 17) to be cost effective yet. Secondly, professional artist and designers still needs tonnes of space and processor speed(photoshop cache, 3D rendering) and of course and input device like the wacom tablet. A gesture based tablet will not have the precision or speed required. Even a second monitor output is required sometimes for pro user.

How nice it will be, to bring this tablet out, drink coffee, record the sights and sounds of the surrounding, take a cam shot, listen to music. Have movies and music stream at it via Apple TV or from your lecturer's console. Replace your school textbook, notes. All at $899. Keyboards sold separately (Bluetooth only)

I think the time is ripe....very soon.
 
tl;dr. However I really doubt a tablet as there's been no particularly credible leaked evidence of such. Apple haven't managed to keep anything significant under their hat for quite a while now (years) so I'd be surprised if they suddenly manage it now.
 
Far from it!

Functionality is a top priority for Apple. They just might have a slightly different definition of "functionality". For them it's not about cramming as much as possible in a certain form factor. It's rather about providing (basic) functionality as ergonomically as possible. What are notebooks and iPods made for? They are made for carrying around. So yes, thinness does matter. As does weight. They are among the most important factors for making a (portable) device "functional".

Ummmm... so what does it mean when Apple replaces their 160Gb iPod Classic with a 120Gb iPod Classic? How does that increase its functionality? It's a couple of mm thinner. That's all they cared about.
 
Ummmm... so what does it mean when Apple replaces their 160Gb iPod Classic with a 120Gb iPod Classic? How does that increase its functionality? It's a couple of mm thinner. That's all they cared about.

I completely and totally agree. Apple's obsession with thinness has cost the consumer time and time again. Less functionality and performance are the direct consequences of thinness.
 
I can see apple releasing a tablet, this tablet would be atom based and have a dock, the dock would have usb ports to interface with the tablet, and give it a steady platform so you could use it with an apple BT keyboard and mouse.
It would probably use SSD memory like the ASUS and like others have said interface with Time capsule for more space or via an external HD connected to its docking station.

This device would cater mainly to people who just browse n stuff (You would be suprised how many people think just use a computer to Facebook, it truely is a waste of a power machine.

I can see this device working well with a 10" 1280x768 screen
 
so what does it mean when Apple replaces their 160Gb iPod Classic with a 120Gb iPod Classic? How does that increase its functionality?
It doesn't.
It's an economic choice. As more and more people are switching to the iPod touch/iPhone platform because of software features, sales of the classic iPod must have gone down considerably. Sales figures probably told them that fewer people bought the 160 GB version. So unifying those two models leads to economies of scale. Also, they probably can get the 120 GB drives cheaper. 160 GB is total overkill for most people anyway. This is the ultimate incarnation of the "classic" iPod anyway, it is near the end of its life. So there's not much of a point in keeping a high-end version with more storage now. Apple will cease production within a year and a 128 GB iPod touch will be released as successor, probably with next year's new autumn line-up. Flash prices will have gone down further by then, and the 128 GB touch will still be a slight upgrade on the current classic, capacity-wise (256 GB could still be too expensive for the mass market next year).
this tablet would be atom based and have a dock, the dock would have usb ports to interface with the tablet
USB ports are suboptimal for that kind of thing. And the idea of a "docking" station is very, very unlike Apple. I'd rather see them taking the wireless route. But then, I am virtually sure we won't see a tablet announced on tuesday (or in the near futures).
I can see this device working well with a 10" 1280x768 screen
I haven't seen 10" displays in 1280x768. But I've seen 9" displays. They are excruciatingly small for this resolution. Maybe not for you (and me, as I prefer slightly higher resolutions myself), but for a lot of people. I think Apple/Steve have made their point very clear with the Air: We're not going to see considerably smaller displays with OS X in its current form.
 
The Mac mini welcomes you to 2006.

I don't see what point you are trying to get across. At the time of the Intel Mac Mini was released, the Core Solo (base model) system was utilizing a processor that was released that same calendar year. The platform also had the Core Duo, which was far from last years processor.

GMA graphics on the other hand :( .

Had your point of reference been the G4 Mac Mini, I would almost have to agree.

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I somewhat agree with that. However at the time the Core Solo (base model) system was utilizing a processor that was released that calendar year. The platform also had the Core Duo, which was far from last years processor.

GMA graphics on the other hand :( .
The original Merom line is over two years old now as well. It's a capable processor but keep in mind that your processors are attached to your chipset platform a lot more closely in the mobile world then on desktops.

The Mac mini is still effectively a 2006 era computer.
 
At the time of the Intel Mac Mini was released, the Core Solo (base model) system was utilizing a processor that was released that same calendar year.
But virtually nobody used Core Solo CPUs, even when they were new. Well... except our combodrive-selling crippling-specalist friends at Apple...

:(
 
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